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#76 ahhell

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 20:24

yeah I agree. I don't want to pay for it if I don't know what I'm getting into. I think the main problem is that Microsoft doesn't know how to handle questions or they probably dont know what's going on internally.

The console is still almost 6 months out.  There is plenty of time for MS to get it's ducks in a row.  There's been speculation that some of the family sharing stuff is a pretty recent addition.  That would explain why information has been inconsistent.




#77 George P

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 20:44

Why would MS close the authentication servers?  Those are part of Xbox Live, are people thinking MS is going to close Xbox Live down now?    You know what will happen, MS releases a new Xbox in another 7-8 years from now and your Live account just keeps working on it and your licenses keep working and so on.  And yes I doubt they're going to change hardware architecture yet again for the Xbox 4 8 years from now.  It'll still be x86, probably with 12 or however many cores are fancy enough for a CPU to have by then, with yet another GPU that's running whatever the newest DX version is by then and so on.  Then we finally get our backwards compatibility back and at the same time we can redownload all those games we have licenses to linked to our accounts from our Xbox One console.  Xbox Live keeps going like nothing's changed and all's well.

 

Do any of you wonder if Valve is going to close it's Steam servers 10 years from now and not allow you to have access to all those games you've been buying till then?   I doubt you have, not since Steam probably first started has that even come up. 



#78 Crimson Rain

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 20:48

To end user the end result is the same,

but for publisher view it differently, they insist that "License(s)" must not be transferable nor lend able.

 

Surely you forgot how MS said Office 2013 license is not transferable?

only the backlash made it change decision to allow transfering license once every 90 days?

 

and XBox One DRM said, the game license can only transfered ONCE,

so if you recieves license of a game from someone else, you can't transfer that licence to another,

MS DRM getting worse, don't you think?

 

MS need to change their decision about the XBox One DRM.

 

Giving away and sharing are different things; two different features.

 

Both are entirely new in digital game license/delivery system.

 

The benefits of sharing far outweigh the restriction of one time giving away (transfer). Hell...because of sharing, you wont need to give away most of the times.



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:03

The Publishers will have the final say whether the game will be sellable or not regardless of what console you purchase the product on. They could just implement some DRM scheme into the game. Also there was an interview with MajorNelson and he stated that if players were to be banned from the console, all our purchased items would still work. As for the Servers shutting down, yah i did not like how he dodged around that question, but i am sure they could just send an update that would remove all licensing restrictions if they chose to retire the service and no longer would force activation checks.

Now in order for the Family sharing for it to work the way they mentioned, then yes some form of DRM is required, however i don't think it needs to be as restrictive as the way they have it.

 

 

Yes, all purchased items.. but I wanna buy more games/maps/dlc/arcade stuff.. so, what there?


Why would MS close the authentication servers?  Those are part of Xbox Live, are people thinking MS is going to close Xbox Live down now?    You know what will happen, MS releases a new Xbox in another 7-8 years from now and your Live account just keeps working on it and your licenses keep working and so on.  And yes I doubt they're going to change hardware architecture yet again for the Xbox 4 8 years from now.  It'll still be x86, probably with 12 or however many cores are fancy enough for a CPU to have by then, with yet another GPU that's running whatever the newest DX version is by then and so on.  Then we finally get our backwards compatibility back and at the same time we can redownload all those games we have licenses to linked to our accounts from our Xbox One console.  Xbox Live keeps going like nothing's changed and all's well.

 

Do any of you wonder if Valve is going to close it's Steam servers 10 years from now and not allow you to have access to all those games you've been buying till then?   I doubt you have, not since Steam probably first started has that even come up. 

IIRC when the xbox 360 launched the xbox live servers for the original console were 'shut down' within a year, possibly 2 - because you could 'use the 360 for your xbox games'



#80 George P

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:12

Yes, all purchased items.. but I wanna buy more games/maps/dlc/arcade stuff.. so, what there?


IIRC when the xbox 360 launched the xbox live servers for the original console were 'shut down' within a year, possibly 2 - because you could 'use the 360 for your xbox games'

Didn't that just mean the original MP game servers?  As far as the security checking goes that's part of Live itself, Live is still going and is still going to be used on the next Xbox after the Xbox One. 



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:13

Yes, all purchased items.. but I wanna buy more games/maps/dlc/arcade stuff.. so, what there?


IIRC when the xbox 360 launched the xbox live servers for the original console were 'shut down' within a year, possibly 2 - because you could 'use the 360 for your xbox games'

 

 

Xbox Live support for the original Xbox was shutdown in April 2010.

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:24

Do any of you wonder if Valve is going to close it's Steam servers 10 years from now and not allow you to have access to all those games you've been buying till then?   I doubt you have, not since Steam probably first started has that even come up. 

This concern comes up fairly often. IIRC Gabe has stated that there's some secret last-resort option if Valve actually folded that would give you access to all of your games, but no one knows for sure.

