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[Hum]

A team of researchers led by Melba Ketchum, a Texas veterinarian, claims to have not only conclusively proven the existence of Bigfoot through genetic testing, but also that the mysterious monster is a half-human hybrid, the result of mating with modern human females about 15,000 years ago.

Ketchum’s work — which had been delayed for years because no peer-reviewed scientific journal would accept her study — was finally published yesterday in something called the “DeNovo Scientific Journal.”

There’s been much discussion about the dubious validity of the study; the fact that it was rejected by mainstream science journals and instead self-published in a “science journal” and web site created specifically for that purpose raised many eyebrows.

Ketchum sees her research as an important first step in obtaining legal status for Bigfoot, which she believes are an undiscovered Native American population. Ketchum issued a statement demanding that the U.S. “Government at all levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their physical and cultural differences a ‘license’ to hunt, trap, or kill them.”

Ketchum believes that “The Sasquatch people are more like us than they are different. The Sasquatch people have their own language, traditions, and rituals. They live in family units, they order their lives according to the laws of their people, and they bury their dead. Yet the Sasquatch people are captivating because of their physical, genetic, and cultural differences. Sadly, these special traits also make them uniquely vulnerable to those who would see in their unusual lifestyle or appearance a justification to harass, trap, or even kill them. Your compassion and understanding will be vital to protect the Sasquatch people.”

Ketchum’s complaint — echoed by many on the Bigfoot and paranormal fields — that closed-minded scientists refuse to look at her evidence because they are afraid of its implications is absurd. If and when hard evidence is offered for Bigfoot, scientists will be scrambling to investigate and research this amazing scientific breakthrough.

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Ketchum’s work — which had been delayed for years because no peer-reviewed scientific journal would accept her study — was finally published yesterday in something called the “DeNovo Scientific Journal.”

Gee, I wonder why?

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Growled, on 18 February 2013 - 00:54, said:

Gee, I wonder why?

Because of this: "Ketchum sees her research as an important first step in obtaining legal status for Bigfoot, which she believes are an undiscovered Native American population.".

[Hum]

Not very 'scientific' to not look at the evidence.

A lot of people will have egg on their faces should this unknown primate be captured.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Without peer-review scientific research is meaningless. And if I recall correctly in order to get this paper published they had to actually buy a scientific journal and rename it, so this one doesn't pass the sniff-test.

Hum, on 18 February 2013 - 01:03, said:

Not very 'scientific' to not look at the evidence.

Scientists are willing to look at the evidence but it has to meet certain criteria, which this research clearly didn't.

PS - This should be in the conspiracy section.

[Hum]

^ Why ? No one is conspiring unless you say the science community is.

Cryptozoology is a legitimate study, and it would not be the first time an unknown creature was found to be quite real.

If DNA isn't worth examining, I don't know what is.

[Growled]

How do we know this DNA evidence is real?

[Hum]

^ How about the experts look at it ?

The scientific thing to do is track this down and prove or disprove it one way or another.

Assuming that something can't possibly exist is the worst kind of 'science'.

[Ambroos]

I honestly find it hard to believe there could ever be an undiscovered animal of this size living in the US, even less in a population of "family units". How can things of probably near-human size just live in a place undiscovered, without ever travelling to inhabited areas.

Seriously, the people who believe in stuff like this should be classified with people who don't believe in evolution. I think we should call those people "ignorant fools" or something similar

[Hum]

^ Only fools ignore possible evidence.

So-called bigfoots have been seen in inhabited areas.

They tend to live as far apart from humans as they can -- which seems very sensible.

And because something doesn't neatly fit into the theory of 'evolution' is no reason to not take a look at it.

Nearly 2,500 years ago an expedition from the Phoenician merchant city of Carthage to western coasts of Africa accidentally discovered a group of wild gorillas. Upon first encountering gorillas, African locals shared their name for the great ape with him – the rough translation of which meant "hairy person".

Many ancient explorers and African tribes have described gorillas as primitive hairy people. They have also been referred to as anthropoid or "man-like" apes.

During the sixteenth century an English sailor by the name of Andrew Battel was captured by the Portuguese in West Africa. He spoke of two man-like apes (today easily recognized as chimpanzees & gorillas) that would visit the campfire when it was unattended.

