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Wonder how many goatse images these guys are going to get sent to them?

On an unrelated note I read the despicable domain of "godhatesfags.com" as "godhatesfaqs - Cool, God's an old skool hardcore ethical gamer! :D

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Th3 [url="https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r"]J35t3r[/url] took it down yesterday for a while as well.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/280055775236354048[/tweet]

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Does the US not have laws against hate speech? Westboro members are clearly infringing on the rights and freedoms of others, which shouldn't be tolerated under the guise of free speech.

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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1355661066' post='595395448']
Does the US not have laws against hate speech? Westboro members are clearly infringing on the rights and freedoms of others, which shouldn't be tolerated under the guise of free speech.
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no. hate speech is covered under freedom of speech. I hate what they say but I defend their right to say it.

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more over; who gets to decide what is hate speech or what is actually worthy of hate?
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[quote name='seta-san' timestamp='1355661292' post='595395456']
no. hate speech is covered under freedom of speech. I hate what they say but I defend their right to say it.

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more over; who gets to decide what is hate speech or what is actually worthy of hate?
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It's not actually. contrary to what most Americans believe Free Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want to anyone you want, anytime you want anywhere you want.

You can believe anything you want, and you can say it at the correct place at the correct times. but that still doesn't cover defamation or insulting cops or certain other things.

unfortunately in this case they more or less are allowed to do what they want to do within reason, but no they aren't allowed to say anything they want at any time. and if they go to far on their hate speech, they will be breaking laws. but they're pretty good at walking the line and not stepping over it, where they can be caught, anyway.

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I can't read OP's copy pasta. Bloody hell!

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[i]thread cleaned[/i]

Take it to the [url="http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/857862-official-lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender-issues/"]Official: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Issues[/url] thread if you wish to debate those issues.

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[quote name='HawkMan' timestamp='1355668322' post='595395566']
It's not actually. contrary to what most Americans believe Free Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want to anyone you want, anytime you want anywhere you want.

You can believe anything you want, and you can say it at the correct place at the correct times. [i][b]but that still doesn't cover defamation or insulting cops or certain other things.[/b][/i]

unfortunately in this case they more or less are allowed to do what they want to do within reason, but no they aren't allowed to say anything they want at any time. and if they go to far on their hate speech, they will be breaking laws. but they're pretty good at walking the line and not stepping over it, where they can be caught, anyway.
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Actually atleast here, it does. You can tell a police officer to **** himself. It was ruled on a state level here, as long as it doesn't fall into hate crime, or whatnot. You can say WHATEVER you want as long as you don't threaten, or do it in a threatening manner.

There was a person in Pittsburgh, gave the cop the finger and said "**** you" they were cited for disorderly conduct. He won, because "he didn't do it in an threatening way".

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Normally I dislike Anon, but these guys need to be dealt with.

It'd be nicer if both sides were, but that isn't happening...yet.

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I knew that Baptist was number 1 for many years, but NOT TRUE!

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[quote name='Dane' timestamp='1355668774' post='595395582']Actually atleast here, it does. You can tell a police officer to **** himself. It was ruled on a state level here, as long as it doesn't fall into hate crime, or whatnot. You can say WHATEVER you want as long as you don't threaten, or do it in a threatening manner.[/quote]

Yes, but there are limits to free speech in the US. Even setting aside the free speech side of things, does the US not have laws for breach of the peace? Picketing the funerals of kids is designed entirely to antagonise and infringe the rights of others.

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[quote name='gameboy1977' timestamp='1355669635' post='595395594']
I knew that Baptist was number 1 for many years, but NOT TRUE!
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Huh? You do realize that the WBC has absolutely NOTHING to do with any other legitimate church, Baptist or not, right?

I never thought I'd say this about Anonymous, but in this case: Way to go!!!!

[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1355669868' post='595395600']
Yes, but there are limits to free speech in the US. Even setting aside the free speech side of things, does the US not have laws for breach of the peace? Picketing the funerals of kids is designed entirely to antagonise and infringe the rights of others.
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WBC is very careful to push right up to the edge of what is legally acceptable. They've made pushing the envelope an art form. Oh, and laws like that are on a state or local level, not at the national level, so WBC also picks and chooses what they are going to do based on what the local laws allow them to get away with.

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[quote name='HawkMan' timestamp='1355668322' post='595395566']
It's not actually. contrary to what most Americans believe Free Speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want to anyone you want, anytime you want anywhere you want.

