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#256 Arkos Reed

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 23:28

Android : the only smartphone OS which needs an antivirus to keep users relatively secure. I guess this says it all.

The OS may have some interesting features and possibilities, but the rest is such a mess that it ruins everything :
- Hardware vendor/model specific/carrier specific Android releases, each released when they see fit (if they ever do), with their own specific bugs? Oh c'mon.
- No in-kernel ASLR (and no full ASLR until Jelly-Bean)? oh please.
- Google can't even curate their own app store properly and prevent malware distribution? That one takes the cake.

At work we have both iOS and WP8 phones, they have their own problems (rigidity, lack of real recent innovations and frequent EAS bugs for iOS, immature app store and some lacking features for WP8), but none has as many issues as Android has. Our NOC guys won't allow any Android phones on our systems, and I won't blame them for it.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 23:43

Android : the only smartphone OS which needs an antivirus to keep users relatively secure. I guess this says it all.

The OS may have some interesting features and possibilities, but the rest is such a mess that it ruins everything :
- Hardware vendor/model specific/carrier specific Android releases with their own specific bugs? Oh c'mon.
- No in-kernel ASLR (and no full ASLR until Jelly-Bean)? oh please.
- Google can't even curate their own app store properly and prevent malware distribution? That one takes the cake.

At work we have both iOS and WP8 phones, they have their own problems (rigidity, lack of real recent innovations and frequent EAS bugs for iOS, immature app store and some lacking features for WP8), but none has as many issues as Android has. Our NOC guys won't allow any Android phones on our systems, and I won't blame them for it.


You only needs an anti-virus if you are doing 2 things.

1. You are paranoia like freaking hell
2. Your downloading pirated apps or just apps from chinese or other downloaders like that.

If you use common sense and download from Play Store, you don't need an anti-virus program to Android at all.

Now to the 3 points you said.

1. Samsung delivers some really good features to their Android devices, like the Smart Stay, Smart Dial, Pop Up Play, S Beam and so on to the Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note II. And to the things about bugs. Tell me one brand that doesn't have bugs?

2. Yeah and?

Every top Android devices is coming with Jelly Bean today. Expecting a dirt cheap Android phone to get the latest and greatest release is not gonna happen.

3. Oh noes, some few malwares can be found in Play Store. How many have you heard about that have got malwares on their Android phones actually?

I can answer you on that. Pretty much zero cases.

Whining about that there might be some risks of getting malware on Android is like crying over that you can get malware or virus on Windows lol.

It's simple. Anyone who cries about this malware hysteria on Android is absolutely not Windows users.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:00

Android : the only smartphone OS which needs an antivirus to keep users relatively secure. I guess this says it all.


I hope you really don't believe that. No one I know uses antivirus on Android and no one has any kind of virus. That's just crap you hear on the Internet from antivirus companies and users of other OSes.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:43

Android : the only smartphone OS which needs an antivirus to keep users relatively secure. I guess this says it all.


I know no one who uses Android that installed an Antivirus program...and I know many. Even my mom doesnt have one installed. They also dont click on random crap and download apps from random places. I also personally have never seen any sign of malware anywhere...just the news reports that freak out people who dont know any better.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:50

Simple... it's FUD spread by ifanboys

also anti-virus companies want something to sell...

#261 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:38

First, there is no one that needs to open my eyes, because i really opened my eyes 4 years ago when i started to use and learn about Android.

The Exynos CPU isn't only used in Samsung smartphones fyi.

Oh yean, i have a Samsung Ultrabook laptop, Samsung smartphone, Samsung LED-TV, Samsung Hi-FI Surround system and Samsung Microwave. Does that makes you angry because i use very good products that isn't priced extremely high and still gives us tons of good things?

LOL, so you think my title is bad when you have 'UNSTOPPABLE' as title?

You seems to be unstoppable no matter what proofs or facts i give you. Like the thing about running apps in the background in Android.

I never said it was, but its a Samsung developed CPU.

The fact that you use all Samsung is laughable when telling other people that everything else sucks and Samsung/Android is the best thing on earth, just as bad as the iSheep.

My member title is the DEFAULT member title for someone with this many posts.

I know that apps run in the background but there are such things as process explorers and apps that let you see how much cpu and ram is being used. Apps can't hide from the system using up CPU cycles, if the CPU is spiking while the phone is idle then clearly something is wrong, which it isn't.

The phone just gets hot when you tax the CPU, if you hold it sideways it gets really uncomfortable to hold on the left hand side where the CPU is.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:26

I never said it was, but its a Samsung developed CPU.