 

Plus, it wasn't really an issue when Steam started since, for the most part, you could still buy disc versions of the games and then just unlock them on Steam.

 

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Some MS employees were talking about a subscription service as well, where you'd never even own your games.



#83 George P

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:28

This concern comes up fairly often. IIRC Gabe has stated that there's some secret last-resort option if Valve actually folded that would give you access to all of your games, but no one knows for sure.

 

Plus, it wasn't really an issue when Steam started since, for the most part, you could still buy disc versions of the games and then just unlock them on Steam.

 

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Some MS employees were talking about a subscription service as well, where you'd never even own your games.

 

Depending on the subscription model it could be like just renting at gamefly or redbox.  If the price is right then it could be a nice option to have.  I'd like to be able, say as a Gold member, "rent" games digitally.   I very very rarely replay games I own and a number of others have said that they're big on renting games.  

 

I'm sure if Valve did go belly up then they'd flip a license switch that said you can go in and red/l everyone one last time and keep a local copy without DRM on it etc. 



#84 JaredFrost

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:30

anyone who's not a MS fanboy will just get the alternative that doesnt make you jump through hoops to play your games. Anyway you look at it, the PS4 is the better buy.

 

I somewhat disagree and agree, I was completely an MS and xbox fan, 100%, I'm just not blindly a fan, but recent design/policies the company has put forth(ad filled dashboard on a paid gold sub, Windows 8 Modern UI, etc) now Xbox One have changed my mind and I wont be purchasing these products, my main beef is with the 24h check-in(basically no offline), no offline to me means this product will have a limited product lifetime, at some point they will drop support MS always do, and to a lesser degree but still an issue for me is having to have the Kinect connected and always listening for Xbox On.

 

So on that note, if MS doesn't reverse this at some point, I will never be getting an Xbox One, and in turn none of the games or services they make money on

I guess I'll save for that house I always wanted to own.



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 21:54

Why would MS close the authentication servers?  Those are part of Xbox Live, are people thinking MS is going to close Xbox Live down now?    You know what will happen, MS releases a new Xbox in another 7-8 years from now and your Live account just keeps working on it and your licenses keep working and so on.

I'll just put this right here.

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And this is all within the Xbox 360 lifetime, these titles are gone from the servers, what are they? games? DLC? pictures? themes? who knows

My download history has 30+ of these in there, MS has a history on dropping support and killing things completely in the long term, so we should

for no reason think Xbox One and games will be any different.

 

Another issue I am having is with their regional restrictions, I recently moved from North America to New Zealand, and while it allowed me to

queue/purchase games from Games on Demand on XBL, it wouldn't allow me to download them, it would get to 70-90% and fail, I had to change

my account region to NZ, which in itself isn't a problem, but some of my purchased GoD I can't even download at all now, due to regional restrictions

Some are even silly, the same games are available here, and on GoD, it just wont download till I purchase again, which it wont allow me to do because

I already purchased it.



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 22:20

http://kotaku.com/so...for-p-514144920

 

Not sure if you guys saw this today. Sony will probably move toward similar drm in the future.

 

Yoshida: "The things we want to see change [is to have] more people embrace the digital side and have more people connect."



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 22:28

Those buying PS4 should be worried that Sony might cease to exist in an year's time from now given their poor financial state of recent. Whoever ends up buying their asset will close down PS4 and PSN for good.

No warranty support, no PSN. Nothing.

 

Think. About. it.

 

 

Yes, it sounds stupid, doesn't it? So does you for thinking that Microsoft/Xbox will just disappear down the line.



#88 JaredFrost

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 22:34

Those buying PS4 should be worried that Sony might cease to exist in an year's time from now given their poor financial state of recent. Whoever ends up buying their asset will close down PS4 and PSN for good.

No warranty support, no PSN. Nothing.

 

Think. About. it.

 

 

Yes, it sounds stupid, doesn't it? So does you for thinking that Microsoft/Xbox will just disappear down the line.

 

And if they did, those games will work offline, now wont they.

 

Think. About. It.



#89 srbeen

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 23:09

Those buying PS4 should be worried that Sony might cease to exist in an year's time from now given their poor financial state of recent. Whoever ends up buying their asset will close down PS4 and PSN for good.

No warranty support, no PSN. Nothing.

 

Think. About. it.

 

 

Yes, it sounds stupid, doesn't it? So does you for thinking that Microsoft/Xbox will just disappear down the line.

 

The only thing I can think of relatively close to this business model is a home security system which requires a telephone line to call the security center.. Theres few and far between products which exist and rely on another product provided by various vendors to remain functional. This is where people with a PS4 wouldn't care - as even if sony vanishes everything they have in their library will work indefinitely.

 

There will be a first though; It will be the first time a modchip is required in a console to play your legitimate games, as well as backup games.



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 23:19

And if they did, those games will work offline, now wont they.

 

Think. About. It.

Whooooooooosh....