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off topic question.

Intel supposedly "cherry picks" it's k processors, does anyone have a clue if AMD does this as well for their high end ?

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off topic question.

Intel supposedly "cherry picks" it's k processors, does anyone have a clue if AMD does this as well for their high end ?

They do.

Not in a similar style Intel does it but they do pick 83xx and 81xx CPU's.

I've also seen 8170 benchmarks out there but never saw that CPU on the market. I wonder if it was an early 8350 build or just a very very limited CPU.

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They do.

what line/model ?

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The FX is coming from Opteron series or at least the higher end ones are as far as I'm told.

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what line/model ?

Where do you think they had got these Centurions (assuming they're a real deal)? :laugh:

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what line/model ?

Before the PD was announced they actually had a 12 core planned for desktops but for some reason they cancelled it later. I even have some print-outs of the plans, need to find em.

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The FX is coming from Opteron series or at least the higher end ones are as far as I'm told.

read below:

Where do you think they had got these Centurions (assuming they're a real deal)? :laugh:

Good point :p

I mean this:

"or us as architects, we have a team dedicated to putting in overclocking features into the designs and tests in place to cherry pick those parts to box and sell as such. So you are getting parts on the good side of the normal when you buy K CPUs."

http://www.reddit.co...r_at_intel_ama/

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read below:

Good point :p

I mean this:

"or us as architects, we have a team dedicated to putting in overclocking features into the designs and tests in place to cherry pick those parts to box and sell as such. So you are getting parts on the good side of the normal when you buy K CPUs."

http://www.reddit.co...r_at_intel_ama/

Well I seriously doubt they hand-pick the K series. That would be A LOT of work, probably have something else in place, silicon check or what ever.

More likely the E-series are already hand picked.

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Well I seriously doubt they hand-pick the K series. That would be A LOT of work, probably have something else in place, silicon check or what ever.

More likely the E-series are already hand picked.

Yeah, but this could also turn into a "they have money for that, whereas AMD doesn't" debacle. This is the type of hype AMD needs to build up, wonder why they haven't had one of their engineers do an AmA

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I have faith in Jim Kellar

He'll be designing chips after Excavatar

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I'm surprised to hear of all the hate for AMD - I'm delighted with my FX-6100, its been fantastic. Especially for the cost : capability ratio compared to Intel!!

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AMD need to stop selling eight-cores processor with low Instructions Per Cycle (IPC) and start selling four-cores processors with high IPC.

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AMD need to stop selling eight-cores processor with low Instructions Per Cycle (IPC) and start selling four-cores processors with high IPC.

Why? With AMD's 8 core Jaguar coming to next gen consoles, we might just start to see games / apps enhance the full potential of more than 4 cores.

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Why? With AMD's 8 core Jaguar coming to next gen consoles, we might just start to see games / apps enhance the full potential of more than 4 cores.

Agreed more cores is the future, however, programmers need to get off their asses, heck not all games fully utilize 4 cores yet still :/

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I'm surprised to hear of all the hate for AMD - I'm delighted with my FX-6100, its been fantastic. Especially for the cost : capability ratio compared to Intel!!

I was happy with mine at first too, then looked into an i5 3570k and saw the dramatic improvement with video conversion programs such as Handbrake. So, as much as I love AMD (using AMD graphics card), I am now using an Intel system.

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so neowin shows it's face as heavily PRO Microsoft and Intel. don't forget, if it weren't for AMD, intel would be the monopoly and guess what you'd pay for your loyalty to Intel... :rolleyes:

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so neowin shows it's face as heavily PRO Microsoft and Intel. don't forget, if it weren't for AMD, intel would be the monopoly and guess what you'd pay for your loyalty to Intel... :rolleyes:

The only reason I bought a 2600K was because I got it at Microcenter for $200, I would of been stupid to go for the 8150 in such circumstances.

