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#1 Scorbing

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 15:41

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Source: http://www.cultofmac...le-over-30-cut/


...And Apple continues to make enemies. Read on.

The future of Microsoft’s SkyDrive service on iOS looks bleak today as the company appears to have entered into a fight with Apple over its 30% cut of App Store revenues. Microsoft recently gave iOS users the ability to upgrade their SkyDrive subscriptions from their iPhones and iPads, but until the company agrees to give Apple a 30% cut of the in-app purchases, it won’t get any future updates approved.
A critical bug fix that prevents the app from crashing has now had to be placed on hold. Should Apple’s rules be a little more flexible in certain cases?


When you buy an app from the App Store, or you purchase an in-app upgrade on your iOS device, Apple takes 30% of that fee and then passes the rest of the money onto the developer. That’s been the case since the App Store opened its doors back in 2008, and it applies to every iOS developer — whether they’re an independent game creator working alone, or a large corporation with a big catalog of apps.

So why should Microsoft be any different? Can’t it just pay the 30% cut like everyone else? Well, according to The Next Web, Microsoft has argued that when it comes to SkyDrive subscriptions, the 30% cut should not apply because the service isn’t exclusive to iOS.


In other words, you might upgrade your SkyDrive account on your iPhone to get a larger storage allowance, but you could upgrade to an Android or Windows Phone handset the following day — or never use SkyDrive on an iOS device again — and Apple still gets 30% of Microsoft’s revenue.

Microsoft doesn’t like that, and so it’s trying to work out a compromise with Apple. But as we know, Apple doesn’t like compromises; it’s usually Apple’s way or no way at all. Microsoft has even offered to remove the ability to upgrade subscriptions within the app, but Apple isn’t happy with that, either. And this is where the whole thing gets confusing.


You see, according to The Next Web, “if a service has a subscription option, it seems, and it is not listed in the iOS store, the application cannot, and will not be allowed. That is, unless you are small enough that Apple doesn’t bothers to check. I assume that smaller companies could slip under the radar.”

But I know of a number of subscription services that do not allow customers to upgrade their subscription within the iOS app, and they’re not “smaller companies.” There’s Spotify, for instance, and Netflix.


So it would seem Apple may have taken issue with Microsoft’s app for other reasons. But Microsoft’s not alone in this. Third-party developers who have built iOS apps that access SkyDrive are also feeling the Cupertino company’s wrath. One posted to Microsoft’s Live Connect forum:


Our iOS app “Files Pro” [Link] includes support for SkyDrive using the official Live SDK.

A few days ago our last update was rejected by the Apple review team because of the presence of the “Sign Up” button in the Live login authorisation page. According to Apple the presence of this button violates their guideline that:

“Apps that link to external mechanisms for purchases or subscriptions to be used in the app, such as a “buy” button that goes to a web site to purchase a digital book, will be rejected”


So even if Microsoft backs down here and just decides to remove its SkyDrive app from the App Store entirely, third-party developers will continue to face the same problem. It seems Apple won’t be happy until it gets its 30% cut.


That’s Apple’s call, of course, and it’s been the same way for over four years. No developer or company is exempt to this rule, and so you could argue that it shouldn’t change now for Microsoft.

However, I can’t help but think Apple needs to be a little more flexible with these rules in certain cases. Microsoft makes a good point: SkyDrive users can take their subscription anywhere, so why should Apple get 30% of their subscription fee.


Some companies may bite the bullet and accept it — most have up until now. But at some point, a major developer’s going to have to pull a service from iOS because Apple won’t negotiate. It may be SkyDrive, it may not. But either way, it’ll be the user that suffers as a result. Again.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 19:44

Why does Apple keep doing things that make me want to avoid their products?

Edited by ArialBlue, 11 December 2012 - 19:45.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 19:54

Just use the mobile Skydrive website. Boom. Done.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 19:58

I said this in the article on the front page, why doesn't Microsoft just put the cost of the IAPs up by 30% for iOS users?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:02

Just use the mobile Skydrive website. Boom. Done.


Can you upload as many file types from the iPhone to the browser?

I said this in the article on the front page, why doesn't Microsoft just put the cost of the IAPs up by 30% for iOS users?