The fact that you use all Samsung is laughable when telling other people that everything else sucks and Samsung/Android is the best thing on earth, just as bad as the iSheep.

My member title is the DEFAULT member title for someone with this many posts.

I know that apps run in the background but there are such things as process explorers and apps that let you see how much cpu and ram is being used. Apps can't hide from the system using up CPU cycles, if the CPU is spiking while the phone is idle then clearly something is wrong, which it isn't.

The phone just gets hot when you tax the CPU, if you hold it sideways it gets really uncomfortable to hold on the left hand side where the CPU is.


I'm not telling that everything else sucks and Samsung / Android is the best thing on earth. I'm telling that Android smartphones from Samsung, Sony, LG and HTC have some HUUUUGE advantages over iPhones, simply because they use an open OS that is super user friendly and have lots of great features that everybody can use.

Well, it doesn't really matter if you have got your title automaticly when it fits you really well :p .

Yeah, ofc the CPU will get a little hot when you use it a bit hard, that's completely normal. But it doesn't get so hot on my Galaxy Note that i feel uncomfortable by holding it. Sure, i can overclock my CPU in my Galaxy Note up to 1.7 GHz. If i run some heavy tasks then, then the CPU will get pretty hot.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:35

Android is a very user friendly mobile OS. My mom figured it out quick and she's not the most tech savvy.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:53

It's not that user friendly, every vendor has its own UI and apps, I'm used to using android and I struggled getting to the launcher settings on an Xperia Z because for some idiotic reason they put it in the pinch to zoom gesture.

When you pick up an IOS device you know the score, every phone and tablet has an identical UI.

Sure Android does some things better and is more open than IOS but I find that IOS has the better user experience.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:12

It's not that user friendly, every vendor has its own UI and apps, I'm used to using android and I struggled getting to the launcher settings on an Xperia Z because for some idiotic reason they put it in the pinch to zoom gesture.

When you pick up an IOS device you know the score, every phone and tablet has an identical UI.

Sure Android does some things better and is more open than IOS but I find that IOS has the better user experience.


Can you explain how and in witch way the iOS user experience is better than Android's user experience after watching those videos?

Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 1 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 2 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 3 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 4 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS **Bonus FAQ Edition**
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 5 of 5

iOS 6 The Truth About Apple Mobile OS vs Android
Android Vs iOS Apps Side by Side Comparison
Android Fragmentation VS Apple iOS 6 VS Gingerbread

By watching all of those 8 videos, you will get what i'm saying. I don't know about anyone that have said the iOS user experience is better after watching those videos.

EDIT: Added another video called 'Android Fragmentation VS Apple iOS 6 VS Gingerbread' that you should watch to.

#266 TheLegendOfMart

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:30

Sorry I don't have time to watch all the videos, I watched a good portion of the first one and tried what he did on his phone and my phone behaves the exact same way that IOS did, all it did was highlight the word I pressed on and I am using Jellybean 4.2.1 with the stock browser.

You can't go installing extra apps and then say Android is better than using stock IOS apps.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:33

Sorry I don't have time to watch all the videos, I watched a good portion of the first one and tried what he did on his phone and my phone behaves the exact same way that IOS did, all it did was highlight the word I pressed on and I am using Jellybean 4.2.1 with the stock browser.

You can't go installing extra apps and then say Android is better than using stock IOS apps.


You should watch the rest when you have time, because it's getting alot better in the 2nd video and out from there.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:34

Yes I will, I have bookmarked them.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 13:54

Yes I will, I have bookmarked them.


I added another video called 'Android Fragmentation VS Apple iOS 6 VS Gingerbread' in my post where i posted the videos that you should watch to.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 19:26

Can you explain how and in witch way the iOS user experience is better than Android's user experience after watching those videos?

Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 1 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 2 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 3 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 4 of 5
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS **Bonus FAQ Edition**
Android Vs iOS The Truth about Apple and Google's OS Part 5 of 5

iOS 6 The Truth About Apple Mobile OS vs Android
Android Vs iOS Apps Side by Side Comparison
Android Fragmentation VS Apple iOS 6 VS Gingerbread

By watching all of those 8 videos, you will get what i'm saying. I don't know about anyone that have said the iOS user experience is better after watching those videos.

EDIT: Added another video called 'Android Fragmentation VS Apple iOS 6 VS Gingerbread' that you should watch to.


http://www.neowin.ne...t__p__595507994



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