You can believe anything you want, and you can say it at the correct place at the correct times. but that still doesn't cover defamation or insulting cops or certain other things.

unfortunately in this case they more or less are allowed to do what they want to do within reason, but no they aren't allowed to say anything they want at any time. and if they go to far on their hate speech, they will be breaking laws. but they're pretty good at walking the line and not stepping over it, where they can be caught, anyway.
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you do know that rappers advocate the murder of police officers and it's legal right? It's legal so long as what they say doesn't pose a direct threat. We're talking about in America, not Europe.

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[quote name='seta-san' timestamp='1355670416' post='595395618']
you do know that rappers advocate the murder of police officers and it's legal right? It's legal so long as what they say doesn't pose a direct threat. We're talking about in America, not Europe.
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They don't advocate specific targets.

Now would you please go to the capitol building or outside the white house and start a demonstration, I don't care what it's for or against, but do it, and see how far your free speech reaches.
You can't say anything you want, where you want, when you want.

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This is so counter productive. The [color=#000000]Westboro Baptist Church[/color] lives for this stuff.

The only way to deal with The [color=#000000]Westboro Baptist Church is to love them.[/color]

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[quote name='HawkMan' timestamp='1355672175' post='595395656']
They don't advocate specific targets.

Now would you please go to the capitol building or outside the white house and start a demonstration, I don't care what it's for or against, but do it, and see how far your free speech reaches.
You can't say anything you want, where you want, when you want.
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actually I could do that and everything would be just fine.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NEWf_KqOtk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NEWf_KqOtk[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT4Gmtr4VnY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT4Gmtr4VnY[/url]

you completely fail at understanding American's freedom of speech.

First Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

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Just when I'm getting bored of Anon, they go and impress me again, nice one anon, I`ll bet those idiots from the church get a whole load of sh** now :D

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[quote name='seta-san' timestamp='1355672658' post='595395672']
actually I could do that and everything would be just fine.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NEWf_KqOtk[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT4Gmtr4VnY[/media]

you completely fail at understanding American's freedom of speech.

First Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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No, at those and other public locations you can't have "un-planned" protests. you an protest, but it needs to be filed and accepted, and they can deny you to protest there as well.
But you cannot just show up there and start protesting, they can and will tow you away if you do that, they can even throw you in jail for it.

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I know US laws allows these scum bags to do what they do, but there are some things that PEOPLE just shouldn't tolerate.

The Hell's Angels have a habit of preventing the WBC's pickets, so I -really- hope that they or someone else steps up to make sure these lowlifes don't make a mockery of these funerals.

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If "free speech" was truly free, there would be no limits. You could spout whatever hate you wanted, make threats, slander people and there would be no comeuppance, at least not by criminal law enforcement.

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[quote name='HawkMan' timestamp='1355676151' post='595395784']
No, at those and other public locations you can't have "un-planned" protests. you an protest, but it needs to be filed and accepted, and they can deny you to protest there as well.
But you cannot just show up there and start protesting, they can and will tow you away if you do that, they can even throw you in jail for it.
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while it's true that a large scale protest would likely require you to get a permit to cover the cost of capital police... a small protest of a couple people likely would go completely unnoticed. It should also be noted that they can't deny you the permit based on the content of the protest. You could get a permit for a protest and you could hold the most vile, hateful signs, and shout the most disgusting slurs and they can't do anything about it.

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^ I know it's an unfair comparison, but in the UK we don't tolerate that. Yes you can say what you want; but if it comes under the defined limitations of hate speech (generally, encouraging people to harm others), then you can and will be arrested.

TBH, I think it's a fair compromise. Free speech is meant to protect the right of the people to protest against the government, NOT allow hate filled scum a public forum to spread their vile ideas.

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[quote name='FloatingFatMan' timestamp='1355677574' post='595395846']
^ I know it's an unfair comparison, but in the UK we don't tolerate that. Yes you can say what you want; but if it comes under the defined limitations of hate speech (generally, encouraging people to harm others), then you can and will be arrested.

TBH, I think it's a fair compromise. Free speech is meant to protect the right of the people to protest against the government, NOT allow hate filled scum a public forum to spread their vile ideas.
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as I said up thread.. who decides what is hate speech and what if anything should we be allowed to hate at all? It's far easier just to allow the speech so we all know who the haters are.

I've actually argued in the past that Anderw Breivik's massacre happened because he had no legitimate way to get his message out in Norway so he got it out in the loudest, most illegitimate way possible... by killing children and blowing up government buildings. I believe that if he had the legal right to say his hate speech without threat of being arrested that he wouldn't have felt it necessary to do what he did.

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