DocM Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 NASA Advisory Council (NAC) takes up nuclear propulsion & power and Red Dragon July 26 at NASA Glenn. 2 sessions: 0800-1215 and 1530-1700 eastern. https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/07/08/2016-16185/nasa-advisory-council-technology-innovation-and-engineering-committee-meeting The meeting will be open to the public up to the capacity of the room. This meeting is also available telephonically and by WebEx. You must use a touch-tone phone to participate in this meeting. Any person interested in joining the meeting may call the USA toll-free conference number 1-844-467-6272, passcode 102421 followed by the # sign. If dialing in, please mute your telephone. The WebEx link is https://nasa.webex.com/, the meeting number is 998 519 793, and the password is Technology16$ (case sensitive). The agenda for the meeting includes the following topics: Welcome to NASA Glenn Research Center and Remarks Space Technology Mission Directorate Update Nuclear Propulsion and Power Overview SpaceX Red Dragon Partnership Overview Chief Technologist Update Unobscured Vision and Draggendrop 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DocM Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 NASA Red Dragon presentation to the US House committee. 2 sections starting on pgs 17 and 32 http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/technology_innovation_engineering_committee_report.pdf Unobscured Vision 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 NSF thread about todays Red Dragon NASA phone news conference. In the thread are the audio in MP3 and the slides in PDF. http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41231.0 Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Inverse story: https://www.inverse.com/article/21281-nasa-spacex-red-dragon-mission-mars Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Arcadia Planitia is top left Edited March 19, 2017 by DocM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 If they're looking at < 40 LAT and as low elevation as possible then they'll need to move the candidate sites to Amazonis and Acidalia too. Much lower elevation there and a lot more real estate to choose from, plus there are confirmed subsurface ice deposits throughout the region that perhaps will intersect a candidate LZ. I'm not sure where the borderline is with Arcadia/Acidalia (seems like they'd be one and the same, really) but to my thinking SpaceX planners would want to really keep a more open mind about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 For a first test where the main goal is just landing in one piece they may not want to contaminate a prime site if something goes wonky. Unobscured Vision 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 59 minutes ago, DocM said: For a first test where the main goal is just landing in one piece they may not want to contaminate a prime site if something goes wonky. Agreed. I thought this was for the main mission. For testing, agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Jeff Foust's full Space News SpaceX landing sites story. http://spacenews.com/spacex-studying-landing-sites-for-mars-missions/#sthash.mJuwMJZr.dpuf SpaceX studying landing sites for Mars missions SpaceX's "Red Dragon" concept envisions using a Dragon spacecraft with only minor modification to land on the surface of Mars as a precursor to later human missions. Credit: SpaceX THE WOODLANDS, Texas SpaceX has been working with NASA to identify potential landing sites on Mars for both its Red Dragon spacecraft and future human missions. In a presentation at a symposium here March 18 on planetary surface exploration and sample return, Paul Wooster of SpaceX said the company, working with scientists at NASAs Jet Propulsion Laboratory and elsewhere, had identified several potential landing sites, including one that looks particularly promising. Wooster, who is involved in Mars mission planning in addition to his day job as manager of guidance, navigation and control systems on SpaceXs Dragon spacecraft, said that site selection is based on several criteria. One is access to large quantities of ice near the surface that could, ultimately, support human settlements. Another is to be close to the Equator and at a low elevation for solar power and better thermal conditions. Its probably hard to find that along with ice, he acknowledged, so the focus has been on four locations at latitudes no more than about 40 degrees from the Equator. Wooster said the study identified four regions in the northern hemisphere of Mars that met those basic criteria. Three of the regions Deuteronilus Mensae, Phlegra Montes and Utopia Planitia looked attractive in images from a medium resolution camera on the Mars Reconnaissiance Orbiter called CTX, he said, but appear rockier in high-resolution HiRISE images. The team at JPL has been finding that, while the areas look very flat and smooth at CTX resolution, with HiRISE images, theyre quite rocky, Wooster said. Thats been unfortunate in terms of the opportunities for those sites. A fourth region, Arcadia Planitia, looks more promising in those high-resolution images. What theyve found is basically few or no rocks, and a polygonal terrain that they think is pretty similar to what was seen at Phoenix, he said, referring to NASAs Phoenix spacecraft, which landed in the north polar regions of Mars in 2008. Those landing sites are of particular interest, he said, for SpaceXs long-term vision of establishing a human settlement on Mars, but he said the company wouldnt rule our sending Red Dragon spacecraft elsewhere on the planet to serve other customers. Were quite open to making use of this platform to take various payloads to other locations as well, he said. Were really looking to turn this into a steady cadence, where were sending Dragons to Mars on basically every opportunity. The Red Dragon spacecraft, he said, could carry about one ton of useful payload to Mars, with options for those payloads to remain in the capsule after landing or be deployed on the surface. SpaceX is a transportation company, he said. We transport cargo to the space station, we deliver payloads to orbit, so were very happy to deliver payloads to Mars. When SpaceX announced the Red Dragon program last year, it planned to perform the first launch as soon as the spring of 2018. Last month, however, SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell said it was likely that mission would shift to the next Mars launch window in mid-2020. Wooster said the slip didnt have