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[FloatingFatMan]

My kids tidying their bedrooms. THAT'S a miracle.

[Growled]

compl3x, on 25 December 2012 - 23:11, said:

I avoid the word altogether because if you say something is miraculous people think you mean a supernatural miracle as opposed to just using it as a word to describe something highly unlikely or not full understood.

I hear ya. A miracle is too wrapped up in religious dogma. Most people believe a miracle is from god. It just seems whether we call it the unknown or a miracle is just semantics.

[+hedleigh]

FloatingFatMan, on 25 December 2012 - 23:14, said:

My kids tidying their bedrooms. THAT'S a miracle.

Made me laugh and quoted for truth!

[compl3x]

Growled, on 26 December 2012 - 05:02, said:

I hear ya. A miracle is too wrapped up in religious dogma. Most people believe a miracle is from god. It just seems whether we call it the unknown or a miracle is just semantics.

To those who believe in supernatural miracles, this isn't a semantic issue.

[arachnoid]

How you define a miracle depends on your perception on life

An unrewarded kindness shown by another
An event that takes one from a clearly losing position to a victory
An unexplainable event that is used to infer a paticular way of life is advantagous

Maybe those who actually believe in miracles should closely examine what has led up to that event and the thought process behind it.

[Mikeffer]

arachnoid, on 26 December 2012 - 20:19, said:

How you define a miracle depends on your perception on life

An unrewarded kindness shown by another
An event that takes one from a clearly losing position to a victory
An unexplainable event that is used to infer a paticular way of life is advantagous

Maybe those who actually believe in miracles should closely examine what has led up to that event and the thought process behind it.

I agree, it's all relative.

[spinning_quirK]

The original word expressed in the Bible New Testament as "miracle" in post-modern, secular man's understanding really means a sign.

The traditional definition of a miracle, then, is a sign that God has acted to make himself evident and personal to that person experiencing it. Most 3rd-party observers do treat miracles as circus acts though, especially even Jesus' own race, the (majority of the) Jews who witnessed his ministry.

[arachnoid]

And parables I have seen defined as storys meant to teach a way of life not necessarily true to the actual events of history.So if miracles and parables are not truth how are people meant to trust the story teller?

[Growled]

compl3x, on 26 December 2012 - 19:15, said:

To those who believe in supernatural miracles, this isn't a semantic issue.

How do you tell a supernatural miracle from one that's not supernatural?

[compl3x]

Growled, on 26 December 2012 - 22:52, said:

How do you tell a supernatural miracle from one that's not supernatural?

Don't think you can... or are supposed to. Those who advocate supernaturalism usually claim it is beyond explination and comprehension. Frankly, I'm glad we don't accept that, otherwise we'd still think disease was the result of god's wrath instead of germs.

[Calum]

I don't believe in miracles because I don't believe in things that haven't been proven to exist.

[Growled]

I may be using the word wrongly, but I believe in miracles. When I see a beautiful sunset with the sky all aflame in red, and yellow, and orange, I see a miracle. When I see a simple act of kindness, I see a miracle. When I taste some of my wife's homemade chocolate fudge, I taste a miracle. It's not that I believe it's from god, or something unknown and unexplainable, but that it evokes a sense of wonder and joy in me. It's a wonderful thing.

[Anaron]

When most people use the word miracle, they refer to something extraordinary that happened because of God. When I use the word miracle, I refer to something unexpectedly wonderful or marvellous.

I watched the video and I don't believe she was cured because of God. It's easy to think that way if you're religious but there's no evidence to support miracles. It makes more sense that the cancer just simply went into remission. There have been a lot of cases where people are seemingly cured of cancer because of their unique genetic makeup and/or medication.

Calum, on 26 December 2012 - 23:13, said:

I don't believe in miracles because I don't believe in things that haven't been proven to exist.

Me too.

[arachnoid]

Lets for a minuite assume that the person visiting her cured the problem, it begs the question why her at not say an infant in ICU who is near to death and has not yet as herself had the pleasure of many years of life?

[alwaysonacoffebreak]

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