abecedarian paradoxious Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Source. Users will not be able to alter their cellphones to access different networks starting Saturday. But advocacy groups are questioning the law.Starting Jan. 26, buying and unlocking a phone will no longer be legal in the United States. The term "unlocking" a phone means to remove the security feature that prevents the phone being used on a different network. Once a phone is unlocked, it can work on more than one carrier's network. Unlocking phones is useful for those traveling internationally because it allows phones to work on different networks. The Librarian of Congress, who determines any exemptions to a strict anti-hacking law called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), decided in October 2012 that unlocking cellphones would no longer be allowed. A 90-day window was provided during which people could still buy phones and unlock them. Currently Apple sells an unlocked iPhone 5 starting at $649 and Google sells Nexus 4 unlocked for $300. Mashable reports that the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is questioning DMCA's right to determine who can unlock a phone. EFF attorney Mitch Stoltz said in a letter to TechNewsDaily.com: "Arguably, locking phone users into one carrier is not at all what the DMCA was meant to do. It's up to the courts to decide." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashy Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 'MURICA! Seriously. Retards. +Matthew S., Lovell, f0rk_b0mb and 6 others 9 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick H. Supervisor Posted January 25, 2013 Supervisor Share Posted January 25, 2013 But...why? Who got scared by unlocked phones enough to say, "maybe the DMCA can stop this"? Oh well, at least it's only in the U.S. A move like that wouldn't stand a chance in Europe, but I'm imagining that is due to the number of people who cross borders on a regular basis compared to in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelGraves13 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 It should be illegal for them to lock our phones. Dumb **********ers. BajiRav, Charisma, garwin and 12 others 15 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 For a country that says they believe in the free market as if it were a religion; every time I hear about the mobile phone companies they're restricting consumer options. garwin, Glassed Silver, Lovell and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-T- Member Posted January 25, 2013 Member Share Posted January 25, 2013 It should be illegal for them to lock our phones. Dumb **********ers. Just what I was thinking. How does this help anyone or solve anything? Order_66 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 How can they make a law against the way you use your phone? It's your phone isn't it ? At least non contract phones, maybe the law is only going up against contract phones? Hum, f0rk_b0mb and Order_66 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieakers Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Just what I was thinking. How does this help anyone or solve anything? Helps the lobbyists that foot the campaign bills for sure... -T-, Lovell, Glassed Silver and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysonacoffebreak Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 This. Every time I read about a new law in the States. Seriously it makes my brain hurt already. Glassed Silver 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikedOut Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 How can they make a law against the way you use your phone? It's your phone isn't it ? At least non contract phones, maybe the law is only going up against contract phones? Even if the law is for contract phones only, normally the cost of the phone is part of the contract, i.e. a SIM only contract is cheaper than one that comes with a phone and the difference subsidises the cost of the phone. If you are locked into a contract then at the end of this contract you own the phone so there should be no issue with unlocking it. This is how it works in the UK but I have no idea about the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Even if the law is for contract phones only, normally the cost of the phone is part of the contract, i.e. a SIM only contract is cheaper than one that comes with a phone and the difference subsidises the cost of the phone. If you are locked into a contract then at the end of this contract you own the phone so there should be no issue with unlocking it. This is how it works in the UK but I have no idea about the US. As you can't get out of the contract without paying the termination costs (usually the remaining balance of the contract), the phone is yours to do with as you will from the moment you get it. There are NO laws in the UK that limit when you can unlock your phone, and you can even get the unlock code from your telco most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Even if the law is for contract phones only, normally the cost of the phone is part of the contract, i.e. a SIM only contract is cheaper than one that comes with a phone and the difference subsidises the cost of the phone. If you are locked into a contract then at the end of this contract you own the phone so there should be no issue with unlocking it. This is how it works in the UK but I have no idea about the US. Yep true, but doesn't the phone only become legally your own after a certain length of the contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XerXis Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Sometimes I'm glad I live in Europe, where every manufacturer has to give 2 years warranty (yes you too apple) and unlocking phones will never be illegal. PS: not saying that everything over here is better :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfMart Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 