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Actually the reason they didn't show it is because after adding 4 more gigs of ram, they need to redesign the whole motherboard and thus the whole console.

Such a late game redesign is very risky to start with since they now have very limited time to test and QnA the new design, and refit and test the production lines before production.

Basically they're setting it up for a potential 1 year failure ala RRoD.

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I love competition to bring us great things, but is it bad that I want the PS4 to blow the next Xbox out of the water even, if only for the fact that it'd make my decision that much easier? I don't want to pay for multiplayer, I don't have time for another added expense for something I may or may not use that often. I just want it to work. Don't get me wrong, I think the 360 has the greatest controller ever, and I like the software layout too. I'm not a hater by any means, I'm just being realistic here in terms of my money, especially considering the recent discovery of all the benefits one would get out of Playstation Plus, if I decided to subscribe to such a thing. I say this also as someone who receives discounts on 360 games and various Microsoft products as it stands too.

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I love competition to bring us great things, but is it bad that I want the PS4 to blow the next Xbox out of the water even, if only for the fact that it'd make my decision that much easier? I don't want to pay for multiplayer, I don't have time for another added expense for something I may or may not use that often. I just want it to work. Don't get me wrong, I think the 360 has the greatest controller ever, and I like the software layout too. I'm not a hater by any means, I'm just being realistic here in terms of my money, especially considering the recent discovery of all the benefits one would get out of Playstation Plus, if I decided to subscribe to such a thing. I say this also as someone who receives discounts on 360 games and various Microsoft products as it stands too.

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Well to answer the first part of your question, as a consumer, not really, I think it's a good idea, healthy competition forces manufacturers to make sure the consumer, or end user if you prefer, gets the most bang for their buck, so long as they're not cutting corners on quality, for now it would seem as we're all in for a treat with these new consoles. :)

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Well to answer the first part of your question, as a consumer, not really, I think it's a good idea, healthy competition forces manufacturers to make sure the consumer, or end user if you prefer, gets the most bang for their buck, so long as they're not cutting corners on quality, for now it would seem as we're all in for a treat with these new consoles. :)

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm just being the worst kind of consumer by wanting a simpler choice, instead of many great choices. :p

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No they're not. If the rumored xbox 3 specs end up true, then the ps4 has a 50% advantage in gpu power. That's not minor in the least.

Oh please. First understand that a GPUs "power" does not translate to graphics output, just don't even try... Even if the PS4's GPU manages to have 4 times as much "power" you can rest assure the new xbox will drive a better picture quality.

Anyway let's just wait and see!

PS. Didn't learn much from the press release but still looks promising. Can't wait for them to show the device and give us a run down on all the features! Will also be interesting to see if Sony markets this as a hardcore gaming or muli-entertainment device!

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Oh please. First understand that a GPUs "power" does not translate to graphics output, just don't even try... Even if the PS4's GPU manages to have 4 times as much "power" you can rest assure the new xbox will drive a better picture quality.

lolwat?

Less power does not equal better picture quality.

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a little off topic, but this post is meant more for killzone gamers anyway... omg did you guys see the video they had for shadow fall? I loved that mutli purpose assault rifle, bot to mention the new interation mechanics.

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lolwat?

Less power does not equal better picture quality.

Point is that, you can't irectly translate the amount of randomlydecidedperformanceFLOPS into real world performance. if that was the case all our computers woudl be running RISC CPU's, which isn't the case. On top of that, we don't know what the final hardware of the 360 is, and it also has some new unknown hardware that's supposed to take a lot of load off the GPU.

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Was 4K support confirmed or we just going off the rumours from the Killzone?

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I don't really understand the big hoohah about not showing the actual console, the spec's and the controller are the two most important aspects of the console. The spec's to let you know how it will perform and what to expect graphic wise and the controller which is the primary method of interaction with the console. I don't really care what the case looks like, as others have mentioned the Xbox 1 and the 360 are not exactly going to win any design awards as they were hideous lumps of cheap plastic, the slim is a lot better and the design has come togeather, but out of the two the PS3 has always looked better.

