Jump to content



Photo

Military Plane? (911)


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
60 replies to this topic

#31 theyarecomingforyou

theyarecomingforyou

    Tiger Trainer

  • 16,962 posts
  • Joined: 07-August 03
  • Location: Terra Prime Profession: Jaded Sceptic
  • OS: Windows 10 Preview
  • Phone: Galaxy Note 3 with Galaxy Gear

Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:57

There's clearly no reasoning with those who believe in these ridiculous conspiracy theories. I mean, we're talking about the US government here - an organisation that is barely able to function well at the best of times. If there's any conspiracy here it's that the US government is deliberately starting these conspiracy theories to make itself seem more powerful and effective than it actually is. Wrap your head around that!


#32 OP freak180

freak180

    Mr. GreatDisaster

  • 2,370 posts
  • Joined: 02-December 08
  • Location: Philadelphia, PA
  • OS: Windows 8 Pro 64-bit

Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:58

There's clearly no reasoning with those who believe in these ridiculous conspiracy theories. I mean, we're talking about the US government here - an organisation that is barely able to function well at the best of times. If there's any conspiracy here it's that the US government is deliberately starting these conspiracy theories to make itself seem more powerful and effective than it actually is. Wrap your head around that!

You could at least said off topic before typing that.

#33 TheLegendOfMart

TheLegendOfMart

    Neowinian Senior

  • 9,281 posts
  • Joined: 01-October 01
  • Location: England

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:00

I understand that but is it so hard to comprehend of what I am asking for in this thread? ****AN OPINION*** on what this wittiness said. We have the general public and firefighters talking. I felt like you watch 30 secs of the vid while being on the phone and eating and decided to comment.

I watched most of the video then decided to do my own quick google search and pulled an image of a GREY plane they were talking about that has the blue and red on it like the pic taken just before the plane hit the tower.

I believe hard evidence than some random cut together video of some people talking then a picture of a military plane then back to people.

#34 jerzdawg

jerzdawg

    Neowinian

  • 5,408 posts
  • Joined: 09-October 02
  • Location: new jersey

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:07

Freak.. I understand you like to find videos that question things.. thats fine. but you have to realize the people who make these videos have a very specific agenda. They are carefully edited to give you the sense of "truth". Why show the military plane so many times in between clips? why not just show the actual footage? eyewitness accounts arent always "eye" witnesses. people love to have their moment in the spotlight and when there is a reporter or camera crew around people just say what they think. In the video you can even hear the doubt in people voices as they say words like "definitely". I am sure there are other youtube videos from other angles that will clearly show the commerical airlines (prob the 2nd plane as there were more cameras on the towers by then).

#35 XerXis

XerXis

    Neowinian Senior

  • 5,096 posts
  • Joined: 13-February 06
  • Location: Belgium

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:10

eye witness reports are always inaccurate and contradict eachother. Evidence of that is your own video:

- it had no markings, it was grey twin engine
- it was a big black plane
- it was a black fighter jet

And all those conspiracy theories are stupid anyway.

#36 theyarecomingforyou

theyarecomingforyou

    Tiger Trainer

  • 16,962 posts
  • Joined: 07-August 03
  • Location: Terra Prime Profession: Jaded Sceptic
  • OS: Windows 10 Preview
  • Phone: Galaxy Note 3 with Galaxy Gear

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:12

You could at least said off topic before typing that.


You posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory. I posted about how ridiculous said conspiracy theory was. It was perfectly on topic, mate.

#37 Draconian Guppy

Draconian Guppy

    LippyZillaD Council

  • 15,871 posts
  • Joined: 22-August 04
  • Location: Neowin

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:15

I'm I the only who doesn't care why it happened, just as bad that it happened to begin with!

Posted Image

#38 OP freak180

freak180

    Mr. GreatDisaster

  • 2,370 posts
  • Joined: 02-December 08
  • Location: Philadelphia, PA
  • OS: Windows 8 Pro 64-bit

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:21

Freak.. I understand you like to find videos that question things.. thats fine. but you have to realize the people who make these videos have a very specific agenda. They are carefully edited to give you the sense of "truth". Why show the military plane so many times in between clips? why not just show the actual footage? eyewitness accounts arent always "eye" witnesses. people love to have their moment in the spotlight and when there is a reporter or camera crew around people just say what they think. In the video you can even hear the doubt in people voices as they say words like "definitely". I am sure there are other youtube videos from other angles that will clearly show the commerical airlines (prob the 2nd plane as there were more cameras on the towers by then).

First off thank you for the sane response that others didnt do besides derail and insult the thread. jerzdawg I am aware of those that can edit films and change the story up. Honestly I dont recall saying omgz it was a military like how most people made it seem. I thought it was interesting and wanted to share. Instead I get insulted calling me crazy and disrespected. A lot of people here have no manners what so ever. I try to search comparison shots of the commercial airlines and a military one. Even from screenshots its hard to tell sometimes. I just dont agree one how their opinion is automatically correct 100% of the time as if they were there. I never state facts so how is it their opinion is assume to be a fact?

You posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory. I posted about how ridiculous said conspiracy theory was. It was perfectly on topic, mate.