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Hahaha, the intel guys here that replied as if their pride have been hurt are... just pitiful, but whatever, to me it seems that somebody has won the price to performance ratio already, and that's the red team, AMD.

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so neowin shows it's face as heavily PRO Microsoft and Intel. don't forget, if it weren't for AMD, intel would be the monopoly and guess what you'd pay for your loyalty to Intel... :rolleyes:

Have you not seen all the hate Windows 8 is getting here?

I personally purchase what is best value for money / performance at time, brand loyalty is pointless when it comes to components.

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Hahaha, the intel guys here that replied as if their pride have been hurt are... just pitiful, but whatever, to me it seems that somebody has won the price to performance ratio already, and that's the red team, AMD.

Yeah truth hurts i guess, it still doesn't change facts that these same allegations were being said against intel in the p4 days.

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so neowin shows it's face as heavily PRO Microsoft and Intel. don't forget, if it weren't for AMD, intel would be the monopoly and guess what you'd pay for your loyalty to Intel... :rolleyes:

Neowin is not showing anything. That is the likes of you with a petty urge to divide people into warring camps - by throwing around such generic complaints again and again and again. Discuss the matter at hand, if only for naught in the end - withholding such accusatory statements would do an immense amount of good for Neowin on its own.

As for the "Intel tax" - we have been paying that since the beginning of time (and ever so more since the first Cores). Even fanbois acknowledge that. Electricity bills are being left out of pricing equations lately, but what the hell...

No sane person wants for AMD to go down under! I'm insane and even I don't want that! However, AMD is not making it easy to believe in them. They're operating at heavy loss - for how long a public company can keep doing this before shareholders call quits and burn the house down? Their "aggressive pricing" is the reason of this loss, and Intel doesn't care of that pricing in the slightest. Quite an opposite - Intel raises them all the time. And next gen consoles aren't going to save AMD on their own, for the first rule of volume orders is volume pricing.

People will always pay any amount of top dollar for top performance, unless 3rd World War starts or something. So this Centurion, if true at all, is a stunt, a badly needed one at that, but they still need to "get their ass into gear", soon and with something really big, instead of slightly improving upon things. Something that turns everyone's heads, instead of the already done to death price/performance ratio that only attracts those that care about that sort of thing in the first place, and little gains here and there which are known mainly by those who follow the "horselord" of TekSyndicate and not the Average Joe, who thinks that Intel = computers as a whole.

A few ideas to keep this rolling - how about:

- cuting a deal with, say, Cooler Master, to bundle cheap, stylish, but more than decent cooler instead of the "jetliner" (and Asetek, once more... unless, idk, their last attempt with Bulldozer LC bundle didn't do very well?)

- stopping to produce those completely useless shiny metal boxes - I throw all of them straight in the bin, anyway. They've got a hole, can't even store coffee in them.

- persuading Global-"finfets suck"-Foundries to change their stance and uptake ~20nm process posthaste or design and place their next orders somewhere else

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No, they need to get their ass in gear. Intel pretty much wipes the floor with anything they have to offer, yeah yeah amd is "cheaper" yeah... 125w TDP for most of their processors against intels 75... add that to your electricity bill and then we can talk cheap.

Neowin is not showing anything. That is the likes of you with a petty urge to divide people into warring camps - by throwing around such generic complaints again and again and again. Discuss the matter at hand, if only for naught in the end - withholding such accusatory statements would do an immense amount of good for Neowin on its own.

As for the "Intel tax" - we have been paying that since the beginning of time (and ever so more since the first Cores). Even fanbois acknowledge that. Electricity bills are being left out of pricing equations lately, but what the hell...

No sane person wants for AMD to go down under! I'm insane and even I don't want that! However, AMD is not making it easy to believe in them. They're operating at heavy loss - for how long a public company can keep doing this before shareholders call quits and burn the house down? Their "aggressive pricing" is the reason of this loss, and Intel doesn't care of that pricing in the slightest. Quite an opposite - Intel raises them all the time. And next gen consoles aren't going to save AMD on their own, for the first rule of volume orders is volume pricing.

