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[quote]The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be [i]playing the [b]shared copy[/b][/i] of a single game at any given time. [/quote]

[url="http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones-licensing-used-game-policies/"]http://arstechnica.c...-game-policies/[/url]


[quote]Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend

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Microsoft is taking a stance on the future of electronic/digital distribution. Like it or not, I believe your above statement is true, and now that the dust is settling a lot of the details will come out and if people care to calm down, read them and educate themselves. They will see the "DRM" isn't totally what it was portrayed to be at the beginning.

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[quote name='MikeInBA' timestamp='1371067615' post='595754942']
So basically if my buddy 500 miles/kilometers away is on my share list, we could split the cost of the next great coop game?!?!?!?
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Only you cant actually play co-op with him. So it's just the same as today, apart from the cost of a stamp.

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[quote name='DARKFiB3R' timestamp='1371068110' post='595754974']
Only you cant actually play co-op with him. So it's just the same as today, apart from the cost of a stamp.
[/quote]I highlighted the Ars quote, because it specifically says "shared copy", not the original owner. (at least what i interpreted). To me that seems to indicate the owner, and the person sharing can at least play at the same time, if not together.

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[quote name='MikeInBA' timestamp='1371067615' post='595754942']
So basically if my buddy 500 miles/kilometers away is on my share list, we could split the cost of the next great coop game?!?!?!?
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Not legally. I'm sure behind this is a wall of text which clarifies that "in your home" refers to anyone physically living with you. That's pretty standard for things like Netflix and Spotify, etc.

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[quote name='threetonesun' timestamp='1371068426' post='595754992']
Not legally. I'm sure behind this is a wall of text which clarifies that "in your home" refers to anyone physically living with you. That's pretty standard for things like Netflix and Spotify, etc.
[/quote]Nope, read the articles, they say specifically they dont have to be same household.
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I read it as: Once the original copy is shared, it is classed as a shared (lent out) copy in itself, until the shared status is revoked.

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i really do not see much of a problem with the method in which they are making their game sharing the only problem i see with it is that it is just as cut and dry as just handing someone a disk like it used to be.

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[quote name='DARKFiB3R' timestamp='1371068631' post='595755008']
I read it as: Once the original copy is shared, it is classed as a shared (lent out) copy in itself, until the shared status is revoked.
[/quote]I read it as the original being "flagged" as shared, and you can play the original, and if by chance 1 of your buddies from across town boots up, they also have an option to play the shared copy.

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no,they mean,only one instance of the game can be played at any given time. you can each play different games though. you can give him your login to access your games on his end, and you can locally play all the games on your own console without logging in, that's if you don't want to use family sharing way with a friend whos not related to you.

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[quote name='vcfan' timestamp='1371068785' post='595755026']
no,they mean,only one instance of the game can be played at any given time. you can each play different games though. you can give him your login to access your games on his end, and you can locally play all the games on your own console without logging in, that's if you don't want to use family sharing way with a friend whos not related to you.
[/quote]no where is it described that way. And there is no way to play X1 w/o logging in.

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[quote]I highlighted the Ars quote, because it specifically says "shared copy", not the original owner. (at least what i interpreted). To me that seems to indicate the owner, and the person sharing can at least play at the same time, if not together.[/quote]
Not a chance.
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[quote name='nik louch' timestamp='1371069056' post='595755044']
Not a chance.
[/quote]If I had just read the statement, and not parsed words, i tend to agree with you. It certainly sounds like only 1 person at a time, but even at that. The idea that any of those 10 people can play any of my games instantly is pretty cool.

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[quote name='MikeInBA' timestamp='1371068543' post='595755000']
Nope, read the articles, they say specifically they dont have to be same household.
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Err, it absolutely does say that:
[quote][b]Share access to your games with everyone inside your home[/b][/quote]

Yes, a family member can play a game at a friends house, but your friend can't play your game at your friends house.

For reference on what the difference is, see here: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/06/11/0217234/sharing-hbo-go-accounts-could-result-in-prison?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

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[quote name='MikeInBA' timestamp='1371068920' post='595755036']
no where is it described that way. And there is no way to play X1 w/o logging in.
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its directly from the xbox site that you linked

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Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. [b]Anyone can play your games on your console--[size=5][color=#FF0000]regardless of whether you are logged in[/color][/size][/b][size=5][color=#FF0000] [/color][/size]or their relationship to you.


