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#46 firey

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:19

touch isn't the focus. I don't get how for years people use a computer and think they are pros then an OS comes around that works just as good touch as it does mouse and all of a sudden people go braindead and forget how to use a mouse.


Read what I was talking about. And don't for one minute tell me that Metro wasn't designed with touch in mind. If you honestly think that, then you sir, are the one that is braindead.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:22

Read what I was talking about. And don't for one minute tell me that Metro wasn't designed with touch in mind. If you honestly think that, then you sir, are the one that is braindead.


adding touch of course was in mind but MS isn't stupid enough to make a strictly touch OS with such a huge market. There is nothing touch does that you cant do with a mouse. People just love to cry and its sad that a supposed tech site like neowin has so many people that can't grasp something as easy as windows 8.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:26

adding touch of course was in mind but MS isn't stupid enough to make a strictly touch OS with such a huge market. There is nothing touch does that you cant do with a mouse. People just love to cry and its sad that a supposed tech site like neowin has so many people that can't grasp something as easy as windows 8.


Many touch screens (atleast on desktops) use internal (sometimes external) usb devices to emulate the touch (essentially a built in mouse) so yes.. it would have to use mouse regardless. It's not about grasping it, it's not about the functionality.. it's about the experience. It's about how you feel using something, I hate using Mac OS just because I don't like the operation, same goes for 8 and Metro. I don't like how it feels, and I can guarantee others feel as I do.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:31

Many touch screens (atleast on desktops) use internal (sometimes external) usb devices to emulate the touch (essentially a built in mouse) so yes.. it would have to use mouse regardless. It's not about grasping it, it's not about the functionality.. it's about the experience. It's about how you feel using something, I hate using Mac OS just because I don't like the operation, same goes for 8 and Metro. I don't like how it feels, and I can guarantee others feel as I do.


then use Windows 7 or Install Linux and help them get to 0.5% userbase. Im sure they would like that.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:33

I just received word that Microsoft is hiring Linus Torvalds to head the Windows X project.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:35

I just received word that Microsoft is hiring Linus Torvalds to head the Windows X project.


and now every piece of hardware no longer works in Windows.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:38

Like I said in the other thread, maybe he busted Panos Panay's chops about the touch cover, and all hell broke loose.
Maybe he just quit in a huff.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:40

then use Windows 7 or Install Linux and help them get to 0.5% userbase. Im sure they would like that.


I do use 7, oh and Linux (Arch, with a standard start/taskbar de) as well. So.. yea already doin that skippy :)

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:43

Wow that's so unfortunate. :(

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 04:25

adding touch of course was in mind but MS isn't stupid enough to make a strictly touch OS with such a huge market. There is nothing touch does that you cant do with a mouse. People just love to cry and its sad that a supposed tech site like neowin has so many people that can't grasp something as easy as windows 8.

I use Windows 8 and I'd like to point out that at least on my PC (maybe I missed an option), when in a metro app that scrolls, my mouse will not function like a finger where I can click and drag. I have to use the mouse wheel or scroll bar So I'd say that's something the touch does that Microsoft decided the mouse shouldn't. It's annoying but not a game breaker for me.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 04:31

I use Windows 8 and I'd like to point out that at least on my PC (maybe I missed an option), when in a metro app that scrolls, my mouse will not function like a finger where I can click and drag. I have to use the mouse wheel or scroll bar So I'd say that's something the touch does that Microsoft decided the mouse shouldn't. It's annoying but not a game breaker for me.


Click and drag takes too much effort compared to scrolling. It would be akin to click and dragging to scroll a webpage. No one wants to do that.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 04:33

Something nasty must have happened for him to leave so suddenly like that. Creative differences maybe? Let's face it, Windows 8 is not exactly charming and user friendly. It looks like crap compared to Windows 7.


That is your subjective opinion. Not saying 8 is perfectly 10/10, but it isn't crap and useless and whatnot compared to 7

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:10

I just received word that Microsoft is hiring Linus Torvalds to head the Windows X project.


oh you!

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:17

It's funny how the same people who complained about ribbon and metro are now saying the last visionary has left... And none of this was a one man show, MS has the largest pool of visionaries(whatever you put in that word anyway) of any tech company out there.

As for Ballmer, MS has never been as strong and made as much s under him, they never made as many and as great products under him. It's under him that the visionaries have been allowed to make the Xbox, windows phone, ribbon, metro, surface and soon.

Most likely Sinofskys departure has been planned for months if not half a year, but since they had an internal succession, there was no need to announce it and hire a replacement(MS rarely hire from outside anyway, but raise internally), and he simply stayed on until the release of Win8 and WP8.

As for sinofsky taking over after Ballmer, we k ow Sinofsky is good at his current job, but that's not even remotely the same job as Ballmer, and he likely would not have been good at it, this is something that Ballmer and the board knows best, and they said he isn't no he can't be guaranteed that job. Especially since no one knows what happens 4-5 years forward in time.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:23

Thorott obtained a copy of Sinofsky's email -

From: Steven Sinofsky
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:42 PM
To: Microsoft - All Employees (QBDG)
Subject: RE: Windows Leadership Changes



With the general availability of Windows 8/RT and Surface, I have decided it is time for me to take a step back from my responsibilities at Microsoft. I’ve always advocated using the break between product cycles as an opportunity to reflect and to look ahead, and that applies to me too.

After more than 23 years working on a wide range of Microsoft products, I have decided to leave the company to seek new opportunities that build on these experiences. My passion for building products is as strong as ever and I look forward focusing my energy and creativity along similar lines.

The Windows team, in partnerships across all of Microsoft and our industry, just completed products and services introducing a new era of Windows computing. It is an incredible experience to be part of a generational change in a unique product like Windows, one accomplished with an undeniable elegance. Building on Windows, Surface excels in design and utility for a new era of PCs. With the Store, Internet Explorer, Outlook.com, SkyDrive and more, each of which lead the way, this experience is connected to amazing cloud services.
It is inspiring to think of these efforts making their way into the hands of Microsoft’s next billion customers. We can reflect on this project as a remarkable achievement for each of us and for the team. Our work is not done, such is the world of technology, and so much more is in store for customers.


It is impossible to count the blessings I have received over my years at Microsoft. I am humbled by the professionalism and generosity of everyone I have had the good fortune to work with at this awesome company. I am beyond grateful.
I have always promised myself when the right time came for me to change course, I would be brief, unlike one of my infamous short blog posts, and strive to be less memorable than the products and teams with which I have been proudly and humbly associated. The brevity of this announcement is simply a feature.


Some might notice a bit of chatter speculating about this decision or timing. I can assure you that none could be true as this was a personal and private choice that in no way reflects any speculation or theories one might read—about me, opportunity, the company or its leadership.
As I’ve always believed in making space for new leaders as quickly as possible, this announcement is effective immediately and I will assist however needed with the transition.


I am super excited for what the future holds for the team and Microsoft.

With my deepest appreciation,
Steven Sinofsky

Sent from Surface RT


Source: http://winsupersite....-changes-part-2