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I used to work for this *******...

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Subject: Message from David Siegel

Date:Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT)

From: [David Siegel]

To: [All employees]

To All My Valued Employees,

As most of you know our company, Westgate Resorts, has continued to succeed in spite of a very dismal economy. There is no question that the economy has changed for the worse and we have not seen any improvement over the past four years. In spite of all of the challenges we have faced, the good news is this: The economy doesn't currently pose a threat to your job.
What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose.
In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.

However, let me share a few facts that might help you decide what is in your best interest.The current administration and members of the press have perpetuated an environment that casts employers against employees. They want you to believe that we live in a class system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They label us the "1%" and imply that we are somehow immune to the challenges that face our country. This could not be further from the truth. Sure, you may have heard about the big home that I'm building. I'm sure many people think that I live a privileged life. However, what you don't see or hear is the true story behind any success that I have achieved.

I started this company over 42 years ago. At that time, I lived in a very modest home. I converted my garage into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you. We didn't eat in fancy restaurants or take expensive vacations because every dollar I made went back into this company. I drove an old used car, and often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business

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that's funny, because in our line of work, we've seen nothing but exponential growth in the last 4yrs... (i work in the insurance industry... ironically all the laws the dem's pushed through didn't hurt us, just made us more busy with new work and selling more lines of business)

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Someone needs to read Atlas Shrugged. Your former employer was correct about his dilemma but should not have put that burden on his employees. He should not be attempting to convince his employees who to vote for, and should not be threatening their jobs. If Obama gets reelected, taxes will increase and businesses WILL pucker up because of it, but using that information to force people to vote one way or the other is completely unethical.

I agree with his message, but I completely disagree with the delivery of that message.

Also, he didn't say he would gut his company, just that he will be forced to downsize if hit with a higher tax burden. He would have to hire more people to ensure the business complies with new federal regulations and taxes, and will have to make up for that cost as well as the costs associated with higher taxes and fees with cuts in other areas of the business.

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So you said it create more jobs for insurance industry. Right this is what we need lolz ...

that's funny, because in our line of work, we've seen nothing but exponential growth in the last 4yrs... (i work in the insurance industry... ironically all the laws the dem's pushed through didn't hurt us, just made us more busy with new work and selling more lines of business)

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That guy is a straight up ****.

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Yeah, likely eats sleeps and lives his work if he constantly types up stories like that.

Im just very confused at his point thought. Says he likes to work hard and always invested 100% back into his company - but throughout his letter showed signs that he didn't care about anything but his bottom line, and if that was cut he would be on a Caribbean beach without any employees to worry about. Kinda like he would sell the place to get the money he said he don't have to be able to move far away.. and obviously not work himself. 42 years though, think its about time to do that!

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Nothing wrong with an owner of the company addressing issues he believes will affect his employees.

Just like some Obama / Democrat supporters spreading lies and making up stories about Romney / GOP.

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Nothing wrong with an owner of the company addressing issues he believes will affect his employees.

Just like some Obama / Democrat supporters spreading lies and making up stories about Romney / GOP.

Read my posts on facts and math behind Romney's purposals a good portion of what the democrats say about Romney is factual.

I don't get why he'll fire any of his staff if Obama gets re-elected, there isn't one thing Obama purposes that will cost the US government unlike Romney's plans.

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Yay for blackmailing American voters!............. *facepalm*

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Someone needs to read Atlas Shrugged. Your former employer was correct about his dilemma but should not have put that burden on his employees. He should not be attempting to convince his employees who to vote for, and should not be threatening their jobs. If Obama gets reelected, taxes will increase and businesses WILL pucker up because of it, but using that information to force people to vote one way or the other is completely unethical.

I agree with his message, but I completely disagree with the delivery of that message.

Also, he didn't say he would gut his company, just that he will be forced to downsize if hit with a higher tax burden. He would have to hire more people to ensure the business complies with new federal regulations and taxes, and will have to make up for that cost as well as the costs associated with higher taxes and fees with cuts in other areas of the business.

