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The Great UAC Debate!


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#496 cork1958

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 09:52

The SECOND thing I do with ANY computer I touch is disable this PITA POS "feature"

First thing I do is turn the machine on!!

If nothing else, this thing has helped me wreck more machines than saved me. Get so mad seeing it pop up, especially when on a laptop with out a mouse plugged in, that trying to click continue on it, I have screwed stuff up with those equally as irritating touchpads!

Glad to see that most users here run as admin and have never been saved by this POS, irritating technology!!


#497 Kaedrin

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 11:25

View PostSeizure1990, on 10 January 2011 - 23:13, said:

Erm, I could be wrong, but I don't think the UAC activates for background tasks, only user-activated ones. At least, I can only assume so, seeing as I don't get UAC requests every 5 seconds for every system service or process that happens to go off at any time.

You are correct if you mean that background tasks will not active a user UAC prompt. UAC flat out kills those. A great proof of this was psexec. If you wanted to install software silently, running that tool when Vista first came out required you used the true "Administrator" account credentials (UAC disabled by default), disable UAC for all administrators via Group Policy, or just disabled it system wide. Otherwise it went squish due to UAC.

#498 +ViperAFK

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 03:16

View PostKaedrin, on 27 January 2012 - 11:25, said:

You are correct if you mean that background tasks will not active a user UAC prompt. UAC flat out kills those. A great proof of this was psexec. If you wanted to install software silently, running that tool when Vista first came out required you used the true "Administrator" account credentials (UAC disabled by default), disable UAC for all administrators via Group Policy, or just disabled it system wide. Otherwise it went squish due to UAC.

He's sort of right, in that services do not need UAC prompt, but a program has to install the service in the first place which does require a prompt. Programs like steam for example will use a background service, so installing games doesn't require UAC prompt.

#499 rafter109

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 03:37

I manage a PC repair shop and find that a vast majority of the virus infections we encounter are on XP machines where UAC is not present. On the Vista and 7 machines that do get virus infections, they tend to be less severe. UAC is not a cure-all and was never intended to be. The purpose of UAC is to require user intervention when a program requires access to protected areas (Registry, program files, system files, etc.) The idea behind this is to get the user to stop and verify before allowing the program to run. While I would agree that there are times when UAC becomes obtrusive (you cant directly edit files in protected directories), in general it has become second nature. I have personally had it save me as well. I was checking the news one day and as the ads were rolling over I got a UAC prompt for privilege escalation on a randomly named exe. I was able to use the UAC prompt to stop it and run a full scan with my AV to ensure the virus did not infect my system. All said and done, anyone would be foolish not to use a quality internet security product whether or not you choose to use UAC. I'm sure this will probably start a war with the thrifty among us but free != quality, quite the contrary. None of the free AV products have solid detection and removal records across the multitude of testing labs.

#500 olger901

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Posted 30 May 2012 - 20:55

I'm using it on Microsoft Windows 7. Not saying it sacred, but it does provide an additional layer of protection in some cases and doesn't cost that much reasons, so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be there. In most business I generally configure it to ask for a password additionally, so if a user has local admin rights and forgets to lock his computer that another user can't start any application in Administrator mode without knowing the users password.

#501 Kaedrin

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 13:43

View PostViperAFK, on 25 May 2012 - 03:16, said:

He's sort of right, in that services do not need UAC prompt, but a program has to install the service in the first place which does require a prompt. Programs like steam for example will use a background service, so installing games doesn't require UAC prompt.

Sorry, I phrased that poorly. I was only referring to background processes that execute through an interactive desktop user, not non-interactive system services.


Actually the Steam service only facilitates registry changes without UAC elevation on behalf of a game prior to its first launch, and maybe change some registry ACLS here and there if a game keeps preferences in the system hive (very rare with modern games). It also helps Steam update without UAC elevation. It does nothing else.


Now, far as the file system goes, installing games on Steam does not call on UAC because the Steam client installer alters the ACLS on the Steam directory (defaults to "%ProgramFiles%\Steam" or "%ProgramFiles% (x86)\Steam" based on your Windows architecture). This directory is set so the "Users" group always gets "Full Control" over everything inside. If you strip this ACL away, the Steam client can no longer function for limited users, but if Steam launches as an Administrator it will automatically add the ACL back and then limited users can use it again. (And this is why I slap the Steam directory with harsh AppLocker whitelist only rules; any user and any processes running as a user can insert code into the Steam directory)


At no time does Steam automatically bypass UAC for...
...launching a game.
...third party copy protection activation or deactivation.
...installation of third party redistributions such as PhysX, DirectX, OpenAL, etc.


All of those trigger UAC elevation.


Fun fact: If your logged in as a limited user and Steam calls on UAC elevation during first launch of a game, when you enter your admin credentials everything related to redists as well as the game itself will execute as your admin user. This normally only happens the first time ever you launch that game on that install of Windows. As a side effect, if the game places its save files in the user profile, all saves during that first launch go to the admin directory that UAC authenticated and not your limited user. If you played a lot during that first session, you then have to go find your saved games in that admin profile and transfer it to your limited profile.


UAC becomes much more beneficial if you are using it in conjunction AppLocker policies in Windows 7 or 8, and in Vista if you use the more limited Software Restriction Policies that AppLocker replaces. (Note that home edition of 7 doesn't get AppLocker, and only 8 Enterprise will get AppLocker which is why I've already moved back to using Windows Server as my desktop environment for 2012 Release Preview.)

#502 NeoandGeo

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 13:53

Never used it, never been affected negatively. It's good for your grandma, I think that's about it.

#503 HawkMan

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 14:47

View PostDaveBG, on 11 January 2012 - 13:26, said:

UAC can save your ass from some viruses (basic ones) but will cause you much more personal mental problems. So i prefer it off.

after all the hundred page threads about uac on this forum since vista, it amazes me that there still are people who dont know what uac does and thinks its just a elevation dialog.