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#46 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 16:55

Much agreed.  The external PSU is one of the few annoyances I see with the One, but I don't see it as a deal-breaker.

Exactly. Having an external PSU is unlikely to stop anybody from buying the X1, as most of the time you simply stick it behind the console and forget about it. It's largely irrelevant. I was simply objecting to the notion that it could be considered an advantage and I suspect that if the positions were reversed that people would be defending Microsoft's decision to opt for an internal PSU.




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Posted 20 September 2013 - 16:58

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 17:03

Exactly. Having an external PSU is unlikely to stop anybody from buying the X1, as most of the time you simply stick it behind the console and forget about it. It's largely irrelevant. I was simply objecting to the notion that it could be considered an advantage and I suspect that if the positions were reversed that people would be defending Microsoft's decision to opt for an internal PSU.

 

 

I agree, there are people that will simply be negative about the products they don't like while being universally positive about the ones they like.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 17:14

Here are the numbers I was basing my assessment off:
 
PlayStation 3:
28,7dB — Blu-Ray-movie
35,8dB — DVD-movie
35,8dB — Playing games
23,5dB — Doing nothing
 
Xbox 360:
38,1dB — HD-DVD -movie
35,7dB — DVD-movie
44dB — Playing games
36,0dB — Doing nothing
 
These are based on the original models, so the numbers likely aren't representative of later revisions. As you can see, the Xbox 360 is significantly louder despite the external PSU. Most discussions online state that the X360 is clearly louder than the PS3, so it's not like it's close.
 
If an external PSU doesn't improve the noise profile or reliability of a console then it can only be considered an inconvenience. Therefore your preference is illogical.


Yes? I already said it was louder, but not because of the fans, because of the ridiculously loud DVD drive on the launch models in particular. The thing spun up like a fricken fighter jet.

When comparing just the fan mouse, by playing non disk games for example the 360 was quieter. There v s in fact quite a few complaints about the loud PS3 fans, though it got mostly ignored in the wash of complaints of the loud 360 DVD drive.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 17:21

When comparing just the fan mouse, by playing non disk games for example the 360 was quieter. There v s in fact quite a few complaints about the loud PS3 fans, though it got mostly ignored in the wash of complaints of the loud 360 DVD drive.

Yet the numbers posted show the X360 to be louder even when idling.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 17:37

There has to be a logical reason MS makes the power supply external.  I'm not going to believe that they do it just because they can.  Engineers worked on this console and came to the conclusion that an external power supply was necessary. 

 

Again, I still think MS chose to do that in order to remove as much heat from the console as possible, allowing them to use a large fan to move air but at a lower sound profile. 

 

But I'm also not sure how an external power supply is a disadvantage though.  The only negative I can come up with is an aesthetic issue  (i.e. you don't like how it looks), but is there a technical disadvantage?

 

Comparing this to the ps4 as the evidence that an external is not a good idea seems tough considering there are many different variables between the two consoles.  Of course, if you want to assume that Sony has great engineers and MS has poor engineers, then you can just chalk it up to the X1 being poorly engineered.  That's the easy answer I suppose.

I firmly believe the PSU is external for these two reasons,

- They wanted a silent console which meant a larger fan that needed more space inside it.

- They've had no problems with X360's external PSUs, so it is a known entity when everything else is different.

 

The external PSU is a non-issue mostly and is being talked about only because PS4 has internal PSU. If PS4 is as quiet as XBO, then we can call Microsoft's efforts lacking.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 18:31

I don't think any more than 0.005% of the gaming population would seriously not buy a console because of a power brick. Those that do probably have other issues combined with not liking a power brick. That however doesn't mean you DO like it, you can still own it and hate it. I got rid of most of my external PC hard drives due to annoying power bricks a few months ago, finally ponnied up for a 2TB internal drive.

Why make this thread then?



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 18:36

People are forgetting that if the internal PSU breaks then the whole console needs to be sent back.  Not to mention Microsoft had enough heat related issues with the 360. 

 

As I see it, if it's internal or external, it isn't a deal breaker but I see the logic in it being external.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 20:16



Seriously though.. if you can't find humor in this.. you REALLY REALLY need to lighten up.

 

Yeah, no kidding.

 

I can't see any valid reason to prefer an external PSU, not when the Xbox One is physically larger than the PlayStation 4. In fact the external PSU for the Xbox 360 was responsible for a lot of stability issues, especially when it was placed on carpets or rugs.

 

Certainly not a valid reason, but rabid fanboyism springs to mind.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 20:30

And this is why I'm not as active on the Gamers' Hangout nowadays. (Y)

Amen.

 

And really, is there any question about the power brick on the 360 being nothing short of awful? That does not mean the console is awful. It also does not mean it is inferior in any way to the PS3. However the PSU is a monstrosity and a pain in the ass for anyone who tries to keep a tidy entertainment center such as myself. So a little humor about this fact is a big deal why? 



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 20:35

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#57 theyarecomingforyou

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 20:35

People are forgetting that if the internal PSU breaks then the whole console needs to be sent back.  Not to mention Microsoft had enough heat related issues with the 360.

It's not being forgotten but as I pointed out, and you reiterated, the X360 was more unreliable despite having an external PSU. The external PSU of the X360 should have made it quieter and more reliable than the PS3 and yet the opposite proved to be true.



#58 trooper11

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 21:17

Yeah, no kidding.

 

 

Certainly not a valid reason, but rabid fanboyism springs to mind.

 

 

Its funny how these things play out.  You have your rabid fanboys that can't take a joke, but then you also have those that like to stoke the fire, keep the arguments going, etc. 

 

Its just a twitter joke that is meant to get a laugh and maybe tweak people. 

 

 

 

Amen.

 

And really, is there any question about the power brick on the 360 being nothing short of awful? That does not mean the console is awful. It also does not mean it is inferior in any way to the PS3. However the PSU is a monstrosity and a pain in the ass for anyone who tries to keep a tidy entertainment center such as myself. So a little humor about this fact is a big deal why? 

 

I personally prefer an internal power brick just on the basis of looks, but then since my consoles are in a cabinet, I have yet to see the power bricks, so it has little impact on me.

 

As far as the humor part.  I'm not sure why some can't take it easy, but this isn't exactly a new joke. 

 

Of course some might say they find the one sided nature of these jokes to be tiring.





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