I love that book.

Yeah, likely eats sleeps and lives his work if he constantly types up stories like that.

Im just very confused at his point thought. Says he likes to work hard and always invested 100% back into his company - but throughout his letter showed signs that he didn't care about anything but his bottom line, and if that was cut he would be on a Caribbean beach without any employees to worry about. Kinda like he would sell the place to get the money he said he don't have to be able to move far away.. and obviously not work himself. 42 years though, think its about time to do that!

He doesn't car about anyone.

Let me give you guys some background on this guy. At 22 when I started working for this guy, I was quickly making $60k a year till I was about 24. Then I took a vacation with my girlfriend and when I came back, I was fired. Why? Because I took a vacation. That was the literal reason for me getting fired. Believe it or not, David is a cool guy. Pretty humble. His son tho, Steve? Is an *******.

In that line of work, you have quotas to meet. I always met my quotas, thus the reason I was making $60k quickly. I used to get bonus checks just because, we all did. I though it was the BEST job in the world and it was. 5 hours a day, 5 days a week? Can't beat that. But David gave control of the company to his son Steve, the screw up. They actually offered him $500k a year to stay home. He refused. He wanted to run the resort I worked at because his older brother Richard ran the other resort.

When he came on board, it was all about numbers but then again it wasn't. He was sleeping with the female reps so that they won't lose their jobs and they would get all the good tours. Families from Latin America, Bahamas and Brits were our best clients and they would get those tours which would in turn make them more money. When he decided to fire, it was for whatever reason they wanted. The first time I got let go I was closing at 34%, 13% is the minimum and 20% guarantees you have a great paycheck and a long career. And my VPG (Volume Per Guest) was $4400 and the minimum is $900. I did WELL. But I got let go and so did a ton of other people.

They fired me and called me back 2 weeks later and offered me my job back, at $27k. I had no other choice so I accepted. I left a short time later when I decided to work for myself and I've been on my own since doing MUCH better. The things I could tell you about this company would blow your mind. Trust me, these aren't the people you take up for, they are the ones you shoot.

Oh and I remember after firing 22 people in 2 days, Steve joked about how he just took his boat to the Bahamas and it cost him $4000 in gas just to get there. Nice.

Oh yeah and yeah it's his company and he can do what he want but don't claim you are struggling when you have a 90k sqft house and JUST bought a $400k Bentley.

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The OP had a bad situation happen so now the owner who is actually correct and accurate is an ass?

This is exactly why businesses are failing even the employees think they own the place when they don't and don't bear the brunt if the business fails

But hey tax raises all across the board!!! We'll spend ourselves into oblivion before doing the right thing for the economy and our Country

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But hey tax raises all across the board!!! We'll spend ourselves into oblivion before doing the right thing for the economy and our Country

Raising taxes slightly and cutting spending is the responsible thing to do.

That said, NOBODY is advocating across the board tax raises like you imply. You're arguing a point nobody is trying to make.

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The OP had a bad situation happen so now the owner who is actually correct and accurate is an ass?

This is exactly why businesses are failing even the employees think they own the place when they don't and don't bear the brunt if the business fails

But hey tax raises all across the board!!! We'll spend ourselves into oblivion before doing the right thing for the economy and our Country

Did you read anything I said? I work for myself and make more than $60k a year? Why would i be mad about that? o_O They gave me the training I needed in order to be who I am and I'm grateful for that. That doesn't change the tactics used to force people to fund/vote for the GOP. A guy just killed himself because I he got let go. You have NO idea the emotional stress that job entails. Imagine NOT knowing if that day was your last day on the job and it was for a reason that you wouldn't see coming. NOT because you sucked at it, but just because the company is going thru changes. But I wouldn't expect you to, you didn't work there.

And if you fire someone, why call them back 2 weeks later? They could have just stayed there in the first place.

