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So I brought my Canon T1i with (18-55) a long time ago now, along with a Canon EF 50 f/1.8 II. I'm in the Digital Video Production program, and my program is moving onto DSLRs instead of videocameras. I tried using the T1i for video, it's good.. but it's still shooting at 720p and it's pretty much done for that era. I need a new DSLR.

Remember, I'm a film student and money is always and will be a factor. So what I am thinking of getting is the a decent lens and the 5D MKII, or spending 4k on a 5D MKIII with the Kit lens. What do you guys think? Of course, spending less is the best, but I want something to last me quite a while, so I can do photo and video for clients. Any other suggestions would also be good.

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From my very little experience, taking photographer ability out of the picture I would say its the piece of glass on the end of the camera that makes the difference. I honestly believe that a good photographer will be able to produce the same picture regardless of camera however lens would play a bigger part in the IQ (all be it still small).

I guess the question is - will the kits lens actually be able to do what you want?

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5D MKII and spend the difference from the MKIII on decent lenses. Kit lenses are usually crap in the long run.

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But isn't the MK3 better for video? It's a body I can use for a long time and as for lenses, I know the old 18-55 won't work but the Kit Lens that comes with the 5D MK3 should suffice for now. Plus I can rent/borrow out various lenses from the school next year.

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They filmed either the Season 6 or 7 finale of House with a Canon 5D Mark II. I'd say it's more than adequate for video. Set up a deal alert on slickdeals for the body. Refurbished ones have been appearing for relatively cheap recently.

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stretch the budget and get a 5dm3 (body only) then get some old nikon AI/AIS lens for the manual aperture and price/performance ratio.

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[quote name='o0moonman0o' timestamp='1366841636' post='595656486']
stretch the budget and get a 5dm3 (body only) then get some old nikon AI/AIS lens for the manual aperture and price/performance ratio.
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Yeah.. I can't stretch the budget. It's already stretched. Is the MK3 that much better than the MK2? The MK2 now is pretty old, I know some people still use it, but however.. the MK3 is there for a reason right? I don't want to purchase the Mk2 when it is being discontinued from the line.

What kind of lens is good for just a standard lens? I know the 18-55mm won't work right?

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haven't considered the 6d?
The kit lens isn't that bad at all (For both nikon and canon) But you will always be limited to apertures >3

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[quote name='Draconian Guppy' timestamp='1366846757' post='595656638']
haven't considered the 6d?
The kit lens isn't that bad at all (For both nikon and canon) But you will always be limited to apertures >3
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How is the 6D compared to the Mk3? Remember, even though it's for video, I want to also shoot photos as well.

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http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/836%7C0/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/795%7C0/(brand2)/Canon

it's basically an mkiii sensor in a "cheaper" body * (stil weather sealed) and $1500 cheaper in MSRP.

video of the 6d, same as mk:

Maximum format image video 1920 x 1080 / 30 fps
anyway, check out the specs and links and see for yourself!

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I dunno, this review says the video is pretty bad on the 6D.
http://gizmodo.com/5970624/canon-eos-6d-review-beautiful-full+frame-stills-crummy-full+frame-video

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So any other suggestions? Right now I"m really leaning towards the MK3.

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get the mark 3 then pick up like a 28 ais, 50 ais, 105 ais for like under 500 all together.

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[quote name='o0moonman0o' timestamp='1366926411' post='595658360']
get the mark 3 then pick up like a 28 ais, 50 ais, 105 ais for like under 500 all together.
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I kinda want just one lens for now.. something I can use in all situations.. which one would that be? If I don't want to spend $500 if I don't have to. Plus, it's just a primary lens just to do daily shooting. Next year I can always rent out lens from the school.

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It sounds like you're trying to get a 1-size-fits-all situation due to money constraints; you'll outgrow what ever zoom lens you buy pretty quick on a 5D.
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[quote name='Razorwing' timestamp='1366853157' post='595656810']
I dunno, this review says the video is pretty bad on the 6D.
[url="http://gizmodo.com/5970624/canon-eos-6d-review-beautiful-full+frame-stills-crummy-full+frame-video"]http://gizmodo.com/5...ull+frame-video[/url]
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you're kidding me? out of the [b][u]reputable [/u][/b] review sites you chose the giz? for real reviews checkout either dpreview.com or dxomark.


http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-6d/21

Heck even the mkiii has the same "issues"

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/24

Same sensor and processor...

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[quote name='crazzy88ss' timestamp='1366931441' post='595658470']
It sounds like you're trying to get a 1-size-fits-all situation due to money constraints; you'll outgrow what ever zoom lens you buy pretty quick on a 5D.
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Well as I said, I can easily rent out other lenses at school, but for me right now.. I just need something for everyday shooting.. yes going for the 1 size fits all.. exactly what you said.


[quote name='Draconian Guppy' timestamp='1366941881' post='595658674']
you're kidding me? out of the [b][u]reputable [/u][/b] review sites you chose the giz? for real reviews checkout either dpreview.com or dxomark.


[url="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-6d/21"]http://www.dpreview....canon-eos-6d/21[/url]

Heck even the mkiii has the same "issues"

[url="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/24"]http://www.dpreview....-5d-mark-iii/24[/url]

Same sensor and processor...
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Yeah I realized that just now. Giz is not a very good site. I also read that they the problem was with the pre-production models. So I'm still up in the air right now.

Also just read and saw the review over http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-6d-reviews-round-up-moire-issue-confirmed/ seems like Mk3 is the way to go imo.

