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Posted 30 April 2013 - 22:03
Posted 30 April 2013 - 22:52
Since when did not doing any work under Opera in regards to the claimed stolen property translate into not doing any work at all?
You're just as ignorant in this case as everyone else, at least until such time as you can actually say what was stolen and what his job/contract entailed.
If the prototype isn't relevant, then so are the features it contains.
Why do I have to be specific when you get to hide behind vague claims and semantics?
First you can't decide if it was a feature, idea or concept that was stolen, now his job seems to alternate between being a paid ideas-guy and "working on something".
Posted 30 April 2013 - 23:06
So you know for a fact that what Opera is suing for is not something anyone did any work on?
I'm not. In fact, I have pointed you both to the video from 2012 and the guy's own blog. You are, however, making vague claims that you refuse to back up.
It doesn't matter whether it was a feature, idea or concept. The point is that the work he did at Opera belongs to Opera.
Posted 30 April 2013 - 23:18
This just highlights how stupid modern I.P laws are getting. Companies shouldn't be allowed to have patents and I.P protection on things that aren't even used in their products
Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:11
Until such time as you can demonstrate to the contrary, and by extension - elaborate as to the terms of his employment/contract and the scope of what exactly was stolen, yes.
Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:16
So you didn't watch the video or read the blog yet...
What if it turns out that he did sell one or more trade secrets to Mozilla? Do you agree that the lawsuit would have merit in such a case?
Posted 01 May 2013 - 19:01
So not only was the original idea/concept never developed, but it was originally thought of in a period of time when Hansen was neither an employee or contractor - and proposed informally before he was contracted.
All you seem to be left with is a weak connection to some of his later contract work that was based on his "GB" concept, thus bringing us back to my original question. What exactly was stolen, and what is Opera's claim to it?
Posted 01 May 2013 - 20:10
What do you mean by "never developed"? Doing design work is not real work? Internal and secret design documents are not covered by NDAs and other contracts?
Are you also saying that if you originally think of something and then get paid to design it, that design doesn't belong to those who paid for the design to be made? So basically, any work a designer does for a company doesn't really belong to the company?
In the summer of 2008, Opera’s founder and CEO at the time, Jon von Tetzchner reaches out and asks if I want to contribute more to Opera. I tell him about GB and propose that we could develop GB as a rebooted and simplified Opera browser. He is very interested, but when we start to talk business, and I tell him that I want no salary and no shares, but 1% of the search revenue as compensation, he says that’s not possible. So there is no deal. In fact, there is never any kind of deal or transfer of ownership of GB concepts to Opera.
So you didn't read his blog after all? Because he mentions at least one specific example. And even though you didn't read it you claim that it supports your argument? LOL.
Posted 01 May 2013 - 21:39
Are you dense? It quite clearly says in his blog:
So "GB" was never developed under Opera, and Hansen was not under employment or contract at that time.
There is nothing contained within the blog that is specific. Simply mentioning a Firefox feature and Opera claiming that's evidence he leaked something is neither specific nor meaningful.
Posted 01 May 2013 - 22:06
LOL. You didn't even bother to read all of it. The very next paragraph states:
"In the beginning of 2009, we come to an agreement of me just helping out as a consultant instead, and during 2009 and 2010 some of my design proposals will naturally be based on some of my older GB concepts, since that’s the direction I wanted to take the browser. "
So you are claiming that he never actually did any consultancy work for Opera? That he was never actually hired or paid in 2009-2010?
Again you prove that you didn't read the blog. He mentions a specific example himself!
Posted 02 May 2013 - 00:00
Irrelevant. The original core concept was envisioned outside of Opera's reach so it's none of their business. The extent of their rights are limited to the content of the designs delivered to them under the contract.
What part of "Simply mentioning a Firefox feature and Opera claiming that's evidence he leaked something is neither specific nor meaningful" don't you understand?
Posted 02 May 2013 - 00:08
Posted 02 May 2013 - 00:11
Posted 02 May 2013 - 00:24
Actually, he was paid by Opera to make something. It doesn't matter if he had an idea before selling it to Opera. He was paid by Opera to come up with ideas, and he delivered ideas to them. That means that Opera has paid for those ideas, and they are Opera's property.
No, he mentions that as a specific thing Opera alleges that he illegally sold to Mozilla. Whether this is really the case is for the courts to decide.
Remember, you wrote: "There is nothing contained within the blog that is specific."
But the blog is being specific about a feature.
Now, back to my question: What if it turns out that he did sell one or more trade secrets to Mozilla? Do you agree that the lawsuit would have merit if that were the case? Why are you afraid to answer this question?
Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:30
Why does Opera still exist? What's the point of it. They don't use their own engine, they have next to no market share, and the majority of their users are self loving ******s.