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#121 compl3x

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:32

people with twitter and reddit accounts strike again.  patting each other on the back saying we won. won what? this is why technology will always be held back. I respect like hell guys like Don Mattrick who will go out and tell it like it is.

 Yeah, real hero.

 

A more condescending and arrogant man I've never seen allowed to rep. a company.




#122 Luc2k

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:16

people with twitter and reddit accounts strike again.  patting each other on the back saying we won. won what? this is why technology will always be held back. I respect like hell guys like Don Mattrick who will go out and tell it like it is.

So now that Xbone has lost its killer feature, you're not going to buy it, right? I mean, you're voting with your wallet, like the guys who skipped it initially after said feature killed their interest.



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:58

thing is...it was dumb because a lot of those people who were complaining were PS fans. Yes, there was a portion that was Xbox fans (or both) but it was literally the biggest flamewar of the video game era. They gave in to people that weren't even going to get their console in the first place. They have a tangible way of seeing this...hav the preorders gone up significantly in the past day to warrant the action they took? That's a good measure they can take. We will never know regrettably.



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 14:09

I don't know why people see sharing games as a "killer feature" or "next gen". We can still share games, with far less restrictions, just not as conveniently. This is a huge problem with society today, we are far too willing give up our freedoms, for convenience. It is a slippery ****ing slope.

 

Digital sharing is/was available on the PS3. It is not "Next Gen".

 

We have been able to run games from a HDD for years (via hacks, unfortunately). It is not "Next Gen".

 

Next gen IS about improved graphics, improved AI, improved sound, improved scale, improved immersion. It's about the actual games themselves, not how you acquire them.

 

In Mircosofts statement, they say they have now given us the best of both worlds. This is obviously not true.

The option to have a free market, and to also share digitally and all the rest of it, would have been the best of both.

By removing digital sharing from the equation entirely, they are removing their ability to tell just how ready the market really is, and what impact it would actually have on used game sales, if people were given the choice between the two, rather than have it rammed down their throats, one way or the other. If it really is the better option for consumers, then the figures would reflect that in time, and the market would regulate itself.

We are not idiots for defending our rights, we totally did the right thing. Microsoft are idiots for making a total mess of it.

 

The solution is right here. http://www.neowin.ne...limmer-of-hope/

 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 14:26

So now that Xbone has lost its killer feature, you're not going to buy it, right? I mean, you're voting with your wallet, like the guys who skipped it initially after said feature killed their interest.

 

better games,better software,better features,better controls are all still there,so yes,still buying it.



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 14:29

thing is...it was dumb because a lot of those people who were complaining were PS fans. Yes, there was a portion that was Xbox fans (or both) but it was literally the biggest flamewar of the video game era. They gave in to people that weren't even going to get their console in the first place. They have a tangible way of seeing this...hav the preorders gone up significantly in the past day to warrant the action they took? That's a good measure they can take. We will never know regrettably.

 

Blaming PS fanboys for this is probably more hilarious than the DRM in the first place.

 

Yeah sure, all the gaming media outlets, biggest forums, all of Twitter and FB are all Sony fanboys. The 70 million + 360 owners, of which 40 odd million are on Live, have all been in hiding and/or telling MS on their official Twitter/FB/YouTube how good a decision the DRM was.

 

MS dun goofed not listening to all that positive feedback the MS fanboys were giving them, silly MS.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:28

^ Don't forget that the people who were complaining where just in the "vocal minority".

 

MS apologists really can't work out who to blame for all of this: vocal minorities, PS fanboys, intergalactic space aliens, zombies, or voodoo priests?



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:32

we are far too willing give up our freedoms, for convenience. It is a slippery ****ing slope.

######. This was never about "freedoms" and "rights". Stop being hyperbolic. Everyone went down that slope when you agreed to DRM in PS1 and original Xbox. The now-extinct-policy was just more of the same.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:38

bull****. This was never about "freedoms" and "rights". Stop being hyperbolic. Everyone went down that slope when you agreed to DRM in PS1 and original Xbox. The now-extinct-policy was just more of the same.

Are you out of your ######ing mind?

 

Only being able to trade my games at an authorised dealer, on their terms?

 

Buying a used game meant it had zero resale value?

 

It was not the ######ing same, far from it.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 15:55

bull****. This was never about "freedoms" and "rights". Stop being hyperbolic. Everyone went down that slope when you agreed to DRM in PS1 and original Xbox. The now-extinct-policy was just more of the same.

 

lol. Of course it was. This robbed consumers of the ability of resale in order to give publishers more control. Simply put, MS gambled and lost.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 16:38

lol. Of course it was. This robbed consumers of the ability of resale in order to give publishers more control. Simply put, MS gambled and lost.

The fact that you could have...

1. Buy a game for $60

2. Keep it until you don't want it any more

3. Sell it back to an authorized reseller for $50/$40/$30 (whatever the buy back is)

4. Reseller can offer the game back to a consumer for $50 (or whatever the current market rate of the game is) (not a used game with a scratched disc at this point)

5. Games should eventually go down in price, since the additional funds are being made by publishers/developers.

 

Sounds like a win win to me.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 17:34

Who are the authorised resellers? Why do they all of a sudden have to be authorised? Sounds like a way to push independent used game stores out of the picture and/or charge stores to be authorised. I highly doubt the buy back price would be that high, what are you basing that figure on?

 

There is no evidence from this model that games would go down in price. An assertion that keeps being made but has not one shred of evidence to back it up.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 17:54

The fact that you could have...

1. Buy a game for $60

2. Keep it until you don't want it any more

3. Sell it back to an authorized reseller for $50/$40/$30 (whatever the buy back is)

4. Reseller can offer the game back to a consumer for $50 (or whatever the current market rate of the game is) (not a used game with a scratched disc at this point)

5. Games should eventually go down in price, since the additional funds are being made by publishers/developers.

 

Sounds like a win win to me.

 

No. Games will never go down in price. They make too much money as it is from games being $60, why would they screw themselves over? It's a nice pipedream sure... but feasible? no.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 19:33

No. Games will never go down in price. They make too much money as it is from games being $60, why would they screw themselves over? It's a nice pipedream sure... but feasible? no.

Yes, you are absolutely right.

http://marketplace.x...15-d80245410850

 

http://www.xbox.com/...n warfare#Games

 

http://marketplace.x...wnloadType=Game



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 19:39

DRM = more developer/company rights and less end user rights... period!