Evanescence new Album?

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

I think the whole idea of "selling out" doing the "media way of making a record" don't really exist except in a fan's mind.

It's all fine and good then a band gets too big and sells out and supposedly leaves it's fans behind. Well basically I think this doesn't actually happen, but in reality it's some kind of minority thing, or anti-mainstream movement. It's all good to like something, new, underground, or unique, Until everyone else likes it then those very same people who liked it turn on it for no other reason other than it's "mainstream".

The whole thing just makes no sense. I have a feeling that if Lacuna Coil were to somehow all of a sudden go "mainstream" that alot of thier fans would leave to, and not because thier music sucks, but because the fans who activley seek out little known music in certain genres aren't necessarilly looking for great music or whatever, but are merely looking for something that other people aren't listening to so they can feel better about themselves and how unique they are.

Me I'm taking a wait and see attitude on this album, but I'm sure it'll be better than ny Lacuna Coil offering, because I'm not a huge fan of thier lyrics. Evanescence seemed superior to them so far from everything I've heard from them both.

[sanctified Veteran]

I think the whole idea of "selling out" doing the "media way of making a record" don't really exist except in a fan's mind.

It's all fine and good then a band gets too big and sells out and supposedly leaves it's fans behind. Well basically I think this doesn't actually happen, but in reality it's some kind of minority thing, or anti-mainstream movement. It's all good to like something, new, underground, or unique, Until everyone else likes it then those very same people who liked it turn on it for no other reason other than it's "mainstream".

The whole thing just makes no sense. I have a feeling that if Lacuna Coil were to somehow all of a sudden go "mainstream" that alot of thier fans would leave to, and not because thier music sucks, but because the fans who activley seek out little known music in certain genres aren't necessarilly looking for great music or whatever, but are merely looking for something that other people aren't listening to so they can feel better about themselves and how unique they are.

Me I'm taking a wait and see attitude on this album, but I'm sure it'll be better than ny Lacuna Coil offering, because I'm not a huge fan of thier lyrics. Evanescence seemed superior to them so far from everything I've heard from them both.

I think you fail to see the point that mainstream is not the same as well known and that non-mainstream is not the same as underground, you can get big.

Lacuna Coil is hugely well known in europe and I dont see fans complaining, and, about your opinion about them, well, I cant argue with that because its, like I said, your opinion, but then I dont know how you can compare them if you dont know Lacuna Coil that well (like you said)

[QuantumTrickery]

I didn't mean it as a good thing. I just meant the old "Rock Star" persona that people used to percieve. It was especially big in the 70's and 80's, everyone wanted to be a big rock star. The movie called Rock Star is an example of what i'm talking about. No, I don't support what the music industry is doing by making music that appeals to the masses. It is however what is happening on a daily basis for quite some time now. There are exceptions to the rule as you've mentioned.

Tool isn't my favorite band, but I respect your devotion to their music, and I understand what it is to have that feeling about a certain band. Bands like Tool, Metallica (Metallica being my favorite band) have proven themselves over and over again with their music. They both have the freedom to do what it is they want to do. They can make their music, not have it sell well, and still draw in massive audiences at concerts (where all the money is truly made anyways) Why can they do that? Respect and devotion from their fans. They'll both stand the test of time, for years to come.

Things are different now, than they once were. Being liked by the masses is what these bands have to do to stay afloat. I don't like their strangle hold on the artists. Especially Clearchannel, who is known for taking out bands at the knees when its something they don't want.

I'd like to believe in a perfect world that bands could start at the bottom playing clubs, and working their way to stardom by doing things their way, and their way only. This is why we need to boycott the things that are happening out there now. My hope is that the bands that change themselves to get the break they need, will eventually have the freedom to do things their way. Selling your soul to the devil is a terrible way to acheive your goal, but what else can they do? That's what I'm hoping with bands like Evanescence. The talent is there, and hopefully with the success comes the freedom to take things more in the direction they want.

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

No I own 3 LC albums, I know they're big in Europe, but here in the States they're not that big at all(Although I think they did tour here this year). I just plain think Evanescence is better, I think Amy Lee has better vocals, although LC's Scabbia is hotter, I think Evanescence has better writing, and a better sound, that's how I'm comparing them.