People will always pay any amount of top dollar for top performance, unless 3rd World War starts or something. So this Centurion, if true at all, is a stunt, a badly needed one at that, but they still need to "get their ass into gear", soon and with something really big, instead of slightly improving upon things. Something that turns everyone's heads, instead of the already done to death price/performance ratio that only attracts those that care about that sort of thing in the first place, and little gains here and there which are known mainly by those who follow the "horselord" of TekSyndicate and not the Average Joe, who thinks that Intel = computers as a whole.

A few ideas to keep this rolling - how about:

- cuting a deal with, say, Cooler Master, to bundle cheap, stylish, but more than decent cooler instead of the "jetliner" (and Asetek, once more... unless, idk, their last attempt with Bulldozer LC bundle didn't do very well?)

- stopping to produce those completely useless shiny metal boxes - I throw all of them straight in the bin, anyway. They've got a hole, can't even store coffee in them.

- persuading Global-"finfets suck"-Foundries to change their stance and uptake ~20nm process posthaste or design and place their next orders somewhere else

I did mention electricity bill :angry::p

It is what is, I agree, people just throw in random comments, i'm not a fanboy for neither blue nor green, i'm a fanboi for the best technology available and at the moment, intel's offering surpasses AMD in watts consumed and heat dissipation, obviously this isn't an "average joe" point of view, it is a valid one. I hate people nag nag nag about price/ratio and as you point out, compare that to how much your electricity bill adds up, not to mention the whole efficiency of the system goes down, because more fans are needed to have more air inside to cool those extra degrees because in fact it runs hotter.

Anywho, leaving technical details apart, the fact is, AMD is losing money, the only way they're going to get back in the game is if they go out on a limb, spend extra on RnD or whatever, but get ahead of intel! APUs is a good start, but not good enough, because like pointed above, the more money AMD loses the more shareholders it loses, etc.

I dunno, honestly bulldozer and piledriver have been nothing but excuses "oh windows 7 isn't optimized for multiple cores" "oh run linux in a work related atmosphere running 1000 applications at once to see the benefit", then lets not mention how their infamous "jetliners" are utter crap compared to what intel boxes with their cheapest processors and guess why Intels current lineup runs cool. Again, this isn't BIAS, these are facts, 8350 -- 125w 3770k 77w

Oh and price/performance?

http://www.citytrf.n..._calculator.htm have a go at it: average cost a year (based on average cost 8.7 per watt), on a pc on 24 hours a day =

intel 3770k $58.68

AMD 8350 $95.26

aprox $36 per year, mind you, this is considering average price per watt, the higher the price of electricity, the higher the difference. I would rather spend those $40 and get better memory and/or harddrive... now... considering I did the same when I bought my q6600 g0 ( 95w vs 125w b3 stepping) and i've had it running since 2007 (7 years) thats $36x7 = $252 ... ( In my case anyway)...

But anyway, who says facts are useful ? Current lineup, go intel! and AMD gooo spend on RnD, sell your kidneys but do it!

*costs exaggerated for example to be clear.

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I'm not talking out of my ass, i'm talking design wise, IMO 125w is unacceptable these days, it's just too much, that's what my 7 year old q6600 uses.

You and me, we've had this discussion on the linux benchmarks before ;)

I'm green dude, I would love AMD to kick ass :( like in the thoroughbred days :(, but its just no happening for another 2-3 years because of AMDs RnD budget as you pointed out.

Q6600 uses 65w?

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Q6600 uses 65w?

nope 95w g0 stepping

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Hahaha, the intel guys here that replied as if their pride have been hurt are... just pitiful, but whatever, to me it seems that somebody has won the price to performance ratio already, and that's the red team, AMD.

The problem is AMD are doing that by selling processors at a loss just to stay in the market, it's not a sustainable way of doing business.

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