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#31 Deleted Bye

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 17:03

 

Only in the US could they find a way to privatise the police state and bill innocent people after subjecting them to unreasonable searches.

 

Even those convicted of crimes have rights and should not be subjected to such unreasonable searches. We're talking about seven procedures here (1x anal probe; 3x enemas; 2x full body X-rays; and 1x colonoscopy), some of which are incredibly invasive and have risks attached to them. This is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. Further, it is absolutely unacceptable to charge people for the medical tests they are required to take.

 

it may not say it, but what i am betting happened is this. Upon getting stopped, the police of course pull up your plate # and see your info and can see prior criminal history. When they asked him for licence and registration, they probably asked as well if he had any drugs or weapons on his person. Being the type of character that would do this, he probably said "yes, officer, up my ass" in sarcasm. After any mis-read sarcastic remark, the office assumed he was serious (or thought maybe if he said it was there, maybe I won't actual check there) and took him for the checks. As for the # of checks performed, the anal checks are NOT separate instances, but rather all a check. After manual finger inspection, the guy most likly was still going on his "screw authority" and after said "are you sure you didn't find anything? better dig deeper, they are there" .... knowing full well he was trying to gain as much ammo as possible for a lawsuit or media story. Xrays are also done back-back and are NOT separate incidences, Even if so, xrays sometimes must be re-taken for accuracy, maybe the first bunch didn't turn out.

 

separate note: you don't even like the US Constitution, why now do you defend it?




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Posted 07 November 2013 - 17:08

Its happened at least twice now.  Same officers involved.  Same K-9 dog that was NOT re-certified and trained to respond to the handler not identify drugs (certification expired 2011).  Same judge rubber stamping the warrant.  Same out-of-jurisdiction hospital.

 

At some point you do have to look pass the story and see that there are officers working the Deming police department that are abusing their power.  They need to be locked up.

 

It would be some irony if you were driving through Deming, and this same thing happened to you... wouldn't it?  Maybe the officer will pull YOU over and decide he likes your ass.

or how about "ulterior motive"? if i was running drugs, and this one particular officer/judge kept cutting into my bottom line, I too would do something like this to get him fired/transferred/punished etc, what ever it took to get the heat off my back. Sorry dude, I just will never side with the drug pushers, you can if you want but not I.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 17:18

or how about "ulterior motive"? if i was running drugs, and this one particular officer/judge kept cutting into my bottom line, I too would do something like this to get him fired/transferred/punished etc, what ever it took to get the heat off my back. Sorry dude, I just will never side with the drug pushers, you can if you want but not I.

 

You're happy to throw away all liberties in the name of the war on drugs?  Wow.  :o



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 17:24

You're happy to throw away all liberties in the name of the war on drugs?  Wow.  :o

the "liberties" involved are variable, dependent on time/situation/circumstance etc... as with all law.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 17:58

Only in the US could they find a way to privatise the police state and bill innocent people after subjecting them to unreasonable searches.

It's usually not privatized but part of the Department of Corrections. Lab and maintenance work may be contracted out though.

Even those convicted of crimes have rights and should not be subjected to such unreasonable searches.

They are still technically in custody, just released. Their privacy rights are little changed from an incarcerated prisoner who can have their cell searched at any time. They screw up one little bit and it's straight back to prison. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200. Tight leash.

We're talking about seven procedures here (1x anal probe; 3x enemas; 2x full body X-rays; and 1x colonoscopy),
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Multiple parts to one thorough cavity exam. Enemas are a routine prep to the endoscopy & rectal exams, and the x-raus would have to be multiple to cover the full length of the neck, chest, and abdomen because the films are only 17" long. I'd order 3 frontals initially and a side view of any suspicious regions.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 18:02

when the police fail to prove anything from the probe, its the police who should foot the bill.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 18:04

If you can't do the time, or bear the cost of the probation, don't do the crime.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 18:06

If you can't do the time, or bear the cost of the probation, don't do the crime.

 

So you think it's fair and just to be forced into multiple procedures and forced to pay for them? Even when innocent of the suspected crimes?



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 18:31

when the police fail to prove anything from the probe, its the police who should foot the bill.

earlier i suggested how it could have went down, If these exams were under the suspects false admission, and caused by his lying intentionally to have them done, he should have to bear the cost.

 

example: if someone calls and lies about a building on fire, and the fire department comes, the caller who made the intentionally fake fire call is liable for all costs of the emergency call out.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:22

earlier i suggested how it could have went down, If these exams were under the suspects false admission, and caused by his lying intentionally to have them done, he should have to bear the cost.

That's complete speculation and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that. Further, even if that were the case the sheer number of the procedures, the fact that nothing was found, the fact that the first hospital refused to carry out the procedures on ethical grounds and that the suspect was faced with medical bills clearly demonstrates the unreasonable nature of the incident. Nobody, whether a convicted criminal or not, should have to undergo such invasive procedures without merit and be forced to foot the bill.

 

It saddens me that anyone considers this sort of behaviour reasonable or justifiable.
 

If you can't do the time, or bear the cost of the probation, don't do the crime.

According to the article the man was "known" for carrying drugs inside his body but it doesn't mention any arrests or parole. Further, he was refused a phone call and the search warrant wasn't valid in the region in which it was carried out. The police were clearly at fault here. As for the woman, there was no search warrant against her and no mention of any arrests or parole.

 

The US appears to be modelling its criminal justice system on that of Nazi Germany.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:32

Now that's what I call, a ###### situation!



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:34

That's complete speculation and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that. Further, even if that were the case the sheer number of the procedures, the fact that nothing was found, the fact that the first hospital refused to carry out the procedures on ethical grounds and that the suspect was faced with medical bills clearly demonstrates the unreasonable nature of the incident. Nobody, whether a convicted criminal or not, should have to undergo such invasive procedures without merit and be forced to foot the bill.

isn't it also speculation that his story is accurate? (in the sense of how things happened)



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:39

isn't it also speculation that his story is accurate?

That has no relevance as I made no such speculation.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:41

All this probing going on sounds more like an Alien invasion :D



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 19:41

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