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[Andy1369]

http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthu...rott_50051.html

So, it looks like Beta 2 will be 5372, and it will be released two days earlier...

What bothers me is, why 5372? That's not too far from 5342 or 5365.

Hmm...

[obsolete_power]

It is due to the fact that Beta 2 will be released in May so it will not be too far from the current build number (5342)

[NienorGT]

Beta2 was not suppose to be cancelled for only a pack of CPT?

[TheNay]

stated in a chat today that Beta 2 is coming, and thats when people will get the media released to them via mail. I never got any yet and they said major milestones only come in the mail (I opted for it) and yeah.

But build numbers don't mean much it seems, 5372 may seem like a low #, but each number doesn't mean one bug fixed, I forget how it works but its confusing.. thanks for the info Andy13

Edited by Simon, 23 April 2006 - 13:29.

[+Rudy]

MS doing something BEFORE the deadline? i cant believe it

[statm1]

Well someone mentioned in the ngs that they "heard" beta 2 was 5375.. So who knows..

[Skoogie]

damn... vista dont excite me anymore. probably 5372 will have all windows component (ie,defender,mail,dvd maker,wmp11,calendar etc) to be fully working or at least 95% usable. and probably some minor polishing on the UI as well. i hate the feeling when i can say "err, i think i saw beta 2 back in early april.. oh wait, thats 5342"

[Aeden]

They are already running compiles in the winmain branch that are in the 537x range. Beta 2 will most DEFINETELY be higher than 537x. If they somehow don't give us a build by the end of this month, and then don't have much else to say; and, for some odd reason, Beta 2 is a 537x-range build, I'll be deeply surprised.

And lastly, remember guys, its THURROT. There's no reason to believe him over a straight, un-edited, quote from Microsoft in the NGs. When they say it, I'll believe it.

Given the fiasco surrounding 5365, its hard to believe they'll give it to us. But I'll give Thurrot the little benefit of the doubt, since Donnelly said something like "we're not giving 5365 to you today". Nevertheless, I'd take Thurrot's words with more than a grain of salt. I'd take them with the entire salt shaker.

Edited by the_ubernated, 21 April 2006 - 10:30.

[Jordan M.]

calm ubernated

[Aeden]

^^ I'm not angry. But I just hope people don't start believing him again, and then, when what he says doesn't happen, more negative sentiment towards the Beta team grows. That's what worries me, if anything at all.

[Northgrove]

For MS to have time to stabilize the beta 2 build, I believe they'd need to branch it at least about a month before its release, which isn't too far from now (it basically IS pretty much now), which would make a build like that possible. Of course, "winmain" builds would be much further ahead at the time, but MS won't take a build from that branch and just release it at release day.

That's at least what's usually happened with the CTP builds, and why CTP build numbers are clearly lower than the bleeding edge builds at the time of the CTP release. One can't point at where Microsoft will be in a month from now and say "these builds will be much higher" if discussing a stabilized build like Beta 2. In build tag speech, you only can if talking about winmain and not idx builds.

As for Thurrott, I have no problem with his predictions; they should just be taken like any early estimates. I have no doubt he's actually getting these numbers from actual Microsoft employees, however, things change, and Thurrott usually assumes his readers are aware of that. More often than not, they aren't, which leads to all these flames on Neowin for not nailing down the details correctly and "lying to us" when the most likely causes are change of plans and not nearly as many evil intents to mislead either from him or Microsoft.

Edited by Jugalator, 21 April 2006 - 11:45.

[NightmarE D]

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calm ubernated

I thought the whole post they made sounded very calm and they have the right to say whatever they want. If he wants to say a few words about Paul Thurrott, then he can. I think lately little Paul has proven how much of a jerk he is and if people have something they want to say about him then let them.

Like I said in the comments on the frontpage about Pauls new rant. He ranted and got a suppossed build number for beta 2 from someone at Microsoft. He whined like the little kid he is to get something out of them. That's how he works and it's sad. With how immature he is now, I could only imagine what he was like as an actual kid.

As far as that build number being beta 2, it just doesn't sound right. Then again it really wouldn't surprise me if it was right. They use old builds as the releases all the time. Just look at the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 that JC leaked compared to the older and official build Microsoft released. But I thought for sure that BETA 2 would be a 54XX build since it wouldn't be out until May.

Edited by NightmarE D, 21 April 2006 - 11:43.

[freak_power]

I said a long time ago that RTM is going to be 59XX build

[selphj]

Folks, if you are a valid beta tester than you've been told by Microsoft several times that ANYTHING posted in the private newsgroups is under NDA. Please do NOT post what Wendy or anyone else said.

[Tech_Dude_5000]

the_ubernated, on Apr 21 2006, 04:19, said:

^^ I'm not angry. But I just hope people don't start believing him again, and then, when what he says doesn't happen, more negative sentiment towards the Beta team grows. That's what worries me, if anything at all.

Agreed