You can tell who is really in charge of the country, all your representatives in the pocket of the corporations. Lovell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikedOut Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 As you can't get out of the contract without paying the termination costs (usually the remaining balance of the contract), the phone is yours to do with as you will from the moment you get it. There are NO laws in the UK that limit when you can unlock your phone, and you can even get the unlock code from your telco most of the time. Agree, this law is just absurd and a waste of tax payers money in even bring this to concept let alone getting this far. Always unlocked my phones from my provider (Vodafone), never paid someone else to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikedOut Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Yep true, but doesn't the phone only become legally your own after a certain length of the contract? Not sure. I have only unlocked my phone once I have the new one in my hand but as you would need to pay the remainder of the contract should you want to cancel early I suspect that you would be able to unlock fairly early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashy Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Yep true, but doesn't the phone only become legally your own after a certain length of the contract? If you don't want to be in the contract, you pay out the contract costs. At least that's how it works here in Australia. Legally they are owed the money even if you don't stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Not sure. I have only unlocked my phone once I have the new one in my hand but as you would need to pay the remainder of the contract should you want to cancel early I suspect that you would be able to unlock fairly early on. I never get contract phones, I find PnG deals have better value even though you have to pay for the phone there and then, which actually works out cheaper than paying for 2 years on a contract most of the time I unlocked my Lumia 710 a couple of months ago just for the heck of it and it was just a hack from XDA, haven't changed operators though but always nice to know you can help someone out if their battery dies If you don't want to be in the contract, you pay out the contract costs. At least that's how it works here in Australia. Legally they are owed the money even if you don't stay. Yea same here, if you want out early you pay the rest of the contract off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyric Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 i'm gonna unlock my phone saturday just for the hell of it torrentthief, Charisma, nvllsvm and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belazor Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I never get contract phones, I find PnG deals have better value even though you have to pay for the phone there and then, which actually works out cheaper than paying for 2 years on a contract most of the time Of course it does, but the point of a contract is to spread the cost of a new phone over a long period of time. Not everyone can afford to drop ?500 on a new phone right there and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_dragen Veteran Posted January 25, 2013 Veteran Share Posted January 25, 2013 For a country that says they believe in the free market as if it were a religion; every time I hear about the mobile phone companies they're restricting consumer options. Were you even reading the same story? The decision may have been influenced by lobbying on the part of the phone companies, but the decision was made by the government. You also may want to review the definition of free market: An economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses. Keyword there being unrestricted. Government regulation and intervention is restriction. As to the story, it's ironic that the same government body determined that Jailbreaking was legal now says unlocking is not. So we can break the manufacturer's lock on the software, but not the service provider's lock on the baseband? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Of course it does, but the point of a contract is to spread the cost of a new phone over a long period of time. Not everyone can afford to drop ?500 on a new phone right there and then. I wouldn't pay ?500 for a phone anyway, but the appeal of a new ?500 phone soon wears off when you realise you have to pay more than double that over 2 year I know you can get free upgrades but to me I'd prefer to stay well clear of contracts if I can help it ?160 for my Lumia was fine and I won't feel robbed when I want to buy something new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikedOut Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I never get contract phones, I find PnG deals have better value even though you have to pay for the phone there and then, which actually works out cheaper than paying for 2 years on a contract most of the time I get a reasonable discount for myself and partner and we also get a no quibble exchange if the phones develop a fault or gets lost, phone issue on a Monday, new phone delivered on a Tuesday. As she always drives our kids around I prefer to know that she should almost always have a working phone. Detection 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCheck Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 You can tell who is really in charge of the country, all your representatives in the pocket of the corporations. [sarcasm]You are just now telling us this. man i had no idea[\Sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotdot Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Give guns to school officers = good idea Allowing unlocking of phones = bad idea Wtf America?!?! BajiRav and nekkidtruth 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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