As for the spec's themselves, it doesn't really matter, both the Xbox and the PS4 will be roughly the same, they were in my eyes when running games on each. The only thing i would want to see is more RAM (check) as i believe this will help games like skyrim and GTA to have more assets/items on screen at any one time leading to a more believable and livable world. The other thing i would like to see is true HD 1080P resolution from games, get rid of some of the jaggered edges and just makes things a lot sharper, it's the one difference i can tell straight away from using a PC to a console.

The rest i don't really care, they will both do Wii type movement, they will both be roughly the same graphics wise, they will both do the same thing online wise.

Although i would say as a gold subscriber im very annoyed to get three or four adverts when switching on my xbox and going to the dash. If im paying for the service i shouldnt see ad's, loads of lovefilm and other crap on startup, it wouldn't be so bad if it was adverts for new games, but the rest is absolute crap. They should either go the ad way where live is suplimented by adverts or if you pay for gold it removes the adverts.

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I love competition to bring us great things, but is it bad that I want the PS4 to blow the next Xbox out of the water even, if only for the fact that it'd make my decision that much easier? I don't want to pay for multiplayer, I don't have time for another added expense for something I may or may not use that often. I just want it to work. Don't get me wrong, I think the 360 has the greatest controller ever, and I like the software layout too. I'm not a hater by any means, I'm just being realistic here in terms of my money, especially considering the recent discovery of all the benefits one would get out of Playstation Plus, if I decided to subscribe to such a thing. I say this also as someone who receives discounts on 360 games and various Microsoft products as it stands too.

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Hmm kinda funny but doesn't take into account launch price difference and console updates over the years. (499 vs 299)

I don't really understand the big hoohah about not showing the actual console, the spec's and the controller are the two most important aspects of the console. The spec's to let you know how it will perform and what to expect graphic wise and the controller which is the primary method of interaction with the console. I don't really care what the case looks like, as others have mentioned the Xbox 1 and the 360 are not exactly going to win any design awards as they were hideous lumps of cheap plastic, the slim is a lot better and the design has come togeather, but out of the two the PS3 has always looked better.

As for the spec's themselves, it doesn't really matter, both the Xbox and the PS4 will be roughly the same, they were in my eyes when running games on each. The only thing i would want to see is more RAM (check) as i believe this will help games like skyrim and GTA to have more assets/items on screen at any one time leading to a more believable and livable world. The other thing i would like to see is true HD 1080P resolution from games, get rid of some of the jaggered edges and just makes things a lot sharper, it's the one difference i can tell straight away from using a PC to a console.

The rest i don't really care, they will both do Wii type movement, they will both be roughly the same graphics wise, they will both do the same thing online wise.

Although i would say as a gold subscriber im very annoyed to get three or four adverts when switching on my xbox and going to the dash. If im paying for the service i shouldnt see ad's, loads of lovefilm and other crap on startup, it wouldn't be so bad if it was adverts for new games, but the rest is absolute crap. They should either go the ad way where live is suplimented by adverts or if you pay for gold it removes the adverts.

PS3 has always looked better? only if you like barbecue grills. The first Xbox 360 design is now almost iconic whereas first PS3 was just generic sony design. It is a matter of opinion though so no point going back and forth.

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You're not going to be forced to use FB or Twitter or anything else.

You'll be able to sign into facebook and share stuff but it isn't going to be mandatory.

Besides, there are plenty of TVs that support Facebook and Twitter (SAMSUNG's Smart TVs come to mind - my mother has the 40" model); however, I don't know of any that require it - not even the Asia-only models.

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I think its because of a last minute spec change. I think they saw the rumoured next xbox ram amount and upped theres at the last minute.

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Hmm kinda funny but doesn't take into account launch price difference and console updates over the years. (499 vs 299)

If you've been paying for Gold since 2006, you've spent ~$300 right there.

PS3 has always looked better? only if you like barbecue grills. The first Xbox 360 design is now almost iconic whereas first PS3 was just generic sony design. It is a matter of opinion though so no point going back and forth.

The first 360 is iconic for the red ring that appeared on the front of it. Oh, and the Fisher Price designed hard drives.

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The first 360 is iconic for the red ring that appeared on the front of it. Oh, and the Fisher Price designed hard drives.

