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#31 seta-san

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 04:50

tablets are toys for social media. that is all. if all you do is social media than a tablet will be fine for you. but if you need more power. if you need productivity or the exactness of a keyboard and mouse... a tablet will never work.

 

in the end i think that even tablets will be made obsolete or a niche market by smart phones.




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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:16

In the consumer market lot of people don't actually really need a computer over a tablet. Most people here posting on the forum are pros. We use our personal computer to work. And most of us still upgrade it every 3 years or so. But we represent only a fraction of the consumer market.

Most people don't need a tablet over a computer, either. They don't necessarily need to carry anything around with them but their smart phone. They don't necessarily want to carry tablets around with them everywhere. Some here mention that users on these forums are techies, so need computers more than the average person. Sure, but I bet, being techies, they're also more likely to actually own tablets than the average person, too.

 

I think part of the assumption that tablet will be king is that tablets are friendlier to use... ok, but the younger the market becomes, the more consumers will be tech savvy. Young people use PCs for schoolwork, then don't want to give them up.

 

In the end, I'm thinking we'll see more hybrid devices, like Surface, but better done, more advanced.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:24

You can't play PC games on a tablet.
You can't do effective content creation on a tablet.
You can't program on a tablet.
You can't multitask effectively on a tablet.
 
PC ain't going anywhere.


A tablet can be a PC
A tablet can be a PC
A tablet can be a PC
A tablet can be a PC

So, yeah you can.

#34 HawkMan

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:25

tablets are toys for social media. that is all. if all you do is social media than a tablet will be fine for you. but if you need more power. if you need productivity or the exactness of a keyboard and mouse... a tablet will never work.
 
in the end i think that even tablets will be made obsolete or a niche market by smart phones.


Can it read mail ? Yes, can it surf the web? Yes, can it access their bank ? Yes.

That covers the use for 90% of computer users, for the rest a surface pro will do for most of them, leaving only the core PC gamers.

Toys? Not so much.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:27

A tablet can be a PC
A tablet can be a PC
A tablet can be a PC
A tablet can be a PC

So, yeah you can.

 

not really. a tablet can't run the same quality of software that a PC can... and neither can a laptop. the amount of energy would create massive heat problems and the battery size would make it too heavy to be a worthwhile tablet.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:29

Can it read mail ? Yes, can it surf the web? Yes, can it access their bank ? Yes.

That covers the use for 90% of computer users, for the rest a surface pro will do for most of them, leaving only the core PC gamers.

Toys? Not so much.

 

 

so can my wii. that doesn't mean video game consoles are going to overtake PCs. In the next five years i wouldn't doubt if your new refridgerator wouldn't be able to do these things. even non-smart phones today can do those basic things any more.

 

as i said. smart phones will beat out tablets for the same uses since neither are used for anything very serious.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:33

No. There is a great deal of faulty analysis about how tablets can't replace real PCs because of this or that. That has basically nothing to do with how successful tablets can become.

 

Someone once decided to make a PC that could place phone calls and take pictures, and play a few games on a small screen. This PC can't do half of what a laptop can, and doesn't have a tenth the performance of a mid-range desktop. You can't play complicated games on it - its hardware is too weak and its input methods too clumsy. It's no good at all for any real work, but it quickly became popular because it does things that a laptop or desktop can't do. It's called an iPhone. It occupies different usage scenarios than desktops or laptops - arguably ones that didn't exist before the device itself existed. That's where tablets are going. The argument about whether they can match the performance of "real" PC counterparts is irrelevant. Tablets are a different form factor. The question is what usage scenarios will evolve thanks to the new hardware platform.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 06:11

not really. a tablet can't run the same quality of software that a PC can... and neither can a laptop. the amount of energy would create massive heat problems and the battery size would make it too heavy to be a worthwhile tablet.


A surface pro will run the exact same apps your PC will. So stop talking BS.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 07:47

A surface pro will run the exact same apps your PC will. So stop talking BS.

 

 

yeah. and good luck playing a game like World of Warcraft, as a tablet. even if it can technically render it the touch screen interface isn't optimised for the game. if you get to attaching a keyboard and mouse your tablet becomes nothing by a laptop that you have to buy a keyboard/mouse for.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 07:56

yeah. and good luck playing a game like World of Warcraft, as a tablet. even if it can technically render it the touch screen interface isn't optimised for the game. if you get to attaching a keyboard and mouse your tablet becomes nothing by a laptop that you have to buy a keyboard/mouse for.

so you're saying a tablet can be versatile enough to do what a PC can?  Gasp!  I think that's pretty much what he's saying too!

 

Back to being serious, the consoles will also take a chunk out of the PC market

 

MS has said it before, if they don't cannibalize their own products, someone else will.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 15:04

yeah. and good luck playing a game like World of Warcraft, as a tablet. even if it can technically render it the touch screen interface isn't optimised for the game. if you get to attaching a keyboard and mouse your tablet becomes nothing by a laptop that you have to buy a keyboard/mouse for.

 

It becomes a laptop that I can also disconnect and use as a tablet, and with the surface pro use as a sketching and painting tool with a fully fledged Wacom digitizer. 