Now of course I'm not necessarily right since Art is all subjective, so I'm not trying to say liking one over the other is wrong.

My mainstream comment however is a trend here in the US that I seem to notice, I'm not going to even pretend I know how it goes down in other parts of the world, because I don't have a clue. I checked out some kids today selling back a bunch of small band cd's and instantly realized they were posers, so when I asked where their Britney Spears cd's where they replied "dude, we soo aren't mainstream". They're the people I mean, the ones who truly sell out in a strange quest to not sell out with the rest of the masses.

[sanctified Veteran]

I didn't mean it as a good thing. I just meant the old "Rock Star" persona that people used to percieve. It was especially big in the 70's and 80's, everyone wanted to be a big rock star. The movie called Rock Star is an example of what i'm talking about. No, I don't support what the music industry is doing by making music that appeals to the masses. It is however what is happening on a daily basis for quite some time now. There are exceptions to the rule as you've mentioned.

Tool isn't my favorite band, but I respect your devotion to their music, and I understand what it is to have that feeling about a certain band. Bands like Tool, Metallica (Metallica being my favorite band) have proven themselves over and over again with their music. They both have the freedom to do what it is they want to do. They can make their music, not have it sell well, and still draw in massive audiences at concerts (where all the money is truly made anyways) Why can they do that? Respect and devotion from their fans. They'll both stand the test of time, for years to come.

Things are different now, than they once were. Being liked by the masses is what these bands have to do to stay afloat. I don't like their strangle hold on the artists. Especially Clearchannel, who is known for taking out bands at the knees when its something they don't want.

I'd like to believe in a perfect world that bands could start at the bottom playing clubs, and working their way to stardom by doing things their way, and their way only. This is why we need to boycott the things that are happening out there now. My hope is that the bands that change themselves to get the break they need, will eventually have the freedom to do things their way. Selling your soul to the devil is a terrible way to acheive your goal, but what else can they do? That's what I'm hoping with bands like Evanescence. The talent is there, and hopefully with the success comes the freedom to take things more in the direction they want.

you see? thats why I like to talk with you.

To be honest there are still certain recent bands that are going to keep rock in a good level, bands that like you said started playing in clubs and now, they are huge but not mainstream, Radiohead is the oldest example, Sigur Ros next to them, I think europe has the key for the next classic music (well, they have it since the 70's :p) I suggest you to give some of those bands a try, so, I think its still possible to bands to become huge and still maintain themselves

[Syanide]

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i wouldnt say its gonna be mainstream, and therefor bad (there is good mainstream music...). id listen to it before i judge it.

but still, you might b right.

i have two of their albums, and they are pretty much different... weird. i guess youre right, but some people might consider the new sound even better.

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[Apollo]

You guys are all forgetting Evanescence is going to have a very different sound since Moody is out and i trust Cold's ex-guitarrist (Balsamo) to play some good rock with some great melodies in it and that's going to be very interesting, lets wait and see.

[Blindlabel013]

Evanescence = most overrated band.

[Apollo]

Evanescence = most overrated band.

a sentence like that can also be applied to the Beatles but still they have millions of people who love them heh..

[Syanide]

^^ i wouldnt go that far.

^i wouldnt compare evanescence to beatles.

[insanekiwi]

my gf will bug me now and tell me to buy it for her upcoming birthday. :no:

[Apollo]

^^ i wouldnt go that far.

^i wouldnt compare evanescence to beatles.

i'm not comparing their music but the truth is Ringo Star is THE WORST DRUMMER EVER!!! :laugh:

*don't mind me*

now seriously... the reason i made that statement is that many people don't think Evanescence has any talent, just make some catchy tunes, suck, sold out and **** but just think about the beatles, their talent wasn't anything special and they made some ****ty catchy tunes (*thinks obladi oblada) so it's kind of the same but no one is comparing the music or the decade here.

Just because Evanescence is *popular* you people have the need to say their music sucks, if you wanna say something sucks just talk about britney because i bet she can suck pretty well. :whistle:

*again don't mind me* my opinion is the suxxors and whatever

Edited July 12, 2004 by Apollo

[Syanide]

Just because Evanescence is *popular* you people have the need to say their music sucks, if you wanna say something sucks just talk about britney because i bet she can suck pretty well. :whistle:

personal experience?

i mean did you listen to it... hehehe.

