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#31 FloatingFatMan

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 16:35

But then those people who 'have a grip on real life' as you put it, are crying when they will have to "opt out" of the filtering.


Opting out is fine. Having to do that every day? Not so much!
 

What it is, is that these people who 'have a grip on real life' are crapping themselves as when they get a girlfriend, or have a wife accidently goes onto an adult site, it will let them rather than block it - so they know their partner has opted out :)


My wife and I enjoy watching porn together. :p
 

We already do it with the mobile side of it - where you DO have to call up, pay £1 to have adult content unlocked - so it isn't out of the ordinary.


I don't recall having to pay to get it unlocked on my mobile...


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 16:36

But then those people who 'have a grip on real life' as you put it, are crying when they will have to "opt out" of the filtering.

 

What it is, is that these people who 'have a grip on real life' are crapping themselves as when they get a girlfriend, or have a wife accidently goes onto an adult site, it will let them rather than block it - so they know their partner has opted out :)

 

As said, it is great concept from 95% of the population - the other 5% can just opt out, for free and enjoy what they watch/view :)

 

We already do it with the mobile side of it - where you DO have to call up, pay £1 to have adult content unlocked - so it isn't out of the ordinary.

Do you honestly believe only 5% of the population views porn? 

Ha.

And the people with a grip, aren't the ones who let their lives be ruined by a simple image. It's not just in regards to porn, it's everything.  Some people who are able to deal with reality, won't mind having it blocked, but as shown in this topic, there are other arguments than "I want my porn" for not blocking it, or opting out, such as freedom of speech, or precedent setting.

If we allow people to censor the internet, regardless of whether it's porn or kitten pictures, we allow them to censor our lives, and take control of the information we're fed or allowed to feed ourselves. That leads to Skynet in the long run.



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 16:40

If ###### are going to be censored why can I still see photos of Cameron on my screen?  :wacko:



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 16:41

If ###### are going to be censored why can I still see photos of Cameron on my screen?  :wacko:


Because he's a boob! :p



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 16:44

On my PAYG mobile account, porn is blocked by default. You need to use a credit card (not debit, as under 18s can have one), and enter the details into a page that's presented should you try to access porn. No credit card? Embarrass yourself by visiting one of their shops and presenting ID.

As for this ISP blocking, If it's a network based filtering system that you can control in your ISP account online, then great. When a new user signs up, or if it's implemented to existing users as a default option, then send an email, or snail mail telling customers about the change and what to do.

Personally, I don't have a girlfriend so... um... I will be changing those settings straight away, should they appear!

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 16:54

Opting out is fine. Having to do that every day? Not so much!
 

 

 

Where did it say you had to opt out every day? I missed that - I work for an ISP and the talk was, it would be account driven - you log into your billing area and opt out there - then wait for it to be provisioned and whammo - all is good.

 

As I said, I have no problem with it - people can opt out - if it was a case of it was blocking for the sake of blocking, then yes I agree censorship is wrong - but to have an opt-out system is a great solution and much better than an opt in system.

 

 

Do you honestly believe only 5% of the population views porn? 
 

 

Maybe I phrased it wrong. 5% of the population are in uproar that they will have to OPT OUT of blocking it - rest of the population won't care :)

 

 

My wife and I enjoy watching porn together. :p

 

Yep - my wife and I used to watch it together too. And she was 'ok' with porn. It wasn't until it was controlling pretty much all thought and time that it became impossible to control - like a drug. I would download thousands of photos. You'd see things and think it was what women liked - they don't. They tell you they do to make you happy...

I even wrote a book on it (unpublished as it was a book for my self help) and if you read it, you would see how sex influences EVERYTHING - and it creates a society where the most extreme becomes 'normal'.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not religious or a nut job - but I am also not fooled by people who say they are "in control" but as soon as it is being regulated, they object to it.



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 16:59

Where did it say you had to opt out every day? I missed that - I work for an ISP and the talk was, it would be account driven - you log into your billing area and opt out there - then wait for it to be provisioned and whammo - all is good.