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Did you read anything I said? I work for myself and make more than $60k a year? Why would i be mad about that? o_O They gave me the training I needed in order to be who I am and I'm grateful for that. That doesn't change the tactics used to force people to fund/vote for the GOP. A guy just killed himself because I he got let go. You have NO idea the emotional stress that job entails. Imagine NOT knowing if that day was your last day on the job and it was for a reason that you wouldn't see coming. NOT because you sucked at it, but just because the company is going thru changes. But I wouldn't expect you to, you didn't work there.

And if you fire someone, why call them back 2 weeks later? They could have just stayed there in the first place.

I've worked at worse places, not all jobs are perfect, we all get over it in our own way.

Raising taxes slightly and cutting spending is the responsible thing to do.

That said, NOBODY is advocating across the board tax raises like you imply. You're arguing a point nobody is trying to make.

Obama has said many times that everyone's going to have to suffer to "fix" the economy, since you don't understand politic speak, that really does mean tax raises across the board, but what Obama has been successful in doing is paint an incorrect picture of those that make money and are wealthy and has somewhat successfully obfuscated the reality that not just the "evil" rich will pay more, ALL will pay more taxes, in one form or another you WILL make less under the Obama plans, your income means nothing

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I've worked at worse places, not all jobs are perfect, we all get over it in our own way.

And I did. I make more than $60k a year, almost double that actually. Never collected unemployment OR food stamps and started 2 companies. Do I sound bitter? Even though you didn't say that it seems to be what's implied. The guy is an asshat and I know it personally. How do you extort someone by telling them that if they don't contribute to your political party they would be fired for "Poor Performance"? How do you do cut someones pay in half and try to justify it by lying and cooking your books? Trust me on this, he (Steve) is an *******.

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That said, NOBODY is advocating across the board tax raises like you imply. You're arguing a point nobody is trying to make.

Obama already has. Obamacare is an across the board tax increase. 22 new taxes (although not every new tax applies to an individual/family).

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Obama already has. Obamacare is an across the board tax increase. 22 new taxes (although not every new tax applies to an individual/family).

That's the only reason it was not shot down by SCOTUS.

However, if I recall the bill originated in the Senate.. So to me its kind of dubious as to how "legal" the law really is.

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And if you fire someone, why call them back 2 weeks later? They could have just stayed there in the first place.

Because 27k is much less than 60k+ a year...

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Obama has said many times that everyone's going to have to suffer to "fix" the economy,

Find me a quote from him that even comes close to saying that. He's said the rich will have to pay more numerous times, including one were he said "Rich guys will still be able to fly there private jets, just they will have to pay a little more".

Obama already has. Obamacare is an across the board tax increase. 22 new taxes (although not every new tax applies to an individual/family).

The tax will only effect people that don't have health insurance, and will ONLY be imposed on you if you make enough money to get health insurance but choose not to.

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Here is what most people don't understand and the press and our Government has chosen to ignore
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This is the cold, hard reality of the business world. To stimulate the economy you've got to stimulate business. If you don't do that, you are fighting a losing proposition. Unfortunately, Obama is very anti-business.

That makes absolutely no sense. No business is going to going to hire someone if they don't need them. If you put money in the hands of the American people, they will spend it, which stimulates business.

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That makes absolutely no sense. No business is going to going to hire someone if they don't need them. If you put money in the hands of the American people, they will spend it, which stimulates business.

How can you put money into people's hands if their employers don't pay them enough or don't hire them to start with?

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Because 27k is much less than 60k+ a year...

Exactly! Smart business move, but don't say it HAS to be done.

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How can you put money into people's hands if their employers don't pay them enough or don't hire them to start with?

As people stop spending, companies cut down the amount of workers, which makes the economy worse. That's why the Gov't started giving out stimulus money.

You do realize that many companies have huge amounts of cash in the bank, right? Do a google search.

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You do realize that many companies have huge amounts of cash in the bank, right?

Huge corporations do but not that many small to moderate business do.

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