Athernar Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The desktop will disappear just like the command line did before it. It's only a matter of time. http://m.windowsitpro.com/windows-8/windows-desktop-death Metro will likely not last any longer than the life of the current design fads, and will be quickly replaced by a truly modern interface paradigm - not a old bloated XP-esque GUI trying to act like one. The desktop is still a requirement for actual meaningful work, and will continue to be until such time as there is a paradigm to succeed it - not regress it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Are you serious? What about server administration using PowerShell? I administer all my servers via the GUI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisj1968 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Fusion, I appreciate the review. I came to a hard conclusion that, WE HAVE TO make Windows 8/8.1 what we want with 3rd party apps. to give you an analogy of what I mean: When I was in the military, there were times when all we had to eat were MRE's. After a while, the only way to mix things up was to use the included hot sauce packet(the third party element). It was rough... but we learn in the military, as I'm sure alot here were as well in the military, we get by the best we can and do what we can to make things we like. creature comforts i guess. Nick H. and fusi0n 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The desktop will disappear just like the command line did before it. It's only a matter of time. http://m.windowsitpro.com/windows-8/windows-desktop-death The command line technically isn't gone, the GUI just came in and provided more functionality. The Modern UI apps and Start Screen will not replace the Desktop, it doesn't provide greater functionality. Andre S. and fusi0n 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DConnell Member Posted October 22, 2013 Member Share Posted October 22, 2013 The command line technically isn't gone, the GUI just came in and provided more functionality. The Modern UI apps and Start Screen will not replace the Desktop, it doesn't provide greater functionality. Not yet, at least. I can't see any functionality that the desktop provides that Modern can't with a little more refinement. The desktop's main benefit is the greater selection of software available, but that will change with time. And the Start Screen is vastly more functional, to me at least, than the clunky Start Menu ever was. I don't mind the desktop sticking around - it works better with the programs I have - but please don't force the Start Menu on me again! It was the worst "feature" of Windows 95, and shouldn't have been kept for 17 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DConnell Member Posted October 22, 2013 Member Share Posted October 22, 2013 Stop trying, it is not happening, Metro Start Screen is inefficient for desktop users and desktop users know the difference between a Dekstop computer and a tablet that barely can keep up using a browser and some tabs opened. The Start Screen is inefficient compared to the Menu? I can find what I want in seconds looking though the screen - big, easily discernable icons in a layout that I can easily adjust to my liking, as opposed to a clunky text list that I have to dig (either in the Start Menu settings or in the Documents and Settings folders) to make any changes to. Ten minutes adjusting the Screen to my liking, and it's 100x better than the Menu ever was. Of course, Search levels the playing field, but that's not the point I'm making, Dot Matrix 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwizard88 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I agree. It feels like I'm not in control of my computer anymore. I think a major part of that is how sync is accomplished, where I cannot use many features or even programs if I'm not signed into an account with a MS id. And something about the UI just feels... harsh. It's moreso on the metro side, but the desktop style feels "harsh" too. Maybe it's the lack of Aero glass? fusi0n 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Not yet, at least. I can't see any functionality that the desktop provides that Modern can't with a little more refinement. The desktop's main benefit is the greater selection of software available, but that will change with time. And the Start Screen is vastly more functional, to me at least, than the clunky Start Menu ever was. I don't mind the desktop sticking around - it works better with the programs I have - but please don't force the Start Menu on me again! It was the worst "feature" of Windows 95, and shouldn't have been kept for 17 years. The Desktop's main benefit is having floating, resizable windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Well put, I feel the same! Word for word! fusi0n 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 For supposed nerd and geeks you all are really making a bigger deal out of win 8/8.1 than it is, you've lost no control of your system, hell with 8.1 you can just load into the Desktop and not see the Start Screen and completely ignore it if you want, you can install a program to bring back the dumb Start Menu so many are so attached to for some reason, AND you've gained a faster and better OS in the process You all need to stop being such luddites, set aside you irrational hatred of change and realize Win 8.1 is actually really nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0rk_b0mb Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Nice! Did Microsoft send you those beta discs back in the day or what? Good review btw. :) fusi0n 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick H. Supervisor Posted October 23, 2013 Supervisor Share Posted October 23, 2013 But no one uses it anymore. It's not the main feature of the OS like it was. It's been regulated to a tool advanced users use to perform small tasks not easily performed in the GUI.I use the command prompt all the time. Granted, I wouldn't class myself as your normal user, but my point was more that the command prompt has not disappeared. It is readily available for those that want it. We have a choice. If we want to use it we can, but at the same time the average user still has their desktop for a more GUI-friendly view. This is why I struggle to understand the idea that we are being forced away from our traditional desktop for the tablet OS instead of just being given the choice. As Apple have shown, you can have a mobile OS and a desktop OS that work together perfectly fine. Anyway, I'm going to get hold of a copy of 8.1 sometime in the next few days and give it a go. However, like fusi0n I don't think I'll ever be really able to get involved with this direction Microsoft has chosen. Noir Angel and Som 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I use the command prompt all the time. Granted, I wouldn't class myself as your normal user, but my point was more that the command prompt has not disappeared. It is readily available for those that want it. We have a choice. If we want to use it we can, but at the same time the average user still has their desktop for a more GUI-friendly view. This is why I struggle to understand the idea that we are being forced away from our traditional