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Neowin should use Godwin's law to moderate. That way threads like this would never make it past post 1... :rolleyes:

Why? Because you live behind 'closed doors', and don't want 'anyone' to know? :rolleyes:

Hitler would approve and sign you up before you even got to post 1, congratulations, your his new Recruit. ;)

sad to see that this potential big discussion is reduced on the form of a logo/symbol. i absolutely cant stand the tea party and im still convinced that their acting cost mitt the election, but they are right with some things that there are parallels between what hitler did and what obama is doing. some could argue that there have been good aspects in dictatorships, health and education for example, also in eastern germany, but how could you say if it comes in a "nice" form. and if you oppose anything obama does you are a racist immediately.

to make it short: i always prefered individual choice and freedom over some - some dubious - organisations for the mass.

sad to see that this potential big discussion

Anyone who thinks this could be a "big discussion" knows little about Obama and little about Hitler. Obama isn't like Hitler, and his administration is nothing like the Third Reich.

It seems to me Americans ignore actual challenges to fight imaginary ones.

It seems to me Americans ignore actual challenges to fight imaginary ones.

So whats new? :)

If the 'US of A' had actually discovered 'life' on Mars years ago, we'd be fighting another war, along with the needless few that we have already, that is the 'American' way I'm afraid, and who are we to disagree? ;)

It seems to me Americans ignore actual challenges to fight imaginary ones.

The government continually tries to keep our eyes off of real problems but focusing on imaginary ones. It's still our fault, of course, but a lot of people hear so much from so many sources, that they don't know what to believe. If only they would tell us the truth......

Saw some idiot on my facebook complaining that obamas kid get to go to a school with 30 armed guards but they wont send that many guards to normal schools so Obama don't care about your children lol.

I don't like Obama, but he isn't Hitler. Show me proof that he has ordered thousands of people into an oven. You can't, because he hasn't. Geez! You should feel awful just for posting that crud.

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Bush was the closest thing to Hitler in this modern day age. Hes gone yeah, but just a pity that his legacy is having a god damn awful effect on the lives of many in this world, including Obama.

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Ludicrous propaganda.

Comparing a man who ordered the executions of millions by bullet, oven and grenade to any leader in today's western world is pathetic at best.

No matter how misguided their policies are, they are not hell bent on the extermination of a single race- which was a primary objective in Hitler's ideology.

Quite a shameful comparison.

I love this... You want to compare what Hitler did during his whole career vs Obama's 4 years. Obama isn't done yet. Did anybody know what Hitler's plan was before he actually started to go through with the extermination process? (Not a history expert...)

There are things that throw up red flags to me, such as all these stupid slogans of Obama's, and specifically the use of "Forward"...

?The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.? - Adolf Hitler

Comparing Obama to Hitler doesn't mean Obama is eventually going to go out and exterminate people. Obama can do a lot of other stuff with the help of some of the same tatics Hitler used.

To some extent, you can compare Hitler to just about anybody and find some similarities.... IMO, Obama has a few more similarities to Hitler than I would like. But a video or somebody pointing them all out can make it seem like there is far more than anybody else too....

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