anything to do with issues with the mission itself. Overall, we just had a lot of things on our plate at SpaceX. Its not anything specific to Red Dragon, he said. Unobscured Vision and Jim K 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted March 20, 2017 Subscriber¹ Share Posted March 20, 2017 I always love when we get tangible news that something is happening for this. Makes me so excited! Unobscured Vision 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) This is very real. The Red Dragon 1 vehicle is being built by the new Dragon Hatchery in the Triumph Aerostructures-Vought factory near the Hawthorne Airport. Several more Red Dagons are on the manifest. They will be both before the first ITS landings as precursors and after them. Triumph pulled out of producing Boeing 747 parts after Boeing moved production to Macon, GA so there's open factory space. Edited March 20, 2017 by DocM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I'm doing my best not to get too excited over all this. After all, their timescale for their Mars mission is rather short and they still have yet to put men in space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Much of the holdup is NASA taking 6 months to do milestone approvals the contract guaranteed would take 2 months, plus several years of reduced funding due to the sequester. As of now, the first Crew Dragon un-crewed flight to ISS is November, and a crewed (2) flight there 6 months later. Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, DocM said: Much of the holdup is NASA taking 6 months to do milestone approvals the contract guaranteed would take 2 months, plus several years of reduced funding due to the sequester. As of now, the first Crew Dragon un-crewed flight to ISS is November, and a crewed (2) flight there 6 months later. Oh I know that, I just think that, given the delays forced on them, their timescale for Mars is... unrealistic at best. Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Quote Wooster, who is involved in Mars mission planning in addition to his day job as manager of guidance, navigation and control systems on SpaceXs Dragon spacecraft, said that site selection is based on several criteria. One is access to large quantities of ice near the surface that could, ultimately, support human settlements. Another is to be close to the Equator and at a low elevation for solar power and better thermal conditions. Its probably hard to find that along with ice, he acknowledged, so the focus has been on four locations at latitudes no more than about 40 degrees from the Equator. Wooster said the study identified four regions in the northern hemisphere of Mars that met those basic criteria. Three of the regions Deuteronilus Mensae, Phlegra Montes and Utopia Planitia looked attractive in images from a medium resolution camera on the Mars Reconnaissiance Orbiter called CTX, he said, but appear rockier in high-resolution HiRISE images. The team at JPL has been finding that, while the areas look very flat and smooth at CTX resolution, with HiRISE images, theyre quite rocky, Wooster said. Thats been unfortunate in terms of the opportunities for those sites. A fourth region, Arcadia Planitia, looks more promising in those high-resolution images. What theyve found is basically few or no rocks, and a polygonal terrain that they think is pretty similar to what was seen at Phoenix, he said, referring to NASAs Phoenix spacecraft, which landed in the north polar regions of Mars in 2008. All four sites would be pretty snazzy for science returns. But Arcadia Planitia ... sure, the real estate is nice and smooth, and fairly level. Would be an easy LZ to nail ... lemme grab the specular analysis and see what's lurking there. Watch this space. DocM and Draggendrop 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) As promised ... (and my apologies that they weren't up sooner -- Forum Maintenance prevented it.) ... where I think SpaceX is looking at. What we've got here is the extreme eastern side of the ultra high-res section of Arcadia Planitia. I've highlighted the "go areas" that SpaceX will consider putting RD down at. These areas are relatively rock-free, smooth, and as level as possible. What's more, these areas also hold to my hypothesis that "the soil is darker when subsurface ice or moisture is present in greater quantities". The darker the soil, the more ice and/or moisture it'll contain and at a closer surface level. These two areas are a sample of what SpaceX are looking for. These aren't the only locations, of course. They are the lowest of elevations in their immediate areas, and the most likely to contain subsurface hydrates and ices. I've chosen two LZ's based upon those criteria as well as the likelihood of a successful landing. I submit these purely as an exercise for peer review. LZ Coordinates can be seen in the lower corner of each image for each LZ. Please enjoy. Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (Third LZ image got mangled somehow. ) Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggendrop Veteran Posted March 21, 2017 Veteran Share Posted March 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Unobscured Vision said: (Third LZ image got mangled somehow. ) This will be the start of the Martian Route 66.......rovers ready...... Unobscured Vision 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Draggendrop said: This will be the start of the Martian Route 66.......rovers ready...... Let's put up a Gas'N'Go, DD! Complete with an In-And-Out Burger! Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Bigelow can put up a few Budget Suites Draggendrop and Unobscured Vision 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Now all we need is @DocM to slap together a Command Center and we'll have ourselves an Outpost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draggendrop Veteran Posted March 21, 2017 Veteran Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'll take the first shift....and I'm not coming back (staying on Mars).....period. Unobscured Vision 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobscured Vision Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'll take second shift ... and I'm really not coming back ... to Earth, that is. Draggendrop 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Set up a Debian cluster and display wall, get creative with the infirmary diagnostics hardware, air gap as required, not a problem. Draggendrop and Unobscured Vision 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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