LOL You must of came from another thread or something. I did not. I shared a video that was interesting to me and you posted an off-topic response. Surely they taught you this in school - Follow directions!

omgz the super bowl is gona be bomb and attack = conspiracy theory

#39 vetneufuse

neufuse

    Neowinian Senior

  • 17,226 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 04

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:23

and when the first plane hit, people on the ground where saying it was a British Airways jet only because they could see the blue on the bottom..... ground witnesses mean nothing, it's like when a crime happens and police investigate.... you'll get 20 people that say stuff even though it doesn't fir the scenerio, and that one person that actually saw what really happened.... but that one person is drowned out by the 20 people who just want to talk....

we saw this darn thing live on TV when the 2nd jet hit, and it was not a military jet... it was a standard commercial jet

#40 jerzdawg

jerzdawg

    Neowinian

  • 5,408 posts
  • Joined: 09-October 02
  • Location: new jersey

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:24

First off thank you for the sane response that others didnt do besides derail and insult the thread. jerzdawg I am aware of those that can edit films and change the story up. Honestly I dont recall saying omgz it was a military like how most people made it seem. I thought it was interesting and wanted to share. Instead I get insulted calling me crazy and disrespected. A lot of people here have no manners what so ever. I try to search comparison shots of the commercial airlines and a military one. Even from screenshots its hard to tell sometimes. I just dont agree one how their opinion is automatically correct 100% of the time as if they were there. I never state facts so how is it their opinion is assume to be a fact?

perhaps you should add more comments to your original posts. Ive seen some of your other threads/posts and you post a video with little to no comment. That leads most to believe that you side with the video you are posting. maybe just add more instead of "kicking the hornets nest and running" (thats just an expression to convey how yours posts may come across). You also have to keep in mind certain topics can be seen as taboo. 9/11 is a certainly one of them. People who live in the northeast NY/NJ/CT/MA/DC were greatly effected by this tragedy (instead of 6 degrees of separation of people who died its about 3 degrees - I only knew 1 person but its very easy to find someone who lost a friend/relative/etc) so videos like the one you posted are not just any old videos to discuss.

#41 Dot Matrix

Dot Matrix

    Neowinian Senior

  • 11,719 posts
  • Joined: 14-November 11
  • Location: Upstate New York
  • OS: Windows 8.1
  • Phone: Nokia Lumia 920

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:29

I don't know what's worse the fact all you got is a meme generator image as a reply or the fact it's wrong.


This thread doesn't deserve anything else. All three hijacked planes were civies. Hundreds of men, women, and children died on them.

To continue this conspiracy BS is insane.

#42 F_C

F_C

    Neowinian

  • 140 posts
  • Joined: 15-October 09

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:29

Two things:

Firstly, not just with 9/11, but in general. Eye witness testimony is terrible. There is a whole psychological field and numerous studies based around finding out how reliable eye witnesses are, and in general they are really, really bad.

Secondly, If it was a US government plan (which I don't think for a second it is), and your #1 goal is not to be found out, then which is far more likely to succeed (in terms of not being found out)

a)Tell a group of Al-Qaeda extremists that you work for bin Laden and you want them.to hijack planes etc. Give them resources to do the task. If all goes well they are dead and there is no trace to you. If all goes badly they all name you as their Al-Qaeda handler and for all they know you work for bin Laden.

b)Get a bunch of US military personnel and hardware. Make an excuse why the hardware is going to go missing and hope none of the staff at the Airbases where the planes were stored say anything. If it was Drones going into the buildings then find some US military personnel who can fly drones who you trust enough not to say anything in the years afterwards. Make up an excuse at the airbase why the drones are being launched that day and not returning. Hope the air traffic controllers don't say anything.

And then that gets even more ridiculous if you think it was CGI.

If people believe it was the government then I see no reason why they wouldn't just do the first option. It makes zero sense to fly military planes into a building where your #1 goal is make sure the military are in no way linked at all.

#43 Torolol

Torolol

  • 3,158 posts
  • Joined: 24-November 12

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:29

lol, i blame this classic Microsoft product:
Posted Image

#44 OP freak180

freak180

    Mr. GreatDisaster

  • 2,370 posts
  • Joined: 02-December 08
  • Location: Philadelphia, PA
  • OS: Windows 8 Pro 64-bit

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:32

perhaps you should add more comments to your original posts. Ive seen some of your other threads/posts and you post a video with little to no comment. That leads most to believe that you side with the video you are posting. maybe just add more instead of "kicking the hornets nest and running" (thats just an expression to convey how yours posts may come across). You also have to keep in mind certain topics can be seen as taboo. 9/11 is a certainly one of them. People who live in the northeast NY/NJ/CT/MA/DC were greatly effected by this tragedy (instead of 6 degrees of separation of people who died its about 3 degrees - I only knew 1 person but its very easy to find someone who lost a friend/relative/etc) so videos like the one you posted are not just any old videos to discuss.

Well I'm a guy with few words. I havent post much besides to replies on the hardware section but I honestly didnt see this coming when I would post a video and ask for opinion. I assume okay it a tech side I should get some interesting replies but instead I get insults and people calling people crazy with stupid images. I feel like I'm on a forum for Disney shows. From the Images I looked up, it does appear to be a commercial airline. I manage to find better shots of the plane from 9/11. Well I guess its best to not post any thread of these events. I like to question things and surely a lot of people here do too. We shouldnt be insulted for having a different opinion.

This thread doesn't deserve anything else. All three hijacked planes were civies. Hundreds of men, women, and children died on them.

To continue this conspiracy BS is insane.

What you said is basically conspiracy bs itself

#45 theyarecomingforyou

theyarecomingforyou

    Tiger Trainer

  • 16,962 posts
  • Joined: 07-August 03
  • Location: Terra Prime Profession: Jaded Sceptic
  • OS: Windows 10 Preview
  • Phone: Galaxy Note 3 with Galaxy Gear

Posted 30 January 2013 - 15:34

Instead I get insulted calling me crazy and disrespected. A lot of people here have no manners what so ever.


You act as if your ridiculous conspiracy theories are worthy of respect, when they're not. As has been pointed out, eye witness testimony is frequently unreliable - we saw exactly the same thing with the coverage of the Sandy Hook and Aurora shootings. Such statements are then taken by people with an agenda and carefully edited to create a narrative.