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#76 Alladaskill17

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:56

Good, cheating? Screw you, Lance is fail - I care nothing for the 'sport'.


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:58

I couldn't see a decision like this being made lightly and without recourse so if the evidence against him is as telling as it seemed I believe the right decision has been made. Cheating in sport should be punished with lifetime bans and nothing less in my opinion.

And from what I can gather the options to both re-assign the wins to someone else or declare them as having no winner are open.


" Cheating in sport should be punished with lifetime bans and nothing less in my opinion."

Couldn't agree with that line anymore. So, how com Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, etc., still holds any records? It was team mates and other professionals who stated they were a dopers!

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:20

Also don't forget that the UCI stated that those athletes that spilled the beans about USPS cycling team are still under sanctions, they haven't got a single pardon from helping this investigation, only a "thanks you".

i think a new era in cycling is about to start, giving this sport credit and respect, since those involved in this sad episodes trashed cycling.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 13:59

Unless everyone is cheating.



It's doesn't change anything.

This is an excuse often used by people who use exploitable glitches in competitive multiplayer video games. It's okay to do it because everyone do it they say. Nah it still breaks the game and it's still bad to exploit unpatched glitches.

Even if they are all doped it's still bad. And they are not all doped. The top 10 mostly are but the guy who finish last probably is not. Not everyone is willing to risk his life to make more cash.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 14:27

It's doesn't change anything.

This is an excuse often used by people who use exploitable glitches in competitive multiplayer video games. It's okay to do it because everyone do it they say. Nah it still breaks the game and it's still bad to exploit unpatched glitches.

Even if they are all doped it's still bad. And they are not all doped. The top 10 mostly are but the guy who finish last probably is not. Not everyone is willing to risk his life to make more cash.


People cheat in video games because it's easy, people cheat in sports because they become famous and make lots of money, they're not exactly the same.

My bigger point is, if you can't tell who's cheating, what's the point of even having the sport. The only way you're going to keep people from cheating is to lower the stakes, and even then, I know guys who did steroids who did nothing but play in town softball leagues.

Lance Armstrong is still famous, and my bet is that in his mind, cheating was still worth it. Same with Barry Bonds, and as I noted before, Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has admitted that steroids pretty much made him famous. If you built the pedestal tall enough, people will do whatever it takes to get there.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 14:59

People cheat in video games because it's easy, people cheat in sports because they become famous and make lots of money, they're not exactly the same.

My bigger point is, if you can't tell who's cheating, what's the point of even having the sport. The only way you're going to keep people from cheating is to lower the stakes, and even then, I know guys who did steroids who did nothing but play in town softball leagues.

Lance Armstrong is still famous, and my bet is that in his mind, cheating was still worth it. Same with Barry Bonds, and as I noted before, Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has admitted that steroids pretty much made him famous. If you built the pedestal tall enough, people will do whatever it takes to get there.


I think we should have a league for those who want to dope. If they want to, let them. Let's make the league something like what Arena Football was in America. Just this jazzed up entertainment only type of game, where real fame and glory is not had, but only excitement of what is being done.
Then we can have the real sports, with people who are pushing themselves naturally. We can look up to those people, while still getting great entertainment from the dopers doing whatever crazy feats they might do.
I'm not going to tell someone what they can and can't do with their body. But we shouldn't be looking up to people who cheat and lie. We shouldn't try to rationaliize any bit of it. Just because others did, doesn't make it right.

After a little more thought, might be good to actually have 2 divisions. We would have records for normal and dopers, and could better judge maybe if someone is cheating in the normal leagues, by how close their records are with the dopers :p

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 15:12

" Cheating in sport should be punished with lifetime bans and nothing less in my opinion."

Couldn't agree with that line anymore. So, how com Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, etc., still holds any records? It was team mates and other professionals who stated they were a dopers!


Because major league baseball knows better than to condemn people without proof. I could go to the police and say you are a murderer. Does that mean they should throw you in jail and say you are guilty because I said so?

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 15:38

Because major league baseball knows better than to condemn people without proof. I could go to the police and say you are a murderer. Does that mean they should throw you in jail and say you are guilty because I said so?

Without proof??????????

Are you high? :s

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 17:53

Without proof??????????

Are you high? :s


That's mean to generalize people who are high as being this misinformed :p

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 23:36

" Cheating in sport should be punished with lifetime bans and nothing less in my opinion."

Couldn't agree with that line anymore. So, how com Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, etc., still holds any records? It was team mates and other professionals who stated they were a dopers!


I totally agree. And in a lot of cases these dopers are still looked upon as "heroes."

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 22:01

They came down hard and justly ripped away this cheater's wins, but most importantly, his reputation.

Good on the USADA and UCI! They have the guts to do such a thing. Others would have crumbled.

aka, baseball and other major sports.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:43

They came down hard and justly ripped away this cheater's wins, but most importantly, his reputation.

Good on the USADA and UCI! They have the guts to do such a thing. Others would have crumbled.

aka, baseball and other major sports.


Well Lance could effectively kill UCI if he admitted to the doping and what we already know and have "some" proof of. That UCI knew about it and participate din the doping and in hiding it. They stripped him to save their face in this disaster, but if Lance decides to drop the farce, and admit it all they're done for.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 20:58

Well, he is doing an interview with Oprah today. Rumour has it that he may admit to doping. News of him apologizing to the Livestrong staff before his interview is making it's rounds in the media right now. Do you think he is going to admit to doping?

http://www.google.ca...iw=1280&bih=662

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 21:05

Who cares.

After his Oprah appearance, he'll come out with a book stating that he was "forced" into doping, blame everyone else, and come off looking like a victim.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 00:08

It's worth going back and looking at some of the earlier posts:

How is it fair? they had a witch hunt, and he just gave up dealing with their bs any longer.

He's still a hero.

Till I see actual PROOF that he doped and not the tainted "testimony" of other cheaters then it still boils down to jealousy, if the French who took pints of his blood could not find anything and I guarantee you they tested for every conceivable thing you could possibly test blood, then it's still a witch hunt, and Lance just giving up because he's tired of the BS proves nothing other than harassing a person will make them eventually give up

the real results are that Lance Armstrong crossed the finish line first. Now all of these agencies are trying to make up their own version of the results because they don't agree with how the real results were attained.


Now I'd love to think that those members would admit that they weren't being objective; that their personal biases had influenced them; that they weren't being rational in their assertions. However, experience has taught me to expect just the opposite.