[Toxikk Veteran]

,Jul 11 2004, 02:14] Didn't they break up :pinch:

i wish

[Ivand]

Oh come on, they arent that bad. Have you listened to My Immortal Acoustic?

[Blindlabel013]

i'm not comparing their music but the truth is Ringo Star is THE WORST DRUMMER EVER!!! :laugh:

*don't mind me*

now seriously... the reason i made that statement is that many people don't think Evanescence has any talent, just make some catchy tunes, suck, sold out and **** but just think about the beatles, their talent wasn't anything special and they made some ****ty catchy tunes (*thinks obladi oblada) so it's kind of the same but no one is comparing the music or the decade here.

Just because Evanescence is *popular* you people have the need to say their music sucks, if you wanna say something sucks just talk about britney because i bet she can suck pretty well. :whistle:

*again don't mind me* my opinion is the suxxors and whatever

Hmm, no they suck. I hate mainstream, wanna know why? Because you're right all it takes is a "Obladi Oblada. I mean come on Nightwish is 100x better sounding then Evanescence, and so is Within Temptation. Where are they? Still in Europe because America's mainstream taste in music is bad. People don't even like rap for the lyrics, they like it for the beat. Do you see what is wrong with that picture?

[Toxikk Veteran]

Oh come on, they arent that bad. Have you listened to My Immortal Acoustic?

i have.

and tbh, i dont really feel like hearing her whine about god all the time. :ninja:

[Syanide]

Hmm, no they suck. I hate mainstream, wanna know why? Because you're right all it takes is a "Obladi Oblada. I mean come on Nightwish is 100x better sounding then Evanescence, and so is Within Temptation. Where are they? Still in Europe because America's mainstream taste in music is bad. People don't even like rap for the lyrics, they like it for the beat. Do you see what is wrong with that picture?

i didnt know nightwish werent popular in america.

it actually surprised me to see them over here on tv.

yeah, america sucks :p

[Blindlabel013]

Lacuna Coil - Heaven's A Lie is better. Oh and what is this? They also have an acoustic version of the song Lacuna Coil - Heaven's A Lie - (Studio Acoustic). Really don't say mainstream is good until you've heard underground or other stuff that isn't mainstream in the US.

[Starman]

Growing up with REAL rock music from the 60's to the 80's, I can't stand what they call "rock" nowadays. After the meltdown of the Seattle-based garage bands, there's probably more crap out there than the music industry knows what to do with. You never hear anyone quoting most lyrics from the last 10 years, but I'll bet everyone here knows Beatles lyrics. One of my gripes with modern music is that there are a LOT of bands that burn out too fast, whereas the opposite was true when I was growing up. People lasted FOREVER, to the point where they're STILL writing and touring.

Today's music is so prefab; I can't stand it. That's why I like Evanescence so much. They seem to really take those rock roots and use them without sounding like every other pseudo-rock band that's out there now. There are people that think Nickleback or Queens of the Stone Age are the best things to happen to rock and I just roll my eyes and listen to some Eric Clapton.

I'm not saying that Evanescence is the end-all, be-all of modern rock, but they are a refreshing change.

Mike

[Garrett Socling]

See, I've always felt that Nickleback and Effernesense, effervensese, effing whetever were on the same page. Junk.

Effervesense isn't crap? I've never understood why anyone could listen to them...

Of course, I've only heard that one song that they play obsessively on the radio, so maybe I can't judge them fairly.

[Apollo]

I agree with the mainstream american thing and that Nightwish and Lacuna Coil are better but Evanescence HAS a good sound. Tourniquet, Imaginary, Hello and My Immortal are pretty good songs.

[Ivand]

i have.

and tbh, i dont really feel like hearing her whine about god all the time. :ninja:

:ninja:

[Apollo]

Of course, I've only heard that one song that they play obsessively on the radio, so maybe I can't judge them fairly.

AH! That's how most of the people judge music nowadays!

People say Nickelback sucks and **** but only listen to the singles and i say Nickelback is a very good ROCK band but people ONLY listen to the singles which get tiresome and aren't that great.

[Blindlabel013]

Personally I feel like The White Stripes is/was the best thing to happen to mainstreams rock.