During the 1600s very little was known about apes and scientific literature often confused the greater apes with pygmy tribesmen.

In 1860 an explorer named Du Chaillu described the gorilla as a bloodthirsty forest monster that is willing to attack any human beings. Author Alfred Brehm discounted Du Chaillu’s claim in the 1876 book, Thierleben (Animal Life).

The mountain gorilla was first discovered by a German officer, named Captain Robert von Beringe in 1902. Prior to this time, only lowland gorillas were known to exist. The mountain gorilla subspecies name is derived from Captain Robert von Beringe’s last name (Gorilla beringei beringei).

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Another reason this thread is full of Bigfoot Dung

Hum, on 18 February 2013 - 00:48, said:

Ketchum’s work — which had been delayed for years because no peer-reviewed scientific journal would accept her study — was finally published yesterday in something called the “DeNovo Scientific Journal.”

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Scientific journal?
Ketchum's study had been rejected by other scientific journals. So what about the journal that finally published the study, "DeNovo Scientific Journal"? The journal has no other studies, articles, papers or reviews. Ketchum's is the only paper the journal has "published." No libraries or universities subscribe to it, and the journal and its website apparently did not exist three weeks ago. There's no indication that the study was peer-reviewed by other knowledgeable scientists to assure quality. It is not an existing, known or respected journal in any sense of the word.

Hum, on 18 February 2013 - 01:42, said:

^ Only fools ignore possible evidence.

So-called bigfoots have been seen in inhabited areas.

They tend to live as far apart from humans as they can -- which seems very sensible.

And because something doesn't neatly fit into the theory of 'evolution' is no reason to not take a look at it.

And yet NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE exists for it.

[cropcircles]

http://www.ghosttheory.com/2013/02/15/bigfoot-dna-results-does-anyone-care

Problem 1 “We finally see the other authors, at least. Note that none are academics, but forensic specialists.
Problem 2 "This is brand new journal. Was it launched JUST for this paper? Well, this is an interesting and HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS twist. We do not know what the standards are for review. There are no rules for starting up your own journal and calling it “peer reviewed”. And, indeed, that's what was done (from Sasquatch Genome Project) (Note: Site now gives 403 error):
After this journal agreed to publish the manuscript, their legal counsel advised them not to publish a manuscript on such a controversial subject as it would destroy the editors’ reputations (as it has already done to mine). I have documentation on all of this drama. So, rather than spend another five years just trying to find a journal to publish and hoping that decent, open minded reviewers would be chosen, we acquired the rights to this journal and renamed it so we would not lose the passing peer reviews that are expected by the public and the scientific community. Denovo, the new journal is aimed at offering not only more choices and better service to scientists wanting to submit a manuscript, but also reviewers and editors that will be fair, unlike the treatment we have received.
Problem 3 : The paper costs $30 to download. No academic institution is going to have access to a new journal site so they will have to pay to review it. Some Bigfoot bloggers have received embargoed copies. Bigfoot bloggers. With NO scientific qualifications. I have yet to see any genetic specialists comment on the paper but it’s very early and I expect some will. I have requested access to the paper. – Doubtful News "

[Cheatyface]

This topic. It's about Science in the same way that Honey Boo Boo is about Learning.

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Hum, on 18 February 2013 - 01:42, said:

^ Only fools ignore possible evidence.

So-called bigfoots have been seen in inhabited areas.

They tend to live as far apart from humans as they can -- which seems very sensible.

And because something doesn't neatly fit into the theory of 'evolution' is no reason to not take a look at it.

So much silly, it's hard to know where to start.


Considering how maybe cryptozoologists are out there and the very high quality of photo and video equipment, doesn't it strike you as slightly curious no one has quality footage?

How do we know they live "far apart from humans" what do you base that on?

If bigfoot existed it would still have had to evolve like every other creature on the planet. It wouldn't have just magically appeared completely separate from all other species.

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compl3x, on 21 February 2013 - 04:36, said:

So much silly, it's hard to know where to start.


Considering how maybe cryptozoologists are out there and the very high quality of photo and video equipment, doesn't it strike you as slightly curious no one has quality footage?

How do we know they live "far apart from humans" what do you base that on?

If bigfoot existed it would still have had to evolve like every other creature on the planet. It wouldn't have just magically appeared completely separate from all other species.

Imagination is what it's based on.