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#31 Detection

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 15:57

I enjoyed candy ciggys as a kid -- and I did not take up a smoking habit. :happy:


So did I and I did take up smoking, but not because of candy cigs..... because of the girls who smoked I was trying to impress and almost passed out off my first toke :laugh:

I'd kinda grown out of buying candy cigs by then...


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 16:54

Explain personal responsibility when we're talking about a product aimed at young children?

Kids don't generally have responsibility. They need guidance and education - not indoctrination.


If they are extremely young, they arent going to be smoking anyhow, and by the time they can choose to smoke, they aren't going to have been using these as some kind of "indoctrination" as you claim. I dont know about you, but I could tell the difference between candy and real cigarettes when I was a kid, and I knew one wasnt for me even then.
Personal responsibility comes in when you choose to smoke or not.

Like the one person sent in, Its no more indoctrination for smoking than eating gummy bears is going to lead to eating real bears, assuming otherwise is ridiculous.
Dont you think its better to leave "Guidance and Education" in the hands of the parents and not the government? Or do you believe that the government should raise your children?

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 16:54

I remember those, never worked all that well though, just really fine ground sugar powder


Your right maybe worked like 1 out of 10 times. as soon as they got to wet from spit it was done. LOL.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:25

If they are extremely young, they arent going to be smoking anyhow, and by the time they can choose to smoke, they aren't going to have been using these as some kind of "indoctrination" as you claim. I dont know about you, but I could tell the difference between candy and real cigarettes when I was a kid, and I knew one wasnt for me even then.
Personal responsibility comes in when you choose to smoke or not.

Like the one person sent in, Its no more indoctrination for smoking than eating gummy bears is going to lead to eating real bears, assuming otherwise is ridiculous.
Dont you think its better to leave "Guidance and Education" in the hands of the parents and not the government? Or do you believe that the government should raise your children?


You must be a bit behind the times on psychology and the effects of marketing. Perhaps you think kids TV networks run lots of ad's for mouthwash and payday loans instead of for the latest toy car or doll because kids aren't influenced and aren't easily led. But you'd be foolish to think that.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:43

I'm almost positive that the city cannot pass an ordinance for something that isn't illegal under state/federal law.


Uh, completely wrong.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:46

If they are extremely young, they arent going to be smoking anyhow, and by the time they can choose to smoke, they aren't going to have been using these as some kind of "indoctrination" as you claim. I dont know about you, but I could tell the difference between candy and real cigarettes when I was a kid, and I knew one wasnt for me even then.


The issue isn't that children can't tell the difference between candy cigarettes and the real thing; rather it's that they make impressionable children believe that smoking is 'desirable' and 'cool'. That doesn't necessarily mean that children will go out straight away and buy cigarettes but it does shape their impression of smoking. There are so many different types of sweets to make that there really is no need for companies to model products on incredibly unhealthy habits. And for the record, I believe it's just as inappropriate to market toy guns and fake knives to children as well.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:53

Just another case of lazy parenting. Kids should be able to have jelly bean crackpipes if they want, if the parents do their jobs the kids wont move on to real crackpipes.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:57

Another reason why smoking on films and tv programs is now frowned upon to say the least,as it provides both advertising and motivation to impresionable minds.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 19:10

The issue isn't that children can't tell the difference between candy cigarettes and the real thing; rather it's that they make impressionable children believe that smoking is 'desirable' and 'cool'. That doesn't necessarily mean that children will go out straight away and buy cigarettes but it does shape their impression of smoking. There are so many different types of sweets to make that there really is no need for companies to model products on incredibly unhealthy habits. And for the record, I believe it's just as inappropriate to market toy guns and fake knives to children as well.


Utterly false. Again, just like someone else earlier, I enjoyed candy cigarettes, licorice pipes, gum cigars, etc as a kid and never in my life have I ever even tried smoking. Not once. To say that these products make you want to smoke is just silly.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 19:20

I don't know which is more sad....
.. a ban on candy just because it appears to look like something else
.. or the fact that they have a "candy police" to enforce such a thing.


Or the fact that adults think making candies look like cigarettes or chewing tobacco is a good idea.

Kids don't care. They buy the cigarette candies cause they are good. They could look like **** and kids would buy them.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 19:25

It's such a sad little world we live in. We have candy police now.


And we have candy cigarettes. Both are sad imo.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 19:55

You must be a bit behind the times on psychology and the effects of marketing. Perhaps you think kids TV networks run lots of ad's for mouthwash and payday loans instead of for the latest toy car or doll because kids aren't influenced and aren't easily led. But you'd be foolish to think that.


Thank you! A voice of reason!

Utterly false. Again, just like someone else earlier, I enjoyed candy cigarettes, licorice pipes, gum cigars, etc as a kid and never in my life have I ever even tried smoking. Not once. To say that these products make you want to smoke is just silly.

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omg. He didn't say that. He said that it makes smoking desirable and cool. Kids fake smoke candy cigs, immitating the adults in their life who smoke. He didn't say "If you eat candy cigs, you will undoubtably grown and up smoke 2 packs a day!".

I take it no one has bothered to read the link I posts on the first page, second reply?


Internal tobacco industry documents recently made public confirm that tobacco companies cooperated with the makers of candy cigarettes in designing snacks that promoted smoking to children, according to new research.

The study of the documents by researchers at the University of Rochester School of Medicine in New York found that some tobacco companies tolerated trademark infringement and granted confectioners permission to sell candy that used cigarette pack designs.

Industry documents made public in 1998 as part of a lawsuit settlement with the state of Minnesota form the basis of three reports published this week in the British Medical Journal.



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Posted 27 December 2012 - 20:15

You must be a bit behind the times on psychology and the effects of marketing. Perhaps you think kids TV networks run lots of ad's for mouthwash and payday loans instead of for the latest toy car or doll because kids aren't influenced and aren't easily led. But you'd be foolish to think that.


Possibly, since I am not a psychologist, I assume you are?
I don't see any advertisements for candy cigarettes on TV, and ultimately its up to the parents to buy that new car or doll so the comparison is kind of poor at best. If you feel your children cannot tell the difference between candy cigarettes and real ones, perhaps sit down with them and explain it.
Again, do you feel its up to the government to raise your kids? or you?

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 23:25

Candy? I had real smokes as a kid. Ignore the ventilator attached I just get short winded some times.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 23:43

I'm almost positive that the city cannot pass an ordinance for something that isn't illegal under state/federal law. They can issue a resolution urging the retail stores to stop selling the items, but it isn't an actual ordinance and enforceable by law. I'd love to own this store and have them come in and tell me that I cannot sell a product that isn't illegal in any way.

Ciy ordinances are ment for exactly that. What a city ordinance can't do is make something legal that is illegal at the state/federal level.



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