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She made a VERY tough and unpopular call. I applaud her for having the balls to do what needed to be done. Ending the mining was going to have to happen soon. Yes it REALLY hurt the north, but the whole areas chose to bitch and moan rather than move on (finally have now) with other industry. Typical north/south & class divides...

obama talked of raising costs on coal so much that it would basically end mining.. today she would be celebrated as "green" hero.

It's incredibly sad that anyone would celebrate her death. I didn't celebrate the death of Bin Laden, Hussein or Gaddafi?nor will I for war criminals like Bush, Blair or Obama?yet there is a small minority in the UK that clearly takes pleasure in Thatcher's death and that is deeply concerning. It's one thing not to respect her death; it's another entirely to celebrate it.

The reaction to Thatcher's death highlights serious issues with British society.

i agree. but i thought the first clues that british society might be messed up is riots resulting from a simple football game and the bunch of chav's thinking they are gangsters in their crappy burberry hats

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obama talked of raising costs on coal so much that it would basically end mining.. today she would be celebrated as "green" hero.

There was no doubt that the mining industry was effectively over. It cost more to extract the stuff than was made from its sale. It makes zero sense to keep an industry running at a loss, going.

i agree. but i thought the first clues that british society might be messed up is riots resulting from a simple football game and the bunch of chav's thinking they are gangsters in their crappy burberry hats

That sort of crap happens in all societies. Look at America's, South Africa's and New Zealand's massive gang problems, for example. Way worse than ours but do people think those societies are messed up?

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There was no doubt that the mining industry was effectively over. It cost more to extract the stuff than was made from its sale. It makes zero sense to keep an industry running at a loss, going.

That sort of crap happens in all societies. Look at America's, South Africa's and New Zealand's massive gang problems, for example. Way worse than ours but do people think those societies are messed up?

i'm not talking about real gangs. i'm talking about chavs. Young brits who dress in burberry, have filthy mouthes, and try to act like black american gangsters but fail on all accounts.

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i'm not talking about real gangs. i'm talking about chavs. Young brits who dress in burberry, have filthy mouthes, and try to act like black american gangsters but fail on all accounts.

You'd be hard pressed to find many of those around these days... It's a fad that's pretty much fizzled out; they're all now too busy posting on Facebook and Twitter to bother with hassling folks.

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well she also was responsible for a lot of peoples deaths. that any better? :crazy:

So was Bush, Blair, Pol Pot etc.

Smoking, drink driving, natural causes also create death.

Quit blaming a cabinet for shutting down a few coal mines and giving union members the vote on strikes rather than just the leaders.

Miners and their problems have one person to blame, Arthur Scargill.

Mrs T G-d rest her beautiful soul turned Britain from the laughing stock of Europe into a major force.

She has been voted a better leader than Churchill, I agree she was.

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So was Bush, Blair, Pol Pot etc.

Smoking, drink driving, natural causes also create death.

Quit blaming a cabinet for shutting down a few coal mines and giving union members the vote on strikes rather than just the leaders.

Miners and their problems have one person to blame, Arthur Scargill.

Mrs T G-d rest her beautiful soul turned Britain from the laughing stock of Europe into a major force.

She has been voted a better leader than Churchill, I agree she was.

^ People like to blame her for her harsh decisions, whilst completely forgetting who the REAL problem was with in the first place. People like Scargill and the other union bosses were the REAL problem; and it was they that Maggie broke.

BTW Lee, I work in the same area where you live! ;)

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People like to blame her for her harsh decisions, whilst completely forgetting who the REAL problem was with in the first place. People like Scargill and the other union bosses were the REAL problem; and it was they that Maggie broke.

The ones who are vocal are the ones who were duped, or those who received their opinions from them. I can empathise fully, but they were duped by Scargill and his bullies into accepting Thatcher as the problem. Thatcher was the solution!

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BTW Lee, I work in the same area where you live! ;)

Yeah, you told me this in 2008.

Bus routes are still useless.

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Yeah, you told me this in 2008.

Bus routes are still useless.

Short term memory is always the first to go. :p

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It's my view that she isn't anywhere near the great leader that her idolises make her out to be. It is evident she was on the wrong side of history on many issues. My earlier remarks were more a statement of frustration than anything else.

But that's my point, you reacted emotionally rather than rationally.

I don't understand why all of a sudden you are opposing profanity. I always read, and at times agree with, your posts & I don't recall you raising such opposition to profanity in the past. I find it peculiar that in this topic, concerning this leader, you take issue with it.

I frequently criticise people for resorting to profanity. There is simply no need for it in a mature and rational discussion.

If you don't want to use profanity, more power to you. If you wish to be verbose and blather on for an entire sentence for which one word, let's say bull****, would be entirely sufficient, you're welcome to.

As I said earlier, profanity only serves to undermine the point one makes. It does nothing to support one's statement.

Mussolini, Stalin, and Hitler were true to their convictions too. ( I am NOT comparing Thatcher to any of those leaders, I am simply attempting to demonstrating a principle) Do you admire any of those leaders because they stood by their convictions, despite the harm and misery they caused?

Do I admire their convictions? No, because they were responsible for the death and suffering of millions. Do I respect some of their social achievements and leadership skills? Yes. It's far too simplistic to dismiss such people as evil dictators and it does a disservice to society. I've talked to several of my German friends about Hitler over the years and while none supported him they did give me a different impression of who he was and of why people looked up to him. Hitler and Stalin were widely respected and people?especially in the west?should be taught why that was. That's what annoys me about the criticism of Thatcher - by all means despise her and criticise her but do so for the right reasons (and there are plenty of them). Profanity laden personal attacks only serve to discredit the person making them.

Anyway, I think this has gone a bit wayward. You still haven't explained why you despise her. You called her a "miserable elitist" yet offered no explanation for why that is; you called her "heartless" but without any justification; you claimed she was on the "wrong side of history on many issues" yet haven't named a single one of the issues. We get that you don't like her but you haven't explained why.

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