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#16 OP Forjo

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 15:58

I've always done upgrades and it's been extraordinarily rare that I've had problems. Rare enough to be completely overshadowed by all the extra work it takes to download, install, and configure all the software on my system.

 

When going from 7 to 8 I had a few issues but I later found out they were caused by roaming profiles -- and they followed me when I reloaded my laptop after getting a new SSD and being unable to clone the old one.

 

And clean installations can also be much more difficult when you have to go out and find drivers -- especially if you only have one computer and the first driver you need is the one for your network card.

 

Regardless, users have the choice when going from 7 to 8. Convincing them with verbiage on the web site that they have to buy 8.1 to upgrade from 7 is very misleading and detrimental.

 

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 16:06

Windows 8 with MCP was free initially.

Even I still have a copy/key somewhere and I never had it on Windows 7.

that was just a promotion that was run for awhile. and if you haven't used the key then it's expired now as they had a time limit to be used



#18 notchinese

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 16:07

microsoft at it again what they can do best. provoke and money-milk innocent users. looks like a over 90% market share down from 98% is still way too much for microsoft to finally get the beasics right. if you do an upgrade/update, the most important thing users expect is that they can keep their files. its not the users having to worry about it, its the company should taking care of this. even more so if they happily take every single cent of your moneypocket. also: consistency! as a long time linux user, updates are updates thanks to an update manager based on packages.

how many different rootes microsoft had tortured users with? starting from win 95 where - afaik - you could use cds bought as updates as regular installations, moving to win 98 where had to insert both installation mediums and enter the keys to being able install a version bought as upgrade as full version, then what they did with xp was introducing many many more versions and that ridiculous thing called activation where you even if you upgraded to a new graphics card it basically flagged your win copy as pirated, and so on.

:shiftyninja:

 

This thread is for Windows users.



#19 -Razorfold

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 16:07

Incredibly, Microsoft on their site and in the Microsoft store, is ENCOURAGING users who are running Windows 7 to choose Windows 8.1 when upgrading. What they don't tell you is that only Windows 8 will allow you to keep your currently installed applications. If you go straight to 8.1 you will lose any installed programs and have to reinstall them. This is not an issue if you buy Windows 8 and upgrade to 8.1 later.

Um I'm pretty sure that they do tell you, when you put in your disc and click upgrade it checks a bunch of stuff and then WARNS you that if you proceed with this upgrade you will lose the following applications. I know that in the past whenever I've upgraded OSes it has given me that warning and I doubt MS suddenly removed it for 8.1.

I agree. Upgrading from 7 to 8 should include a free install of the Media Center pack. Its absurd that going to Windows 8 will remove WMC from your machine and you have to pay MS just to get the exact same thing installed again.

You can blame the media companies for that. It costs something like $10-$25 to get dvd / bluray playback on your PC and the license is only valid for that particular software. So even if they owned the licenses for DVD playback for Win 7, MS would have to pay for a new license for W8. Something that they weren't willing to do, and instead chose to make the cost of Windows cheaper. It's why Windows cannot natively play bluray, MS isn't willing to pay for it.

Now what they should have done was removed the dvd playback functionality and kept Media Center but still.

#20 Riva

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 16:12

Really? where does it say that?

Are you sure you are not upgrading 32-bit to 64-bit?



#21 Eric

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 16:19

I just did this last week and it upgraded everything straight from 7 to 8.1. The only things it wanted uninstalled or wouldn't migrate were things that weren't compatible like MSE.



#22 Gotenks98

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 16:29

I've always done upgrades and it's been extraordinarily rare that I've had problems. Rare enough to be completely overshadowed by all the extra work it takes to download, install, and configure all the software on my system.

 

When going from 7 to 8 I had a few issues but I later found out they were caused by roaming profiles -- and they followed me when I reloaded my laptop after getting a new SSD and being unable to clone the old one.

 

And clean installations can also be much more difficult when you have to go out and find drivers -- especially if you only have one computer and the first driver you need is the one for your network card.

 

Regardless, users have the choice when going from 7 to 8. Convincing them with verbiage on the web site that they have to buy 8.1 to upgrade from 7 is very misleading and detrimental.

 

-Forjo

You have been lucky thats all. I am surprised you didn't have issues with the upgrades.



#23 -Razorfold

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 16:31

Really? where does it say that?
Are you sure you are not upgrading 32-bit to 64-bit?

When you click the upgrade button on the installer it usually will do a pre-upgrade check and then give you a list of incompatible programs or programs that will be removed.

