jnelsoninjax Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 ST. JOHNSBURY, Vt. (AP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yea, saw this earlier. Got a good laugh out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Lowe says the judge told him he could've been found in contempt of court. That could've meant a fine or jail time. Lowe says the juror instructions don't restrict clothing, but that he's happy to be released because of his work schedule and family obligations. Source The above 2 statements would seem to contradict each other. How can the judge find him in contempt if there are no instructions regarding acceptable clothing? Last time I checked, ignoring common sense or attempting satirical humour wasn't actually illegal. Dick Montage 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I think "Contempt of court" lacks clear definitions and can be interpreted by the judge at the time. Bryan R., Roger H. and xendrome 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The above 2 statements would seem to contradict each other. How can the judge find him in contempt if there are no instructions regarding acceptable clothing? > Though juror conduct standards vary from one district court to another based on what each Chief Judge sets as his courts rules, most all Michigan courts have an "appropriate attire" or "business casual" dress code. It's not a standard that's read to each jury on arrival but it is in the info packet you get when the appearance letter comes and is posted online. The call is made by the trial court judge, and many are real sticklers about everyones appearance and demeanor in their court room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 It's not a standard that's read to each jury on arrical but it is in the info packet you get when the appearance letter comes. I refer you back to the OP. Lowe says the juror instructions don't restrict clothing So, apparently not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 And its still a judgement call by the trial judge under the general conduct rules, which are always a factor. It would likely be considered disruptive. Very much a no-no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagjohn Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 They should have picked him for the longest jury trial they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 And its still a judgement call by the trial judge under the general conduct rules, which are always a factor. It would likely be considered disruptive. Very much a no-no. Oh sure, in general I'd agree with you. It's definitely a stupid thing to do, but if there's no actual dress code in the jurors instructions, then technically he's broken no rules that he could be prosecuted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Anything that violates the general court conduct rules can being an instantaneous contempt ruling, and the hammer comes down fast. Don't mess with US judges or magistrates, even in traffic or ordinance courts. I've seen prosecutors, defense attorneys, observers, witnesses etc. go straight to a cell from the court room by running afoul of the trial judge. They have a very broad discretion and use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 this Lowe dude seems smart enough to check for "the code" before deciding to do his antics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysonacoffebreak Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 What's with the jury duty in the US may I ask? Is it a "must" for everyone or...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 What's with the jury duty in the US may I ask? Is it a "must" for everyone or...? Any adult who is not excused (jurors request) or disqualified for some reason; physical or mental health; disability; dementia; legal status or some other viable excuse, can be called for jury duty and you must appear. Once in the general Jury Pool you can be assigned to a jury, and in each case there is a process (voir dire) for vetting each juror for prejudices, conflicts of interest etc. The defense and prosecutor also have some number of jurors they can dismiss for no reason, known as a peremptory challenge. There are federal and state jury systems, with each state having its own rules. There are also two types of juries: petite and grand. Generally, a petite jury is a trial jury and a grand jury investigates and recommends charges, if any. In some states a grand jury is a judicial panel, and in others it is a citizens panel operating under the guidance (but definitely NOT under the control) of the county or state prosecuting attorney. In some states like Michigan they can be either. In Michigan we also have a one-man grand jury, a single judge, usually created for special cases such as investigating govt. or court corruption. Once in a trial juries are quite powerful and can actually nullify charges regardless of the evidence. This jury nullification is a check on government or prosecutorial overreach. In a capital punishment case it's the jury that authorizes a death sentence, not the judge, and the decision must be unanimous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysonacoffebreak Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Any adult who is not excused (jurors request) or disqualified for some reason; physical or mental health; disability; dementia; legal status or some other viable excuse, can be called for jury duty and you must appear. Once in the general Jury Pool you can be assigned to a jury, and in each case there is a process (voir dire) for vetting each juror for prejudices, conflicts of interest etc. The defense and prosecutor also have some number of jurors they can dismiss for no reason, known as a peremptory challenge. There are federal and state jury systems, with each state having its own rules. There are also two types of juries: petite and grand. Generally, a petite jury is a trial jury and a grand jury investigates and recommends charges, if any. In some states a grand jury is a judicial panel, and in others it is a citizens panel operating under the guidance (but definitely NOT under the control) of the county or state prosecuting attorney. In some states like Michigan they can be either. In Michigan we also have a one-man grand jury, a single judge, usually created for special cases such as investigating govt. or court corruption. Once in a trial juries are quite powerful and can actually nullify charges regardless of the evidence. This jury nullification is a check on government or prosecutorial overreach. In a capital punishment case it's the jury that authorizes a death sentence, not the judge, and the decision must be unanimous. That sounds kinda...fishy to be honest. I mean sure, in thought it's a good idea but in practice that cant work out every time, right? Bribes, imidation etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Not worth the risk as tampering with a jury is a very serious felony, especially at the Federal level - up to 20 years and if more than one person is involved they could tack on conspiracy charges. No wrist slap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 is there any jury protection programme, like witness protection thingy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blank Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Comon sense would suggest that you can't wear a prisoner outfit to jury duty period. Should've locked him up for the weekend. How funny would his attention seeking be then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Comon sense would suggest that you can't wear a prisoner outfit to jury duty period. Should've locked him up for the weekend. How funny would his attention seeking be then. He most likely did it deliberately to avoid Jury Duty,and when confronted against legal-powered common sense (like what the judge doing), he answered with the authoritative legal text (which may or may not common sense compliant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Most judges I know would blow a friggin' gasket if a juror pulled that stunt. As in turn red with their forehead veins throbbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted June 14, 2015 MVC Share Posted June 14, 2015 Most judges I know would blow a friggin' gasket if a juror pulled that stunt. As in turn red with their forehead veins throbbing. Why do you know so many judges? Ian W 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeChipshop Member Posted June 14, 2015 Member Share Posted June 14, 2015 Lucky b*stard, smart too. Wish i'd thought if this when i did mine in 1997, the most boring two weeks of my life. Luckily there was a "lack of crime" and we got let off 4 days early on full pay. Comon sense would suggest that you can't wear a prisoner outfit to jury duty period. Should've locked him up for the weekend. How funny would his attention seeking be then. I'd take a weekend in jail over two weeks on jury duty again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Why do you know so many judges? Family friends, neighbors, relatives (3 are lawyers who served as judges at one time), and I've been a juror several times. In a city of 50k we have 6 just in the local district court, and 2 live in our sub. It's really not that unusual since many US judges, and almost all in Michigan, are elected and you meet them during campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedOak Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 When summoned for jury duty, I called, told them I was Training Officer for the State Dept. of Correction, and would feel very uncomfortable sitting on a jury for cases which may involve inmates I had known from the jails/prisons in the state. The head of the jury selection committee said "Nice try" I asked what would happen if I showed up in my DOC uniform. He replied "Good one", and I never heard from them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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