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#16 Max Norris

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:21

Gnome 3 is indeed crap but the problem is that Gnome 3 isn't used by more than a billion people daily nor is it the first thing a person sees when they unbox a new PC and turn it on 99.999% of the time.

True, the first thing they'd see unboxing it is the tutorial showing them how to use bring up the charms ;)


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:22

Can add an icon to the start screen if it bugs you that badly, a lot less exclamation marks involved too. Click click done.


No thank you, I'll keep my exclamation marks...and my start menu...besides, ASROCK doesn't even have drivers for Windows 8 yet.

Also, gnome 3 has its issues too. but at least I can switch to XFCE or KDE.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:23

Also, gnome 3 has its issues too. but at least I can switch to XFCE or KDE.

And if you're an expert user you'd know you can change out the Windows start menu with something else, or the shell completely. Even KDE. Just saying.

#19 Elliot B.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:23

The plain truth is that Windows 8 suffers from poor design choices.

Yes! It took me ages to figure out how to shut down Windows 8 without using the power button on the system (which, by default, only puts the system to sleep). Ridiculous.

Sure it only takes 30 seconds, but only if you've spent AGES trying to find it.

Start8 solved it for me, though :)

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:25

The plain truth is that Windows 8 suffers from poor design choices.


^This 100%.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:30

I set up my mother's laptop with Win 8, because Vista was having problems (it did well for 5 years though), and forgot to tell her how to shutdown before I left her house. She called to tell me she couldn't find the shutdown and googled it, and made a comment about all the people complaining about the difficulty of finding the shutdown button in google. Anyway, I informed her that pressing the power button would suffice and explained that the power button is intercepted by windows and does a controlled shutdown these days which she didn't know. I also set her laptop to shutdown when the lid is closed in power options and explained that to her, she hasn't had any other problems using the system and she is fairly computer illiterate.

It's strange, because for all the complaints I see, what I don't see is a good option put forth by the complainers. Like "they should have put the shutdown button at this location, in this menu, etc." I see things like "it's a bad UI design" because of the shutdown location, but that's way too far reaching, once you figure it out you really won't forget. I theorize that shutdown is an unnatural function for a computer, and will go away, and that it really doesn't fit any where in the UI any way because of this. Remember all the people that complained that you had to press start to stop the computer in previous versions? And if it's just eating the user up that they have to press 3 buttons to shutdown, you can always put a shortcut to 'shutdown.exe /s" in the start screen.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:30

^This 100%.


I'd go a bit further and call it poor design choices for the different form factors. Hiding the power off setting maybe makes sense on tablets, but applying the same logic to desktop and you end up with videos like this one. And it's just one of many issues it suffers from.

#23 f0rk_b0mb

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:30

And if you're an expert user you'd know you can change out the Windows start menu with something else, or the shell completely. Even KDE. Just saying.


I shouldn't have to use a 3rd party tool or "hack" to do something that was there in the first place. If I'm replacing the shell, why did I buy Windows 8?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:30

Or install Classicshell on it. Then you'll have a menu. And kill the 1st screen thru grouip policy. And kill the 2nd sceen by going to run typing in netplwiz and putting the username / password in. It'll make things a lot easier

Why make things difficult

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:37

I shouldn't have to use a 3rd party tool or "hack" to do something that was there in the first place. If I'm replacing the shell, why did I buy Windows 8?

I don't know, why did you? I can't answer that for you. That's ignoring the obvious fact that you still have access to all the Windows software, etc etc, regardless of what shell or start menu you use.

You mention Linux being flexible as a positive thing, yet having that exact sort of flexibility in Windows is a bad thing. Biased much?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:40

I shouldn't have to use a 3rd party tool or "hack" to do something that was there in the first place. If I'm replacing the shell, why did I buy Windows 8?


If you don't like how Windows 8 works, then did you buy Windows 8?

This has been debated endlessly before and just ends up been a flame fest and this thread is going the same way, this video can't have been posted for any other reason but to re-open the age old debate, about time it was put to bed forever and people moved on from it.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:54

Classic shell fixed most of the issues I had -- hide all the hot corners, bring back start button, voila, you get Windows 7 Part 2.

But there are dire consequences of Microsoft abandoning the desktop, for instance HIG. Windows was always weak in enforcing application design guidelines, and at the moment they don't even exist, so most apps look horrible next to each other, each one goes by their own invented guidelines instead of trying to follow common rules. You can say "but hey, it's all about the Modern UI now, desktop apps should focus on porting to that," to which I say that Modern UI has no place on the desktop in the first place, at least not in the shape it is right now. It's a vicious cycle, really, and I'm willing to bet it will hurt Microsoft in the long run.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:55

I don't know, why did you? I can't answer that for you. That's ignoring the obvious fact that you still have access to all the Windows software, etc etc, regardless of what shell or start menu you use.

You mention Linux being flexible as a positive thing, yet having that exact sort of flexibility in Windows is a bad thing. Biased much?


I think I understand what he's talking about, most users of Linux are advanced users so a common user interface doesn't matter. Windows, on the other hand, is on about 95% of the worlds computers and the majority of those users are beginners so a common user interface is required, making flexibility a bad thing.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 23:05

I don't know, why did you? I can't answer that for you. That's ignoring the obvious fact that you still have access to all the Windows software, etc etc, regardless of what shell or start menu you use.

You mention Linux being flexible as a positive thing, yet having that exact sort of flexibility in Windows is a bad thing. Biased much?


Hey, man I'm just telling it like it is. There's no need to get snotty. I understand I have access to all the Windows software. Replacing critical system files is not stable. I use Windows because of it's stability and sheer horse power. I don't want to be messing with bugs and issues related to replacing my shell. Ask my Uncle that replaced Windows 8's shell with Windows 7's with the hack. It's simply not worth it. Linux is Linux in the end. It doesn't matter what Desktop environment you use. KDE is KDE on Ubuntu, Gentoo, whatever distro. I use Linux as my tinkering and lightweight computing OS. Not my rock solid performance gaming/main machine.



If you don't like how Windows 8 works, then did you buy Windows 8?

This has been debated endlessly before and just ends up been a flame fest and this thread is going the same way, this video can't have been posted for any other reason but to re-open the age old debate, about time it was put to bed forever and people moved on from it.


I didn't buy Windows 8. I'm not flaming. I'm simply giving my opinion on Windows 8.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 23:13

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