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#1 Hum

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 21:17

Then there's Tesla Motors co-founder Elon Musk's new idea called the Hyperloop, which he revealed today: an elevated, solar-powered train-in-a-tube that could whisk riders at supersonic speeds up to 900 miles. It sounds fantastic, and according to Musk could be built for less than a comparable magnetic-levitation train — roughly $6 billion for a Los Angeles-to-San Franciso route that would cut travel time to 30 minutes for a $20 ticket.

 

The proposal from Musk — a 57-page paper full of aerodynamic engineering concepts and economic discussion points — has as much connection to reality as a comic book at the moment.

 

Musk describes the Hyperloop as essentially a solar-powered version of the pneumatic tubes once common in offices and drive-through bank branches. By riding on pressurized air, with a compressor fan at the front of the capsules, the vehicles could accelerate up to 760 mph without the disruptive sonic booms supersonic aircraft produce. And despite the speeds, Musk says the accelerations would be limited to no more than what passengers face today: "It would feel like you were riding in an airplane, like you're riding in a cushion of air."

 

To survive in California's earthquake-prone geography, the Hyperloop would be built on pillars designed to cushion the tube from tremors, a system that Musk contends would be safer than trains today. In fact, Musk contends if the Hyperloop tubes were coated in solar panels, they would generate more energy than the system uses and should be better in every dimension — cheaper, safer, more energy efficient and pleasant to travel in — than the current alternatives.

 

As for the economics, by Musk's calculations the machinery inside the tube is relatively cheap — about $60 million or so. While the tube itself would cost $6 billion to build along Interstate 5 in California, if the Hyperloop ran at regular intervals it could pay for itself with passenger fares of $20 a ride over 20 years, at several million passengers a year. Musk contends the Hyperloop would work best for distances less than 900 miles; longer than that, airplanes make better sense.

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 23:37

http://www.neowin.ne...h-mass-transit/

http://www.neowin.ne...transit-system/

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 23:08

Its Monday already I want to know what it is already.



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 23:24

Its Monday already I want to know what it is already.

Well it's Monday for us... :p



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 23:33

I can't wait to shoot planes out of guns at the arcade.



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 23:36

Segway 2.0, this time with side cars!



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 13:14

Its Monday already I want to know what it is already.

Elon is still in bed. :p



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:19

Still waiting Elon ...

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 20:57

wow Elon Musk just tweeted this 

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 21:00

Hmmm ... looks suspiciously like the Pan Am jet from 2001.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 21:05

this is the complete pdf file

 

http://www.spacex.co...ha-20130812.pdf



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 21:06

Will this be a US only thing, or will the technology be adapted for global use ?



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 21:11

looks like there is more coming

Btw, this is not the very latest version. Will post an updated version with several late arriving corrections in a few hours.



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 21:14

This does not say why this is cheaper then a monorail. A monorail has they same things with its track as this does. On pylons and mass manufactured. It is still expensive to build and Disney has found buses to be cheaper



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 21:39

Posted Today, 22:14

This does not say why this is cheaper then a monorail. A monorail has they same things with its track as this does. On pylons and mass manufactured. It is still expensive to build and Disney has found buses to be cheaper

 

 

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The total cost of Hyperloop in this 
analysis is under $6 billion USD. Amortizing this capital cost over 20 years and 
adding daily operational costs gives a total of about $20 USD (in current year 
dollars) plus operating costs per one-way ticket on the passenger Hyperloop.
 
page 8
 
The current contender for a new transportation system between southern and 
northern California is the “California High Speed Rail.” The parameters 
outlining this system include:
1. Currently $68.4 billion USD proposed cost
2. Average speed of 164 mph (264 kph) between San Francisco and Los 
Angeles
3. Travel time of 2 hours and 38 minutes between San Francisco and Los 
Angeles
a. Compare with 1 hour and 15 minutes by air
b. Compare with 5 hours and 30 minutes by car
4. Average one-way ticket price of $105 one-way (reference)
a. Compare with $158 round trip by air for September 2013
b. Compare with $115 round trip by road ($4/gallon with 30 mpg 
vehicle)