 

As I said, I have no problem with it - people can opt out - if it was a case of it was blocking for the sake of blocking, then yes I agree censorship is wrong - but to have an opt-out system is a great solution and much better than an opt in system.

 

 

 

Maybe I phrased it wrong. 5% of the population are in uproar that they will have to OPT OUT of blocking it - rest of the population won't care :)

 

 

 

Yep - my wife and I used to watch it together too. And she was 'ok' with porn. It wasn't until it was controlling pretty much all thought and time that it became impossible to control - like a drug. I would download thousands of photos. You'd see things and think it was what women liked - they don't. They tell you they do to make you happy...

I even wrote a book on it (unpublished as it was a book for my self help) and if you read it, you would see how sex influences EVERYTHING - and it creates a society where the most extreme becomes 'normal'.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not religious or a nut job - but I am also not fooled by people who say they are "in control" but as soon as it is being regulated, they object to it.

I don't think I should have to "opt out" of censorship, I think you should have to "opt in" to be part of the filter. Why should I have to inconvenience myself to exercise my right to free speech, and to travel (including virtually) where I please?

To think there's a list of people who either want to watch porn, or want to opt out of censorship makes me a bit wary, especially considering the current state of personal security and surveillance by governments.   I think they're just testing the waters to see how much opposition they're going to get, and then move on to other subjects they consider "inappropriate", like anyone who thinks differently than them.

 

 

EDIT: I now see your 5% point, and I think only 5% will really speak up about it, because everyone else is accustomed to being babied by the government and told what is right and wrong based on some crackpot with no sense of the real world.  (No, David Cameron does NOT have a sense of the real world, he is a tool)



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:03

I guess we'll agree to disagree - we are never going to see sense and i've whacked in my 2p worth :)



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:12

I guess we'll agree to disagree - we are never going to see sense and i've whacked in my 2p worth :)

I concur. Good debate sir.



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:14

If there was a like button, i'd like your post :)



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:18

If there was a like button, i'd like your post :)

I as well. I suppose I'll just have to go give your profile a few stars instead.



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:18

"special advisor on preventing the sexualization and commercialization of childhood"

 

Jesus ######ing Christ, is this for real?



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:26

Where did it say you had to opt out every day? I missed that - I work for an ISP and the talk was, it would be account driven - you log into your billing area and opt out there - then wait for it to be provisioned and whammo - all is good.


It's in the source article.
 

Features such as time-limited deactivation of filtering and email updates when filter settings are changed are expected to become widespread. "We will have automatic put on, so if you turn the filter off at 9pm, it turns on again at 7am," said Perry.



As I said, I have no problem with it - people can opt out - if it was a case of it was blocking for the sake of blocking, then yes I agree censorship is wrong - but to have an opt-out system is a great solution and much better than an opt in system.


I think there are pro's and con's to each system. Many people will complain about having to opt out, but far more wouldn't bother to opt in. For me, I don't mind either, but I suspect opt in would end up keeping it away from more kids.
 
 

Yep - my wife and I used to watch it together too. And she was 'ok' with porn. It wasn't until it was controlling pretty much all thought and time that it became impossible to control - like a drug. I would download thousands of photos. You'd see things and think it was what women liked - they don't. They tell you they do to make you happy...
I even wrote a book on it (unpublished as it was a book for my self help) and if you read it, you would see how sex influences EVERYTHING - and it creates a society where the most extreme becomes 'normal'.


Everyone's different. We watch it occasionally, for fun. It doesn't control our lives or cause any problems, it's just harmless fun.
 



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:29

Until 7am the next day? that's a lot of calls to the ISP?

I can just imagine the day it is enforced, how many people will flood the phonelines with calls from guys demanding access lol



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:30

I love it when these sorts of things come along. It actually makes it easier for people to avoid detection.

 

a) Anyone with even pretty low level knowledge can circumvent easily

b) When plod arrives you can easily say "but that's blocked guvnor. wasn't me!" and then when checks are done it'll show you couldn't have accessed the sites in question

 

It's self defeating.

 

GL proving the use of the circumvention methods in a court.