I don't know about the upgrade from Win 7 -> 8.1 because I've never done that but I know for sure that the upgrade from Vista -> 7 would give you a giant list and also in some cases the upgrade from 8 -> 8.1 does. Which is why I find it odd that MS wouldn't include the same functionality for an upgrade to 8.1 from 7.

#24 Gotenks98

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 18:17

When you click the upgrade button on the installer it usually will do a pre-upgrade check and then give you a list of incompatible programs or programs that will be removed.

I don't know about the upgrade from Win 7 -> 8.1 because I've never done that but I know for sure that the upgrade from Vista -> 7 would give you a giant list and also in some cases the upgrade from 8 -> 8.1 does. Which is why I find it odd that MS wouldn't include the same functionality for an upgrade to 8.1 from 7.

It will let you go up one OS only not 2. The changes from 1 OS to 2 OS versions is too different. It should at least allow you to keep documents though. Either way I still say its better to clean install. http://technet.micro...y/jj203353.aspx



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 18:27

Just more confusion for users from Microsoft. For Microsoft Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 are two entirely separate OS releases; akin to Windows 7 and Windows 8. The average user has a hard time seeing this distinction. The average users sees Windows 8.1 as an update for Windows 8 and expect it to work as such.

 

Hopefully, Microsoft starts simplifying this stuff at someone point...



#26 OP Forjo

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 18:31

You have been lucky thats all. I am surprised you didn't have issues with the upgrades.

Luck has nothing to do with it. These products are designed to be upgraded. If you follow some simple guidelines (like keeping your system free of junk) then you won't have many (or any) problems either.

 

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 18:34

Um I'm pretty sure that they do tell you, when you put in your disc and click upgrade it checks a bunch of stuff and then WARNS you that if you proceed with this upgrade you will lose the following applications. I know that in the past whenever I've upgraded OSes it has given me that warning and I doubt MS suddenly removed it for 8.1.

 

Yes, it does warn you. But this is AFTER you have purchased 8.1. You don't have an option at that point to refund the product and go back to 8.0. And if you look at the site, they say that 8.0 is only for Vista and XP users (which ironically, also have to reinstall programs).

 

So if an uninformed user follows Microsoft's directions, they'll purchase a product which will NOT fully upgrade their systems as they might expect.

 

Hence this thread.

 

-Forjo



#28 HawkMan

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 18:38

I've used Windows Media Center almost every day since 2005ish, for a PVR on a Windows based PC nothing else comes close at the moment. Got mine setup with a Quad DVB-T2 tuner (Freeview HD) happily using the Xbox 360's as Media Center Extenders.

I think its a real shame Microsoft have basically given up on Media Center, the Xbox One cant even act as an extender.

 

MediaPortal. 

granted WMC is useless over here anyway since MS don't allow you to manually search digital channels or edit the frequency list, and since they haven't gotten lists from any providers here, you can't use it with  tuner anyway. Now I don't use a tuner anymore though so I just use plex since it has syncing automatically across all my devices and two media centers. if there where any reasonably priced tuner cards with a CI+ slot and at least dual tuners that could use the same card, then I could go back to full HTPC setup. 


You have been lucky thats all. I am surprised you didn't have issues with the upgrades.

 

Upgrades are fine and work 99.9% of the time. This anti upgrade crusade amongst the so called "techs" is getting ever more ridiculous. 


Yes, it does warn you. But this is AFTER you have purchased 8.1. You don't have an option at that point to refund the product and go back to 8.0. And if you look at the site, they say that 8.0 is only for Vista and XP users (which ironically, also have to reinstall programs).

 

So if an uninformed user follows Microsoft's directions, they'll purchase a product which will NOT fully upgrade their systems as they might expect.

 

Hence this thread.

 

-Forjo

 

Though people who have actually done 7-8.1 upgrade says ti works and keeps all the installed software... so...



#29 OP Forjo

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 18:50

Upgrades are fine and work 99.9% of the time. This anti upgrade crusade amongst the so called "techs" is getting ever more ridiculous. 


 

Though people who have actually done 7-8.1 upgrade says ti works and keeps all the installed software... so...

True that.

 

You only get to keep your installed software (according to the installer itself) if you go through 8.0 first. Do you know anyone who has gone directly from 7 to 8.1 without going through 8 and have kept their applications?

 

Thanks!

 

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#30 Gotenks98

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 19:00

True that.

 

You only get to keep your installed software (according to the installer itself) if you go through 8.0 first. Do you know anyone who has gone directly from 7 to 8.1 without going through 8 and have kept their applications?

 

Thanks!

 

-Forjo

It can't be done. Thats 2 OS jumps. The tech net link I posted shows this. Anyone claiming such needs to post picks or it didn't happen.