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seeing you are on a budget and the difference in image quality from the mkIII is negligible (and according to dxomark, the 6d excels in some areas), get the 6d and buy a good superzoom which is what your need is at the moment, such as the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM,

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-24-105mm-USM-Lens-Cameras/dp/B000B84KAW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1366948921&sr=8-7&keywords=canon+dslr+zoom+prime
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-70-200mm-2-8L-USM/dp/B00006I53W/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1366948965&sr=8-18&keywords=canon+dslr+zoom+prime

either one of those and get the nifty fifty for about $100 bucks ( if you chose the 70-200)
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-1-8-Camera-Lens/dp/B00007E7JU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1366949023&sr=1-1&keywords=canon+50mm for the f1.8
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Standard-Medium-Telephoto-Cameras/dp/B00009XVCZ/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1366949023&sr=1-2&keywords=canon+50mm for the f1.5
and

http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-10-20mm-3-5-EX-Canon/dp/B002D2VS9U/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1366949091&sr=1-4&keywords=canon+wide+angle+dslr

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-28mm-Wide-Angle-Cameras/dp/B00009R6WU/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1366949091&sr=1-9&keywords=canon+wide+angle+dslr


like posted above, there isn't a "one to rule them all lens", so again, seeing as you're budget minded, go for the cheaper body and invest and some decent glass.

Also remember, neither the mkiii or the 6d have built in flash, so you mine want to consider that into the equation$$$

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[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]I think I am going to go for the MKIII and the [size=4][color=#282828]24-105mm f/4.. so practically the MK3 with Kit lens? It is just all the extra stuff with the MK3 is stuff I probably will need in the future. Like the headphone jack and the dual memory card slots. The MK3, like the MK2 will probably be a top of the line camera for many years to come. [/color][/size][/font]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=4][color=#282828]I think why Canon made the 6D was to phase out the MK2, but it isn't as good as the MK3. Looking at the MK2, so many filmmakers used it and it's held it's own for a lot of years now and I believe the MK3 will probably do the same. The reviews video wise say that the MK3 isn't as sharp, but you can easily fix it in post. But what the 6D is missing is all the extra focus points, which is probably a good feature.[/color][/size][/font]


Is there a reason to go for the 6D and not the MK3 because of the footage more sharp + price? I pretty much do grading and CC to my footage in post anyway.

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Autofocus points will be an issue, you can get around those in Nikon (all AFS lens have manual override so you can focus wherever you want ) don't know if you can with canon lens? Someone please pitch in on that.

The worst mistake you can make is thinking you'll be set with one lens. The only reason I suggested the 6d was because of budget, I would personally have a body with almost the same performance as the mk3 and buy more glass. If money wasn't an issue I'd say mk3 without a doubt
If you can rent lens or borrow perhaps, buy the body only and buy lens later based on your experience, camera bodies come and go, lens dont.

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[quote name='Draconian Guppy' timestamp='1367124036' post='595661860']
Autofocus points will be an issue, you can get around those in Nikon (all AFS lens have manual override so you can focus wherever you want ) don't know if you can with canon lens? Someone please pitch in on that.

The worst mistake you can make is thinking you'll be set with one lens. The only reason I suggested the 6d was because of budget, I would personally have a body with almost the same performance as the mk3 and buy more glass. If money wasn't an issue I'd say mk3 without a doubt
If you can rent lens or borrow perhaps, buy the body only and buy lens later based on your experience, camera bodies come and go, lens dont.
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Well as I said, I can borrow lenses from the school for free next semester. So with that said, the MKIII and 24-105mm should be fine for everyday shooting right? or is there a better lens I can get? Also do you guys know in the future, if I am going to pick up the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 if that will work with the MKiii?

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[quote name='Razorwing' timestamp='1367167160' post='595662348']
Well as I said, I can borrow lenses from the school for free next semester. So with that said, the MKIII and 24-105mm should be fine for everyday shooting right? or is there a better lens I can get? Also do you guys know in the future, if I am going to pick up the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 if that will work with the MKiii?
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Yeah the f4 24-105 would be a good walkaround lens, "normal" view is around 50mm. The sigma you posted should work perfectly with that body.

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it would not work fine, as the sigma is a dx crop lens.

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[quote name='o0moonman0o' timestamp='1367208550' post='595663116']
it would not work fine, as the sigma is a dx crop lens.
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Oh well that's a bummer, so if I were going to go for Sigma lenses in the future.. which ones should I be looking at?

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[quote name='o0moonman0o' timestamp='1367208550' post='595663116']
it would not work fine, as the sigma is a dx crop lens.
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[quote name='Razorwing' timestamp='1367208822' post='595663120']
Oh well that's a bummer, so if I were going to go for Sigma lenses in the future.. which ones should I be looking at?
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:s Can't "dx" lens be used on fx bodies like nikon? (with the obvious light fall offs), s[b]orry I thought you could so the same in canon[/b] :/


[b][u]edit: Holy hell should've read this before posting[/u][/b]:

[color=#333333][font=Georgia,]On [/font][/color][b]Nikon[/b][color=#333333][font=Georgia,] you can mount a DX lens on an FX camera. And the camera (Nikon D3, D700, D3x) responds by automatically reducing the coverage of the viewfinder images and cropping the resulting JPG or raw image. This is a sensible thing to do as the lens was designed for smaller sensors: the extra field of view covered by the larger sensor will have (often much) lower quality than the DX part.[/font][/color]

[b]Canon

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So are all Sigmas DX lenses? I was reffering to this Lens. It's not out yet.[img]http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/sigma-18-35-1-8/images/frontpage.jpg?v=2116[/img]

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