User friendly design is now fisher price ?... WTF

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At the end of the day I think it's worth mentioning, but it's easily justifiable why 8 months before release they're either

a) Not showing all their cards

b) The design still isn't final

People have mentioned that the 8GB of GDDR5 is last minute, but what you have to remember is it's a privilege to live in today's internet world where there aren't really any surprises any more and the gaming world is leak tastic. However, not everything leaked can be taken as fact, especially when it's not picture/video based evidence.

It's fun to discuss leaks, but ultimately they bias actual unveils. We're either sitting with a checklist against prior leaks ticking off what Sony say, or moaning afterwars that a leak isn't true... or doesn't appear to be at the moment. Unless Sony say they were targeting 4GB and changed to 8GB recently, we can't simply say VGleaks proves they're redesigning the PS4 again. VGleaks in now way explained how integrated the gaikai streaming was with all the OS share features - Recording video in the background is memory intensive. At one point 4GB may of been the target, who knows, but to say its undoubtedly true in the past month there has been a bump to 8GB isn't a given, it could of happened, it could've been 8GB for a while. 4GB of GDDR5 was still going to arguably be better than the rumoured 8GB of slower memory in the next Xbox...

Leaks really do spoil us, I truly think if we didn't have rumoured PS4 specs and they announced 8GB of GDDR5 and near 2 TFLOPs those unhappy with the conference would seem more impressed - As we heard about GDDR5 and the teraflop count prior to the event, it undoubtedly takes the wind away a little when we can't say we were surprised.

The memory jump between the PS3 to PS4 is the largest in % scale from any PS generation. 16x I think it is, the next largest I believe was PS1 to PS2 at 14x. I know it's the largest after seeing the stats last night, but my actual multipliers may be slightly wrong this morning.

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Personally I'd be more likely to buy the PS4 if it looked like this

http://www.gameberry.net/kuvat/085.jpg

Though preferably in black, maybe brushed aluminum black. at a standard 19 inches wide.

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User friendly design is now fisher price ?... WTF

There was nothing user friendly about the original 360 drive carrier, it was gigantic. It was a 2.5'', but it's not like you could just take it out and slip it in your pocket.

What's truly amazing about the original 360 is that they had the hard drive on the outside and they still couldn't design a decent ventilation system.

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Why did they announce it if it was not ready?

What does that say to consumers that they need to redesign the motherboard/console but it will still be available at the end of the year?

That tells me to wait for a year or two in order to prevent massive failures like the RRoD in the Xbox.

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it was never designed to be a transportable carrier. even so, it was a LOT easier to remove and carry over to a friend than the PS3 "removable" HDD.

so yes it was user friendly. ANYONE could buy a 360 without a HDD or with a smaller HDD and upgrade when they needed a HDD or a bigger one was available.

and again. the 360 never had a problem with the ventilation system, it had a problem with how the CPU was soldered to the motherboard. causing repeated heat and cold cycles, to break the soldering. This problem slipped through QnA because it required both time and many many many repeated on off cycles with cool off inbetween the appear.

of course Sony just redesigned the PS4 with twice the memory, meaning they need a new motherboard and console design. leaving them open to a similar undetected long term usage fault. since there's no chance they now have enough time to finish a full long term QnA test on the new hardware before it has to go into production.

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I see sony doing the exact same they did with the PS3 and the CELL. Yes the CELL on paper looked pretty amazing,but in the real world,it didn't get there. They are doing the same thing with the ram. Sure GDDR5 has more bandwidth than DDR3, but it also has more latency.

The GPU runs a parallel pipeline,so if it stalls because of latency,another part of the GPU can be doing something else. There is a performance penalty,but its not too bad,and the bandwidth will make up for it and more.

What is bad is the CPU penalty. The CPU is linear. It executes instructions in order. Because of the latency,the CPU will basically stall,making the CPU less efficient.

The CPU is important because of the AI and physics. If the graphics has to keep waiting for the calculations and its taking a long time, where is the supposed advantage now?

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it was never designed to be a transportable carrier. even so, it was a LOT easier to remove and carry over to a friend than the PS3 "removable" HDD.

so yes it was user friendly. ANYONE could buy a 360 without a HDD or with a smaller HDD and upgrade when they needed a HDD or a bigger one was available.

and again. the 360 never had a problem with the ventilation system, it had a problem with how the CPU was soldered to the motherboard. causing repeated heat and cold cycles, to break the soldering. This problem slipped through QnA because it required both time and many many many repeated on off cycles with cool off inbetween the appear.

of course Sony just redesigned the PS4 with twice the memory, meaning they need a new motherboard and console design. leaving them open to a similar undetected long term usage fault. since there's no chance they now have enough time to finish a full long term QnA test on the new hardware before it has to go into production.

