MorganX, on 06 January 2013 - 00:46, said:
No disagreement with that whatsoever. Back to the start menu for a moment, it does all that it does for people, "within" the work area (the desktop). Not beside it (or IMO, on top of it.) A lot of people find that efficient and/or preferable. Microsoft has taken that away, to suit their needs. Those users can get away with skipping 8, but I doubt they can skip 9. There most likely will be apps for 9 that won't run on 7. Just accept that as a fact for some users and you will understand why some of them are not happy.
When a for-profit company has a monopoly, for all intents and purposes, of desktop computing, any unilateral change they decide to make will have financial ramifications throughout the economy and with millions of users and organizations. In fact, a great conversation (though probably not one for Neowin) is whether or not it is healthy for one company to have that much influence over the economy and information workforce. With such a radical change Microsoft has created years of revenue stream from upgrades, to re-certifications, to training/trainers, IT worker skillsets (goes with certifications), etc. etc.
If Microsoft does this again, many, many, people and organizations will actually have that conversation. During MS' DOJ oversight period, this topic was discussed here and there. This will be very interesting to watch. Blue and 9 will be very, very important.
personally I found the whole "the start menu is jarring and break my workflow" argument a bit of a stretch and somewhat hyperbolic. if you're actually working on something all your apps are up and running anyway. that aside though, it's their right to not like metro on a personal level or like the style. on a purely effective level though, none of them have really given an effective argument for making Metro less efficient than the start menu. with one small exception, the three people in the world who actually use the "jump" lists in the start menu
good idea, but technically it didn't work very well and wasn't used by anyone but a small handful and even then it was only useful in a very few situations, unfortunately we can't make a GUI that's perfect for all the small situations but have to make one that's effective in the bigger pictures and where it's used mostly, and if that means sacrificing some of the niche features, then that's what has to be done.
Luckily Windows 8 doesn't require much in the retraining department, the IT guys should be able to pick it up right away, with a bit of an adjustment to their workflow. the regular users who aren't so set in the old ways are in my experience those who take the shift to the metro ways the easiest and most will be able to pick it right up after the intro tutorial "video". Up until a certain level anyway. the senior users (aged 70-75+) are in general(though not universally) very reluctant to change, mostly because they feel they don't understand computers, they don't want to understand them and they're afraid to click stuff. This is an age limit that goes up every year though, as old people get more and more technically literate, and as the generational shift gets older. a few years ago, the same switch from XP to Vista was impossible for those 50-60+. and in 2001, XP was impossible to learn for those ~50 and many in the 40 range.
of course nowadays kids come out of kindergarten with their own pads and able to code their own games in high-high level building block languages. Actually being able to run their make your game software for their 6-7 year or so old kid was the primary requirement for a customer when he bought a new laptop last year.
It will be interesting to see how much MS can do as they're out from the oversight. We're just seeing the start of it yet, and it takes time to make the massive changes they want to do and the unifying they want to do post oversight.
and I hope blue and 9 will fix a lot of the little nags and bigger nags with modern UI, though I'm happy using it as a launcher and for stuff like Netflix, and tune in and other background stuff. heck once someone makes a decent irc app that can show multiple channels in side dock mode, I'll even use that. but there's little stuff, like when I set up the computer for an old guy(yeah we're talking past the 75+ here
) on Friday, it annoyed me that I couldn't pin a shortcut to desktop IE easily in the start menu, even start iexplore didn't work, I had to specifically state iexplore.exe then I was able to launch and pin desktop IE from metro. for most this wouldn't be a problem and it would have been better leaving him with metro IE. But Since Norways bank ID system used by pretty much all the banks here, for logging in and signing documents and transactions use java-... well desktop IE it has to be.