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#46 Torolol

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:29

what i really doesn't like from current prison system is that its the law-abiding citizen 'duty' to foot the prison' bill in form of taxpayer money,
which pretty much also indirectly penalized those who doesn't commit any crime to shoulder the burden of crime.

so, what to do?
Privatization of prison,
prison inmates can be converted into cheap labors, or used for medical research.


#47 ScorpioRGc1

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 15:53

No, the original point of prisons was to protect society from dangerous people, a role they still fulfill. Sorry to burst the bubble but what you're obsessing over here is vengeance not justice. Prisons aren't obligated to cater to your personal thirst for vengeance.

Sorry to burst *your* bubble, but that limp-wristed mindset like yours is why the system is so broken now to begin with.  Jail isn't supposed to be the Hilton.  There's no vengeance in what I wrote, it *is* justice.  It's called consequences of violating the laws and moors of our society.  By violating those laws, our society as a whole deems these villains dangerous to a greater or lesser degree.  You're right about the intent was to separate dangerous criminals from the rest of society...but you forgot the part that it is supposed to be punishment as well: a loss of rights for violating the law.  It isn't supposed to be pleasant.  It should be pretty rough to convince these idiots to not do it again.

 

The difference between you and me is I hold people accountable for their choices and actions.  Those who break the law aren't victims.  The ones they hurt are.  I side with the latter.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:00

Sorry to burst *your* bubble, but that limp-wristed mindset like yours is why the system is so broken now to begin with.  Jail isn't supposed to be the Hilton.  There's no vengeance in what I wrote, it *is* justice.  It's called consequences of violating the laws and moors of our society.  By violating those laws, our society as a whole deems these villains dangerous to a greater or lesser degree.  You're right about the intent was to separate dangerous criminals from the rest of society...but you forgot the part that it is supposed to be punishment as well: a loss of rights for violating the law.  It isn't supposed to be pleasant.  It should be pretty rough to convince these idiots to not do it again.

 

So your perfect prison system is exactly what the US system is right now, broken vengeance punishment system, resulting in higher crime and more hardened criminals. congrats. 

 

Yes, 100 years ago the point of prison was to punish people to scare them straight and to scare people away from doing crime. Unlike Americans, the civilized world has learnt that this doesn't work and you reduce crime by rehabilitating criminals, not punishing them. 



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:09

I have a friend who's father was arrested, sentenced and now incarcerated for child porn offenses.  Upon his release, he is allowed full internet access and any monitoring and/or restrictions are opt-in for him.  Apparently it's now a human right.

 

Pathetic!

I think the person you should be most angry at is your friend, for not kicking the ###### out of that paedophile scum. Father or not, kiddie fiddlers deserve no respect and should be castrated as a punishment.



#50 OP KingCracker

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:11

So your perfect prison system is exactly what the US system is right now, broken vengeance punishment system, resulting in higher crime and more hardened criminals. congrats. 

 

Yes, 100 years ago the point of prison was to punish people to scare them straight and to scare people away from doing crime. Unlike Americans, the civilized world has learnt that this doesn't work and you reduce crime by rehabilitating criminals, not punishing them. 

 Look whos holier than thou. 



#51 HawkMan

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:25

 Look whos holier than thou. 

 

Except I speak in facts, real world numbers.

 

I don't go "he's a bad person he needs to be punished, and I'd like to watch"

 

so your "argument" is invalid. 



#52 OP KingCracker

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:33

Except I speak in facts, real world numbers.

 

I don't go "he's a bad person he needs to be punished, and I'd like to watch"

 

so your "argument" is invalid. 

No you call us uncivilized compared to you which makes you hollier than thou. Thanks for playing. 



#53 Lord Method Man

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:35

Sending killers to resorts as "rehabilitation" isn't justice. It's letting them get away with murder.



#54 HawkMan

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:49

No you call us uncivilized compared to you which makes you hollier than thou. Thanks for playing. 

 

Then again, maybe I was merely referencing Dostoevsky



#55 HawkMan

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:50

Sending killers to resorts as "rehabilitation" isn't justice. It's letting them get away with murder.

 

And again, I welcome you to come to the Norwegian prison system holiday resort for a 1-12 month voluntary stay, of course you have to decide how long to stay before you go, and abide by all the rules everyone else there does. and then you can come back here and tell me it's a resort. 



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 16:51

Hahahahahahahaha, nope!  The budget that the counseling and rehab services get is a joke.  Prison hasn't been about rehab for quite some time.

They seem more like massive babysitting services these days.



#57 blade1269

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 17:15

Get rid of all that crap, and pull out all the weights too...if the wanna work out too all the should be able to do is run..

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 17:26

guess I'm heartless..They are better off dead. Thats my form of justice 



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:48

So your perfect prison system is exactly what the US system is right now, broken vengeance punishment system, resulting in higher crime and more hardened criminals. congrats. 

 

Yes, 100 years ago the point of prison was to punish people to scare them straight and to scare people away from doing crime. Unlike Americans, the civilized world has learnt that this doesn't work and you reduce crime by rehabilitating criminals, not punishing them. 

Our system isn't vengeance based, it's based on consequences of actions in accordance to the law...or it is supposed to be.  It is far too soft, to be honest, between corrupt officials and bleeding heart crybabies who clamor and insist that all criminals are victims or misunderstood or some crap.  Sadly, it's broken because there's too many easy-outs and shortcuts, and not enough funds to do things right.  There's other problems too, such as persecution of some criminals doing things that in of themselves should be decriminalized (take pot smoking; if nothing else, I think that should be decriminalized for users who aren't endangering others simply to clear out room in our prisons for actual dangerous perpetrators and to lessen our tax dollar burden and the stress on the judicial system as a whole).

 

But back to your accusations of thinking you know what I believe, my ideal system wouldn't be more akin to none of them should have contact with one another except during 1 hour of exercise a day (no weights; running or walking only).  Smaller cells and solitary confinement for all of them.  The only other time they might see others would be on work detail.  Longer sentences, too; early parole should be abolished.  The point is, I don't want to watch; I want to keep these vile wretches away from law-abiding citizens for as long as possible.  Choices have consequences. We shouldn't have to rehabilitate those who are either too stupid or didn't care enough to act as they are supposed to in the first place.  Juveniles I can understand; rehabilitate (or try to) away.  But I expect more out of grown men and women.



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:51

If so, I wounder why Michel planned prison break!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: