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Neowin and The First Amendment

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If Neobond is available, I think perhaps it may be worth his while explaining how the US First amendment has bearing on Neowin.  As a privately owned site, outside of US jurisdiction - I've seen a few idiots and trolls post nonsense and then attempt to hide behind their US rights.  Do they apply here?  Or is Neobond's word, the final say here (as I assume it is and should be).

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A troll is a troll and is dealt with accordingly.

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Agreed, however, I am intrigued by the subject this raised.  The assertion that someone feels their opinion and free-speech is protected by a legal clause that being a citizen of a nation state affords - I think that's either arrogant of ignorant, and possibly a clarification can be helpful.  I've seen such posts a few times, and linking to this could clear up said issue.

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The first amendment only means the government can't punish you for speaking your opinions; it does not apply to private web sites like Neowin.

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Agreed, however, I am intrigued by the subject this raised.  The assertion that someone feels their opinion and free-speech is protected by a legal clause that being a citizen of a nation state affords - I think that's either arrogant of ignorant, and possibly a clarification can be helpful.  I've seen such posts a few times, and linking to this could clear up said issue.

Thrackerzod is correct, nobody's entitled to post whatever they want on Neowin, all the first amendment really says is that the government can't stop you from speaking your mind.

 

EDIT: Although I get how some people might point to the first amendment as an example of how a system like Neowin "should be run," but that has absolutely no legal holding, it's just them saying what they think is more "moral."

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The above is correct. There will be no repercussions from the government for what you say. We are not the U.S. government. :)

We do have our own rules, though. Everyone still has the right to petition for redress of grievances, appeals, etc, but they are at the discretion of the admins and site owners.

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all the first amendment really says is that the government can't stop you from speaking your mind

 

True.  A lot of people misunderstand (deliberately at times) their own national rules.

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Thank the lord that America doesnt own Neowin. 
I couldnt imagine this website run by bunch of loons who are all 'me me me me america f**k yea'

That would drive me nuts :/

Oh and on that note, im free to say this without repercussion - get stuffed NSA :D

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Thank the lord that America doesnt own Neowin. 

I couldnt imagine this website run by bunch of loons who are all 'me me me me america f**k yea'

That would drive me nuts :/

Oh and on that note, im free to say this without repercussion - get stuffed NSA :D

That would kinda stink. We have staff members from all over the world.

And yeah, the NSA does kinda suck. :)

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The people who try to claim First Amendment rights on internet forums should at least read the first five words of the law that they are trying to hide behind.

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People have whined about that for years on websites that they sign up for and consequently agree to the rules of.  If Steve wanted to ban the word 'blue' he's well within his rights to.  This is not a public place, it's a membership based website.

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Thank the lord that America doesnt own Neowin. 

I couldnt imagine this website run by bunch of loons who are all 'me me me me america f**k yea'

That would drive me nuts :/

Oh and on that note, im free to say this without repercussion - get stuffed NSA :D

Imagine if it was run by Australian's.

'F**k off we're bloody full mate" :p

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Thank the lord that America doesnt own Neowin. 

I couldnt imagine this website run by bunch of loons who are all 'me me me me america f**k yea'

That would drive me nuts :/

Oh and on that note, im free to say this without repercussion - get stuffed NSA :D

Really? I think for the most part you would see that not to be the case. It drives me nuts that most of the time its other nationalities trying to convince me their way of life is best for me..

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People have whined about that for years on websites that they sign up for and consequently agree to the rules of.  If Steve wanted to ban the word 'blue' he's well within his rights to.  This is not a public place, it's a membership based website.

 

^ This. We are a private website and it is similar to when you are invited to someone's house for a party. If you get drunk, pee on the floor and barf on the plants, you will be asked to leave. :punk: :beer:

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Thank the lord that America doesnt own Neowin. 

I couldnt imagine this website run by bunch of loons who are all 'me me me me america f**k yea'

 

I only see those who don't live here saying stuff like that.

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This will not be a continuation of an argument from a previous thread. Stay on topic, please

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I only see those who don't live here saying stuff like that.

Really? I think for the most part you would see that not to be the case. It drives me nuts that most of the time its other nationalities trying to convince me their way of life is best for me..

America is just an easy place to target due to overabundance of media, which gives a platform for the dumb to be heard (e.g. MTV Reality shows, Fox News\General News, Westboro Baptist Church).  Every country has it's problems, it's just easier to make fun of the easy target instead of accepting those problems.

 

 

^ This. We are a private website and it is similar to when you are invited to someone's house for a party. If you get drunk, pee on the floor and barf on the plants, you will be asked to leave. :punk: :beer:

This is absolutely the best analogy for this! Private website leaves all rules up to the discretion of the owner\operator\admins, not the Government (Thankfully)

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Peeps need to know at least the basics of their constitution and its amendments.

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Peeps need to know at least the basics of their constitution and its amendments.

And it stops when you are on or using private property.  Neowin is a privately owned forum not to mention one that is not in the U.S. Whoever pays the bills gets the say on what goes and what doesn't. 

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^ This. We are a private website and it is similar to when you are invited to someone's house for a party. If you get drunk, pee on the floor and barf on the plants, you will be asked to leave. :punk: :beer:

Not entirely true :P :rofl: 

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Not entirely true :p :rofl:

 

Indeed, if anything, it's when the party is just getting started! :rofl:

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Thank the lord that America doesnt own Neowin. 

I couldnt imagine this website run by bunch of loons who are all 'me me me me america f**k yea'

That would drive me nuts :/

Oh and on that note, im free to say this without repercussion - get stuffed NSA :D

 

So can I, and I'm in the US.

 

Just thought you might want to know it's not really a problem here.

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And it stops when you are on or using private property.  Neowin is a privately owned forum not to mention one that is not in the U.S. Whoever pays the bills gets the say on what goes and what doesn't.

Yep!

It is not hard to follow Neowin's policies. They are common sense and legal.

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It's quite obvious that the First Amendment has no bearing on websites, whether in our out of the US.  Particularly (as has been mentioned) because it's about the United States government making laws.  That being said, it's a little childish to create a whole thread because of a disagreement in another thread.  It's the internet.  Get a thick skin and move on.  If someone has views that are that diametrically opposed to yours arguing about it on a forum will most probably not change them.

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Think of it this way....
 
This is not a democracy, this is the United Sites of Neowin :p
 

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