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[magraw]

Hi All,

I am starting a new business venture and looking for a web programmer/designer to build an innovative and exciting new website from scratch i.e. strong back end development skills require as well as the ability to develop UI.

The website will have a retail / e-commerce focus.

Initial 2-3 month contract, strating ASAP, with negotiable salary. Paid on a weekly basis.

Please PM me if interested.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Many thanks,
Magraw

[+Seahorsepip]

I can do freelance front-end webdesign/code if interested. This means a template for the site. Basic mockups are free of any charge.

And you posted in the wrong forum part this should be posted here: http://www.neowin.ne...rafix-exchange/

[magraw]

SP, I'm looking for front and back end development - not a simple template for the site. As per my first note. Thank you though.

Other offers welcomed.

[Xoligy]

magraw, on 03 October 2012 - 15:46, said:

not a simple template for the site. As per my first note. Thank you though.

Other offers welcomed.

I find that response kind of disrespectful seeing as you have no idea what Seahorse could of done for you with his frontend skills meaning you would of only needed a backend developer. But good luck with your venture and i do hope you lean some manners one day.

[magraw]

Xoligy - I certainly wansn't meaning to be disrespectful. As I am creating the site from sratch the back end is my immediate priority - so leading with back end development is my key concern at present. If you think this approach is incorrect it would be great to hear your views.

[Kami-]

magraw, on 04 October 2012 - 08:25, said:

Xoligy - I certainly wansn't meaning to be disrespectful. As I am creating the site from sratch the back end is my immediate priority - so leading with back end development is my key concern at present. If you think this approach is incorrect it would be great to hear your views.

Actually creating the back-end and front-end takes two different mindsets to get the best overall affect (which is why most development houses have a development team and a UI team)

Some people are more creative, others are more logical - have a logical person do your back-end and a creative person (such as SeahorsePip) do the front-end. When it comes to the web, design & development are two different things and you'll notice as such that you can't travel two separate roads in opposing directions with the same car at the same time.

Either way - good luck with your venture.

[+Seahorsepip]

Note: You still haven't posted in http://www.neowin.ne...rafix-exchange/ where this should be posted ^^



A lot of people told me exactly the same as you said: "First the back end then the front end", but that's not going to get the average startup company a lot of succes, even the biggest companies start with designs before they make the actual back end, why you might wonder?

Simple answer, the design and layout of a website or software is what the consumer sees and experiences not the back end code, it's not like a consumer notices a lot of speed differences, but they do notice if a feature is designed badly and unhandy.

A example is microsoft and apple hiring expensive designers to make brilliant designs and ideas since those are the main points that make their products sell, and for the back end code they hire cheaper tech professionals in (as example) *Romania since the back end code isn't that important so long that it works fast and good without any technical or security bugs.

^{*Yes Microsoft actually does that, not sure about apple since I don't know the all the facts about that company and never had looked that much into them.}


The first parts of a production progress are ideas, designs, plans etc. A lot of startup companies lack at that point and end up being one of those "one in a million" companies offering exactly the same as their concurrents instead of being better which should be the main goal of a company.

But if you have already fully finished the design, ideas, plans etc and just want a back end coder I'm glad to hear that you atleast did what I suggested, but in that case you should just only put "back end coder" in your request or "back end coder and being able of improvement of already existing design". Since most back end coders I know only like to code something that is clear straight to the point without any need to redesign or design things themself since they simply didn't study for that or find that a hassle.
Most people forget that most back end coders didn't study design or art and most designers didn't study back end coding.


My excuse if there are any typos or grammatical mistakes in this post, I just typed this comment in a few sec because I was in a hurry ^^

[Xoligy]

I agree with what Kami and Seahorse have said, frontend specialise in that area so they will be more imaginative when it comes to the designing of the site while someone that does front and back may not have the full inspiration! Granted there are a few people that can do back, front and eerything inbetween and do an awesome job but they will cost more for there services because well they are going to be doing more work.