desktop for the tablet OS instead of just being given the choice. As Apple have shown, you can have a mobile OS and a desktop OS that work together perfectly fine. Anyway, I'm going to get hold of a copy of 8.1 sometime in the next few days and give it a go. However, like fusi0n I don't think I'll ever be really able to get involved with this direction Microsoft has chosen. The command prompt is to the desktop in Windows 8.... Buried inside another operating environment. You're looking at Windows 8 as a mobile OS, but what Metro is doing is allowing Windows to scale to any device - big or small. Apple devices are limited by using an upscaled operating system. I can't do nearly the amount of things on an iPad as I can do on my Surface. I can then hop to my laptop or desktop without loosing my workflow. The Metro environment also is beginning to fix many of the grievances the decaying Win32 environment has - sandboxing apps, unified control panel, etc. DConnell 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 Nice! Did Microsoft send you those beta discs back in the day or what? Good review btw. :) Thanks and Yes! I have lots.. lol f0rk_b0mb 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Used 8.0 for a day or two a couple months after it was released. I didnt like it. Been on 8.1 (Enterprise, at work) for a couple days and it is a large improvement. I can live with it now. Still a little ways to go for my liking, but it isnt horrible. Still do not like the start screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardsim7 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 My problem with Windows 8 isn't so much the lack of start menu, it's when you hit the windows button you get blinded by this blue/purple screen. This is even worse if you have multiple monitors. Say you're watching a video on one screen and you just want to launch another app to work on, bam, video gone whilst you search for whatever it is you're looking for I only really use the start menu for launching apps, it brings up a discrete search bar where I can launch practically anything. I do the same in OS X (cmd + space) which at times I prefer because I can do quick simple calculations too! Microsoft has created a touch-screen OS for desktops, and it just isn't working fusi0n 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 My problem with Windows 8 isn't so much the lack of start menu, it's when you hit the windows button you get blinded by this blue/purple screen. This is even worse if you have multiple monitors. Say you're watching a video on one screen and you just want to launch another app to work on, bam, video gone whilst you search for whatever it is you're looking for I only really use the start menu for launching apps, it brings up a discrete search bar where I can launch practically anything. I do the same in OS X (cmd + space) which at times I prefer because I can do quick simple calculations too! Microsoft has created a touch-screen OS for desktops, and it just isn't working Then launch the start screen on the other monitor. You can invoke it on any monitor you have running. Also, you can customize it so it's not purple anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardsim7 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Then launch the start screen on the other monitor. You can invoke it on any monitor you have running. Also, you can customize it so it's not purple anymore. Have they changed it so that it doesn't launch on all screens at once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Veteran Posted October 25, 2013 Veteran Share Posted October 25, 2013 Have they changed it so that it doesn't launch on all screens at once? Yup. It doesn't blank out or affect what's on the other monitor anymore, either. I run Skype on my second monitor while I'm gaming. Dot Matrix 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Have they changed it so that it doesn't launch on all screens at once? Yeah, metro is now able to run independently of your monitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardsim7 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Hmm, even so, I don't like that it takes up the whole screen rather than a tiny search bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGeorge Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Upon installing 8.1 I played around with the start screen for awhile, said Meh....still hate you and proceeded to re-install Start8. Once thats done, I like it better than 7. I just wish they hadn't removed disc imaging and the ability to have "Previous Versions" on a single HDD setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazmus Shakib Khandaker Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 An excellent post. Really enjoyed reading your thread! Thanks for sharing! fusi0n 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 that's not really a fair comparison as that was all that was available then the Surface & WP is coming in at at time with those products you mentioned already saturate the market. people go with what they know works. they don't often chance trying something new when it costs a bit of money I keep hearing that excuse but the reality is if it were a compelling product it would sell on it's own merit. It isn't, it's selling slowly. The public are speaking. For supposed nerd and geeks you all are really making a bigger deal out of win 8/8.1 than it is, you've lost no control of your system, hell with 8.1 you can just load into the Desktop and not see the Start Screen and completely ignore it if you want, you can install a program to bring back the dumb Start Menu so many are so attached to for some reason, AND you've gained a faster and better OS in the process You all need to stop being such luddites, set aside you irrational hatred of change and realize Win 8.1 is actually really nice Yes, how silly of us? How dare we voice our own dislike. Because someone else likes it we should just take their word for it and go along with the crowd. Obviously you know more about my usability needs than I do :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooky560 Veteran Posted October 26, 2013 Veteran Share Posted October 26, 2013 For supposed nerd and geeks you all are really making a bigger deal out of win 8/8.1 than it is, you've lost no control of your system, hell with 8.1 you can just load into the Desktop and not see the Start Screen and completely ignore it if you want, you can install a program to bring back the dumb Start Menu so many are so attached to for some reason, AND you've gained a faster and better OS in the process You all need to stop being such luddites, set aside you irrational hatred of change and realize Win 8.1 is actually really nice I keep hearing that excuse but the reality is if it were a compelling product it would sell on it's own merit. It isn't, it's selling slowly. The public are speaking. Yes, how silly of us? How dare we voice our own dislike. Because someone else likes it we should just take their word for it and go along with the crowd. Obviously you know more about my usability needs than I do :pinch: This is quickly becoming an argument, can we stop this now please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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