 

so as I said, a proper higher end tablet, is a laptop, light gaming machine, office machine, art tool, work tool and so much more all in one. 

 

btw, you have to buy a mouse for you laptop to. and the touch cover or type cover for the surface is pretty awesome. 



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 16:46

I'm guessing those 3 tablets are not powerful windows tablets like the surface Pro. but more in the style of ios, android or RT ?

Of course it's not a Surface Pro, why would I want to use a Surface Pro? Because I like to spend way too much money on weak hardware just because it's in tablet form factor when I'd have to use a keyboard and mouse to be productive on it anyway? The Surface Pro is a good example of why tablets will never replace PCs. Don't get me wrong, the Surface Pro is a cool piece of hardware, but if it were ever to try to replace my PC, it'd require a real keyboard (not the touch type crap, remember, this is replacing my PC) and a mouse, and then at that point, I'd be lugging around more than if I'd just bought a laptop, and the laptop would have been cheaper. The portability doesn't really get much better than a laptop. Who carries their tablet with them everywhere they go? Now, who carries their phone everywhere they go? There you go. When phones have the power, they will replace PCs. Tablets will not.

 

And on top of it all, I wouldn't have to run Windows 8 on the laptop!

 

Don't confuse being ABLE to replace a PC with actually replacing PCs. Yes, if it fits you, a Surface Pro could replace YOUR PC, but it will not be the demise of PCs by any stretch.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 17:07

Just some food for thought, as I am also of the belief that tablets are not taking over anytime soon, however...

I work at a very large corporation. It is in the Top 100 of Fortune 500 companies.
The IT department is currently piloting a few different tablets in a few different divisions. The Surface, Lenevo's ThinkPad Tablet whose name is escaping me right now. And everyone right now in the sales force has iPads. Our IT department would love to replace those since we are a Windows based environment.
The best way to replace iPads? Find a Windows based tablet that can also replace users laptops as well, killing two birds with one stone so to speak.

So yeah, while home power users still very much have a need for a "traditional" desktop or laptop, a tablet may very well be sufficient enough in a corporate setting, and that is a huge market as many of you already know.
 

Really all it needs to do is MS Office for most corporate users. PPT especially. Not that many people in corporations are editing videos or opening Photoshop.

So this may not be that far fetched is all I am saying.

DL, we have been deploying the surface pro's instead of laptops and so far they are exactly we intended them to be, laptop replacements.  We dock them using a usb doc, so the users only have two plugs to plug in. This gives them video, mouse, keyboard, and lan.  The other plug is power.  Users either use it in mirror screen or extended, it depends on the user.  No one has complained and has welcomed the device over a laptop.

 

The entire package we give to our users, surface pro, 2 chargers (one for work, one for home or on the road), a type cover (which is a full button keyboard), a usb dock, a keyboard, a mouse, a monitor, two usb ethernet devices, and two patch cables (one for work  and one for on the road if/when needed).  The pro is more than enough for the majority of our users who mainly vpn in, and open office based applications, as well as web stuff. 

 

 

So I would say that the ability to replace the laptop is quite there, provided you get the right one.  We are a Microsoft and SAP shop.



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 17:35

Of course it's not a Surface Pro, why would I want to use a Surface Pro? Because I like to spend way too much money on weak hardware just because it's in tablet form factor when I'd have to use a keyboard and mouse to be productive on it anyway? The Surface Pro is a good example of why tablets will never replace PCs. Don't get me wrong, the Surface Pro is a cool piece of hardware, but if it were ever to try to replace my PC, it'd require a real keyboard (not the touch type crap, remember, this is replacing my PC) and a mouse, and then at that point, I'd be lugging around more than if I'd just bought a laptop, and the laptop would have been cheaper. The portability doesn't really get much better than a laptop. Who carries their tablet with them everywhere they go? Now, who carries their phone everywhere they go? There you go. When phones have the power, they will replace PCs. Tablets will not.

 

And on top of it all, I wouldn't have to run Windows 8 on the laptop!

 

Don't confuse being ABLE to replace a PC with actually replacing PCs. Yes, if it fits you, a Surface Pro could replace YOUR PC, but it will not be the demise of PCs by any stretch.

 

 

So instead of buying ONe tablet that you could use, and it would also be able to replace or mostly replace your possible laptop, you instead chose to buy THREE useless Tablets you DON'T use...

 

your logic is impeccable. 

 

and how is the Surface pro weak ? it has a powerful CPU, more than enough ram, it's GPU is a bit on the weak side, IF you're gaming, but more than enough for anything else. It also can be equipped with the type cover, not just the "touch crap". add in the super dine wedge mouse and you can carry it everywhere.

 

as for who carries their tablets everywhere. a LOT of people, a lot more cary their laptops with them everywhere to, this replaces the bigger laptop for most of them. 



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 17:43

A tablet is a PC. It's a small mini-computer. It's personal. It's not a desktop, though. But you can do almost anything a desktop will do even now, and in the long term I see them surpassing desktops.





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