The way you need to do your project is to get parts completed so if you had the design of the site thats done and dusted you can look for the area you want doing which is the backend. Personally i think frontend first followed by backend others may disagree, but that way you know how things are going to look and work and can discuss about moving things before they are fully coded in, it also looks good because you can show it to friends, family and investors if you need them. Also if you fell out with your dev and he's only done part design and part code how do you expect someone else to take over because his thoughts could be completely different, he could turn around and say "I need to start from scratch, meaning the project is going to take longer but i feel that if i did that it turn out better."

Anyway end of the day decision is yours im out of this thread, i just found it disrespectful that you said Seahorse did simple designs when you have no idea what he could of done, plus im thinking like Kami & Sea having more than one person doing the project = better results.

[+Seahorsepip]

Oh and did you consider using existing ecommerce software for the backend? all major ecommerce shops use existing backend software, why? Because those software have a way bigger development and get updates based on the latest security threats, if you code such a thing yourself you would need to hire peopel to keep your system up to date which is more expensive then a software license ^^

[Uplift]

Xoligy, on 04 October 2012 - 06:24, said:

I find that response kind of disrespectful seeing as you have no idea what Seahorse could of done for you with his frontend skills meaning you would of only needed a backend developer. But good luck with your venture and i do hope you lean some manners one day.

It wasn't disrespectful, he stated in the thread what he wanted, and someone offered something different, not only that but Seahorsepip isn't even in the area he wants, not even close. Some advice would have been nice, but it's certainly not hard to find someone who can do both front-end and back-end design/development.

Seahorsepip, on 04 October 2012 - 20:58, said:

A lot of people told me exactly the same as you said: "First the back end then the front end", but that's not going to get the average startup company a lot of succes, even the biggest companies start with designs before they make the actual back end, why you might wonder?

Simple answer, the design and layout of a website or software is what the consumer sees and experiences not the back end code, it's not like a consumer notices a lot of speed differences, but they do notice if a feature is designed badly and unhandy.

As we don't know the specification it's impossible to say if this is the case, the front-end isn't very useful if there is no back-end to input data, there are many reasons the backend would be done first one being the client can be trained and start working on it while the front end is being worked on by the dev, if you start on the front-end your left with an empty shell until the backend is done, speed has absolutely nothing to do with it since it is likely both the frontend and backend would be complete before launch.

[Xoligy]

Sorry uplift but you are wrong, calling someone's work simple is disrespectful you defiantly wouldn't like it if i said your designs were simple.

Also you need to update your signature, you have a broken link and image and as someone that's advertising to be a web designer it really does not look very professional does it?

Anyway reply to this if you want but im out of this thread because personally i dont agree with magraw and i think your just fishing for business.

[Uplift]

Xoligy, on 05 October 2012 - 11:18, said:

Sorry uplift but you are wrong, calling someone's work simple is disrespectful you defiantly wouldn't like it if i said your designs were simple.

A template is 'simple' compared to what this guy wants?

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Also you need to update your signature, you have a broken link and image and as someone that's advertising to be a web designer it really does not look very professional does it?

A signature being up to date or not does not question how professional someone is.

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Anyway reply to this if you want but im out of this thread because personally i dont agree with magraw and i think your just fishing for business.

If i wanted his business i would outright offer my services, but i'm absolutely jam packed with work and i'm not in the area he's looking for.

[+Seahorsepip]

Uplift, on 05 October 2012 - 11:40, said:

A template is 'simple' compared to what this guy wants?



A signature being up to date or not does not question how professional someone is.



If i wanted his business i would outright offer my services, but i'm absolutely jam packed with work and i'm not in the area he's looking for.

Yes it's simple you're right, still a lot of work dependent on what for site it is but yeah it's way less work then then whole back end.
Also my main complaint is that he's looking for someone being able to do both front and back end which is only more expensive and slower in most cases compared to having 2 people or more specialised in one of these areas ^^

I even forget to update my avatars btw, not even speaking about signatures rofl.


And I'm also jammed with work so thats why I only do front end work since I just don't have the time to do both or back end work

[SPEhosting]

my company just finished 3 small projects, we are RSPCA developers and also we have a large project for a US university starting around new years .... so ...yea front end and server side no problem!