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[primexx]

cleverclogs, on 13 January 2013 - 22:18, said:

The fact is, 1) she's on a multimonitor setup making access to the charms bar slightly more annoying on the main screen in front of her. And the OOBE and main instruction for USING windows 8 is to have a go and see what it does when you stick your mouse in the corners! SO, tell her that and THEN see how long it takes.

there's a couple of pixels on each corner that prevents your mouse from sliding over.

[Max Norris]

Tyler R., on 13 January 2013 - 23:05, said:

Hey, man I'm just telling it like it is. There's no need to get snotty.

Wasn't getting snotty; just responding on your comments on how flexibility is a good thing. Except in Windows. You don't like a shell, application, or some other feature on a Linux desktop, replace it! Same argument in Windows? It's total garbage, forget replacing it, bad idea. It comes across as very biased.

Tyler R., on 13 January 2013 - 23:05, said:

I understand I have access to all the Windows software. Replacing critical system files is not stable

Shell replacements usually don't (or at least shouldn't) be replacing system files though, it's literally a quick registry edit to change your shell, the actual software can be located wherever you like. That one shell you're mentioning, if its the one I think you mean, doesn't replace system files, it installs 7's Explorer elsewhere, doesn't overwrite 8's. You can switch on the fly. That aside, it's easy. Two seconds and presto, I can make a console your shell. Or even Notepad. Not that it's terribly useful of course, although there's no Metro start screen anymore, so I guess that's subjective.

I do agree with the current state of third party shells for Windows though... they need a lot of work. (Not that it's Microsoft's fault obviously.) Community for that sort of thing is rather weak on the Windows side, whereas in *Nix various shells are a must unless you you're a console jockey. I did try that Windows 7 shell trick myself a while back.. it's actually pretty decent if you're into that sort of thing, barring a couple minor quirks. Personally, if a user wants the Windows 7 shell that bad, stay with 7. It's supported until 2020, and if XP's any indication, probably longer than that as far as users are concerned... not going anywhere any time soon. Either that or, well, snotty not intended, but the user in question should RTFM or take a few seconds to adjust it to their workflow.

Tyler R., on 13 January 2013 - 23:05, said:

I didn't buy Windows 8. I'm not flaming. I'm simply giving my opinion on Windows 8.

Personally, I somewhat agree with you. I actually do like the new start screen, but it has a few serious deficiencies that I hope they take care of by SP1 before I commit to it full time. My biggest gripe is these stupid videos where they plop down somebody who has zero experience in front of an unfamiliar version of an OS and record it for "the lulz" without even giving them the benefit of at least watching that little tutorial first. Shocker, something's different, people can get stuck. Throw her at a virtual machine running Windows 3.11. Bet she can't figure out how to shut that one down either. Well, safely anyway.

[Deranged]

Oh my gosh people will have to learn something! The world is going to end.

It's funny to me that people rail about adding a few clicks to shut down when you use a lot less everywhere else (once you know the new UI and shortcuts.)

Seems like trolling, whether intentional or not.

[Guth]

this is the only gripe i have about win8, stupid place for the power option.
My mum, sister AND father, all have called me atleast once to ask "how do i shut my fecking pc down!!!!???"
and i did show all three how to do it! People forget about the charms bar

[spenser.d]

It's pretty ridiculous to judge Windows 8 on how many steps it takes to shut down. It's a task most people don't do at all and if they do it, they do it at most once a day, so four steps isn't exactly indicative of crappy software. It takes me one tap or a swipe and a tap to open all of my frequently used programs and they open in a snap. I'd say that makes Windows 8 a success from a UI standpoint.

[contextfree]

Syanide, on 13 January 2013 - 22:30, said:

I'd go a bit further and call it poor design choices for the different form factors. Hiding the power off setting maybe makes sense on tablets, but applying the same logic to desktop and you end up with videos like this one. And it's just one of many issues it suffers from.

What about other PC form factors make manual shutdown inherently more important than it is on tablets?

[Dot Matrix]

Change incurs.

People take a while to adapt to said change.

Internet calls said change a failure, because people don't adapt right away.



Oh boy. What's the purpose of this thread again?

[MorganX]

Windows 8 has some issues, this isn't one of them. At some point someone told her how to click the start menu and select shutdown. First time she's shutting down on windows 8, just say move mouse to upper left corner, then go down to settings. Wouldn't have had to tell her anything else.

[bigmehdi]

If I put aside the issue of the shutdown button, what I've noticed on the video is all the customizations, and the big number of icon on the start screen. So it seems that the owner has been enjoying enough win 8, to put all these stuff.
Also it looked less ugly than I usually think on that big start screen, perhaps the customizations helped .

[Syanide]

contextfree, on 14 January 2013 - 00:05, said:

What about other PC form factors make manual shutdown inherently more important than it is on tablets?

The fact that you're operating the computer with a mouse and keyboard makes it logical that you'd also shut it down the same way (using mouse or keyboard) instead of standing up and or reaching down for the button. Changing that destroys almost 20 years of muscle memory most people have built up since the standard Windows 95 set. It wouldn't be such an issue if the new location of the shutdown button wasn't hidden behind three screens, but, as we can obviously see, it is proving to be a problem. It's just very unintuitive. Even the clowns from GNOME tried hiding the shut down option and had to revert a couple of releases later.

[Guth]

I thought it would be on start screen, beside username, where you click for user customizations.
Thats were all 3 of my family members who had problems finding it, looked first.

[myxomatosis]

Microsoft apologists: "Windows 8 is OK. That’s her brain, she’s using it wrong"

[Colin McGregor]

Tyler R., on 13 January 2013 - 22:05, said:

We've been telling people for 2 decades not to do that! Besides, why should I have to bend over and push a button on my computer? On Windows 7, shut down is 2 clicks away. 2 FRICKIN CLICKS AWAY FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!!!! Not swipe, click settings, click power, click shutdown or push a power button.

its 3 clicks in Windows 7 and 3 clicks in WIndows 8.

[Dot Matrix]

myxomatosis, on 14 January 2013 - 00:39, said:

Microsoft apologists: "Windows 8 is OK. That’s her brain, she’s using it wrong"

Change takes time. More at 11.

[Max Norris]

Colin McGregor, on 14 January 2013 - 00:53, said:

its 3 clicks in Windows 7 and 3 clicks in WIndows 8.

It's two in Win 7 depending on how you've got that button configured, click start, click shutdown, go to bed. Three if you have to bring up that other menu to the side without waiting for the mouseover if you got the default to something else. (I forget, is sleep default? Haven't done a fresh install of 7 in quite a while, never mind using a hotkey for it.)