I just do not know how people can say things like this with certainty.

It's almost as if you want to add your long term 'RROD' prediction simply to hit Sony with a negative slant. You're talking about stuff you really have absolutely no idea about.

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Man, count me out if what was only rumor is now absolutely considered fact. They are rushing because they used 8GB at the last minute? How do people know this exactly? Because dev kits historically have twice the ram? I mean call me crazy, but could it just be they decided it made a whole lot of sense that the dev kit would actually have the same RAM the system would.

And not showing the design means nothing more then they also wanted to have something major to show at e3. Are people really that desperate to make Sony look bad that they are now going to compare them to the same mistakes Microsoft made with rushing the 360 out and totally dismissing a little thing called marketing? Anyone who plays poker knows you do not show all your cards right away, and hate to break it to you all, this business is as much of a poker game as it is everything else. Sony no doubt is holding back on showing the design as they want to also have a great showing at e3.

I am actually close to being done with this community after last night. The amount of XBros sickens me to no end. God forbid your precious piece of plastic is not the best, which yes, all signs are pointing in that direction.

What really, really bothers me about all of you XBros is you fail to forget Sony has been doing this for a long, long time. This is not their first time at the Rodeo. What is amazing is they are not only still around after releasing what many called a disaster of a system because of the Cell, but they appear to be in a place that they will at least have equal specs to the next XBox, and it will be just as easy to develop for. They learned their lesson from The Cell. And this is what has so many people talking ****, and trying to make them sound as bad as they can whenever they can, as they are, for whatever dumb reasons, scared of the fact that even with what so many people called a nightmare of a system with The Cell in the PS3, Sony hung around strong this generation. And now they have a developer friendly console. And a console that appears to be as powerful as the next XBox will be. Why are you all so butthurt about this fact? Because your precious XBox brand may actually not be as great as you all swear that it is? Because the company who so many of you this generation said was destined to fail did not fail? Is your own life really that shallow and empty you have to choose sides on something like a console? Seriously?

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or it could be because all the leaked specs had ner EXACTLY the correct specs. Except the RAM, which was ALSO the ONE spec they SPECIFICALLY made a point to mention on their announcement.

It's pretty gullible to think this wasn't a last minute change after they saw MS did 8GB.

Also considering how close we are to production and the extremely long turnaround on electronics production, if this wasn't a last minute change, then they should have had a final PS4 design to show off.

and it will be just as easy to develop for.

Unknown, This is not a statement that can be made today. how hard somethign is to develop for goes FAR beyond what architecture the system uses. the API and SDK is far more improtant. And THAT, not the architexture is where Sony has historically failed. sure the Cell didn't help the issue, but a good API and SDK on top of the CELL woudl have alleviated a lot of those problems.

and Sony did this late in the PS3's life, they added a lot of automated stuff in the SDK that automatically took advantage of the Cell architecture for the developer, like the SDK should, and made development a lot easier.

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or it could be because all the leaked specs had ner EXACTLY the correct specs. Except the RAM, which was ALSO the ONE spec they SPECIFICALLY made a point to mention on their announcement.

It's pretty gullible to think this wasn't a last minute change after they saw MS did 8GB.

Also considering how close we are to production and the extremely long turnaround on electronics production, if this wasn't a last minute change, then they should have had a final PS4 design to show off.

Well when are these leaked specs from? We do not know. The leaked pictures of the PS4 controller were out of date. In order to be certain in this instance you have to fill in gaps with predictions and speculation, both of those cannot be passed as fact, ever.

And how can we see MS are doing 8GB? MS haven't announced the next Xbox, do you really think Sony would base the PS4 specs on a VGleaks article? .... See my point? Leaks/rumours and speculation are not what you run your business on. Until MS announce the next Xbox we cannot say the leaked specs are fact, the leaked PS4 specs turned out not to be, or at least they were not based upon up to date information.

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