In the Apple agreement, you have to offer the same price in the app.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:03

Terrible move by Apple when they should be working closer with MS to stomp out Android. lul wut Dot? Either you haven't used Safari mobile lately or you've suddenly done a 180 in regards to 'app culture'. Unless you are on WP7, you do need an app for that.

Also the same reasons Steam and MS are at ends, so I hope MS remembers how it feels. Ah well, at least Europe is smart enough to drop some anti-competitive legislation on these stores eventually.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:05

Terrible move by Apple when they should be working closer with MS to stomp out Android. lul wut Dot? Either you haven't used Safari mobile lately or you've suddenly done a 180 in regards to 'app culture'. Unless you are on WP7, you do need an app for that.

Also the same reasons Steam and MS are at ends, so I hope MS remembers how it feels.


Apple doesn't want to destroy Android now that Steve is dead. He was the one who took Android as a personal insult.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:06

In the Apple agreement, you have to offer the same price in the app.


Well then Microsoft could charge Mac users who upgrade via the website 30% more to recover the money Apple are extorting from them through the app store.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:07

Well then Microsoft could charge Mac users who upgrade via the website 30% more to recover the money Apple are extorting from them through the app store.

Actually this is a good idea.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:08

Just use the mobile Skydrive website. Boom. Done.


Will not work - how do I upload pictures? I don't believe that you can browse to a file using the standard HTTP uploads since they have Safari so locked down. You can browse to pictures, and maybe some well known file types such as PDF, but it will not work in all cases.

But why should I have to settle? We hear people here on Neowin whine about web sites that have apps, but this is just another case where the app is much better than the web site, not perfect, but better because of the OS integration. But Apple doesn't even want that to happen, and instead, once again, turn their platforms into mediocrity in the name of control.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:11

Will not work - how do I upload pictures? I don't believe that you can browse to a file using the standard HTTP uploads since they have Safari so locked down. You can browse to pictures, and maybe some well known file types such as PDF, but it will not work in all cases.

But why should I have to settle? We hear people here on Neowin whine about web sites that have apps, but this is just another case where the app is much better than the web site, not perfect, but better because of the OS integration. But Apple doesn't even want that to happen, and instead, once again, turn their platforms into mediocrity in the name of control.


In iOS 6 you can upload photos in Safari.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:20

Apple doesn't want to destroy Android now that Steve is dead. He was the one who took Android as a personal insult.


Sure, Steve took it personally. This is just good business. Problem is, Apple, after all these years, still thinks it can exist without MS (and their cloud).

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:21

In iOS 6 you can upload photos in Safari.


After the Surface was released I have been using my iPad less and less, so I have not run into this lately just my experiences on iOS 5. But still, it is not good enough. For example, today I bought a couple of computer ebooks. On my Surface, I went to the Oreilly web site, bought 3 ebooks, downloaded the PDFs, opened the SkyDrive app, and uploaded the PDFs. If I were using my iPad, I could buy on the web site, but then I would need to go to another computer, download the PDFs, and then upload to SkyDrive. Of course, on an x86 computer I would not even need to upload because of the SkyDrive sync app, I could have just downloaded and it would have been automatically synced with SkyDrive, but at least I can still do it on Surface. But I cannot on my iPad.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:27

After the Surface was released I have been using my iPad less and less, so I have not run into this lately just my experiences on iOS 5. But still, it is not good enough. For example, today I bought a couple of computer ebooks. On my Surface, I went to the Oreilly web site, bought 3 ebooks, downloaded the PDFs, opened the SkyDrive app, and uploaded the PDFs. If I were using my iPad, I could buy on the web site, but then I would need to go to another computer, download the PDFs, and then upload to SkyDrive. Of course, on an x86 computer I would not even need to upload because of the SkyDrive sync app, I could have just downloaded and it would have been automatically synced with SkyDrive, but at least I can still do it on Surface. But I cannot on my iPad.


I recently went over to Android after years and years of iPhones. I love the freedom its offering compared to iPhone.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 20:40

Just use the mobile Skydrive website. Boom. Done.


You are very limited in terms of upload file size when using the browser. The Skydrive app lets you upload files of larger size.



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