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you don't have to be connected to the internet to play.you just need to connect once a day,thats all

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[quote name='threetonesun' timestamp='1371069274' post='595755060']
Err, it absolutely does say that:


Yes, a family member can play a game at a friends house, but your friend can't play your game at your friends house.

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And it also says that "family members" dont have to be family members, so whats stopping me from saying my friend is a family member?

[quote]For one, a family member doesn't have to be a "blood relative," he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don't have to live in the primary owner's house
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"eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit"

Yeah, until the next gen, where Kinect 3 can look into your very soul.

[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970639_4870578598471_1164486786_n.jpg[/img]

:rofl:
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[quote name='vcfan' timestamp='1371069317' post='595755062']
its directly from the xbox site that you linked



you don't have to be connected to the internet to play.you just need to connect once a day,thats all
[/quote]I completely misread what you said, my apologies. Re: logging in...I think something might be off. I think you must sign in, maybe not "login", just like Kinect must be connected, but you can turn it off. An MS account is required.

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I gather that "family members" indicates a more permanent friends list. Like you can only swap one person out of your shared list once every two years or something. It makes sense - family members are permanent... unless divorce. I can't see MS being able to find out your relationship with a family member any ways.

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[quote name='DClark' timestamp='1371070000' post='595755104']
I gather that "family members" indicates a more permanent friends list. Like you can only swap one person out of your shared list once every two years or something. It makes sense - family members are permanent... unless divorce. I can't see MS being able to find out your relationship with a family member any ways.
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They just need to be on your friends list for more than 30 days. You can change that list however you see fit. My question is what happens in the first month when you haven't had people on the family list for 30 days because the system is still less than a month old.

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[quote name='ahhell' timestamp='1371070174' post='595755114']
They just need to be on your friends list for more than 30 days. You can change that list however you see fit. My question is what happens in the first month when you haven't had people on the family list for 30 days because the system is still less than a month old.
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perhaps new accounts are the exception?

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[quote name='MikeInBA' timestamp='1371069602' post='595755076']
And it also says that "family members" dont have to be family members, so whats stopping me from saying my friend is a family member?
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Interesting. I suppose since you're giving up access, it's not an issue, although their overall plans don't sound very firmed up at the moment.

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[quote name='threetonesun' timestamp='1371070546' post='595755134'] their overall plans don't sound very firmed up at the moment.
[/quote]No they dont. ill be heartbroken if there is a trick to this. My friends IRL are scattered over the country and this would be awesome.

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[quote name='MikeInBA' timestamp='1371070874' post='595755148']
No they dont. ill be heartbroken if there is a trick to this. My friends IRL are scattered over the country and this would be awesome.
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I suggest you plan for the worst :)

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Hold on, why are you guys mixing up different things all into one?

Let's take it part by part, the 10 family member part is not linked to your own personal console. It's a account listing, you add members as "family" and they can access your library from their own Xbox Ones on their own accounts from anywhere. Now the bit that they haven't said specifically just yet, unless you play word games, is if it's limited to you and one person at the same time playing any game, or if it's limited to one person playing one game while the other 9 play 9 other games on your library? We'll find out for sure as time passes.

Second, the local part. Since XBL will know which console is your main console, a local profile instead of a roaming cloud profile you'd have to download on a friends XB1 when you visit, then it will allow anyone who does a remote login on your system to play the games you have on that system from their own accounts. You don't have to login for them to play, it just has to be your main system. This has nothing to do with the 10 member sharing list, this is local playing only and not remote library sharing. It's the same as it is today, you visit a friend, you play the games he owns, no limits or anything of the sort, just login and play.

The 30 day bit is also different, that's for people on your list you want to give a game you own away to, gifting, or say, selling. So you have your friends, you're done with a game and want to give it to one of them for good, or sell it to him for good. If he's been on your list for 30 days at least then you can pass the game license to him though he can't turn around and sell it again it seems, so it's a one time deal. This 30 day gifting bit also has nothing to do with the above two parts.

I don't know why people still mix up and jumble them all together like they're the same features when they're different.

There's also the ability to share your gold members ship on your main console with any other local accounts that are stored on it if you want. So, one XB1, 5 accounts created on it, 1 person has gold, now the other 4 can get it for no extra charge.

To me it's pretty clear cut other than the first sharing bit but we'll know about that soon.
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