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Vista SP1's Slipstreaming Mess!

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[quote][b][i]"Can I slipstream Windows Vista SP1 into an existing install image?"
[/i][/b]Nope. Well, not directly, anyway.

[b][i]"Um.. but when I get SP1, I want to upgrade my deployable .WIM images with the new bits. I can't do that in an offline way like I can with other updates?"
[/i][/b]Sorry. No.

[b][i]"Are you going to tell me why?"
[/i][/b]Absolutely! You don't think I would have opened up this nasty can of worms without giving you a good explanation, did you?

[b][i]"Well..."
[/i][/b]Okay. So here's the deal. And those of you who have experienced the SP1 installation have experienced this as well. When you do the SP1 installation, even if it's from Windows Update (when available), you're going to see your machine shutdown and restart on it's own several times. That's to be expected. See, there's this important part of the OS known as the "servicing layer" in Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008. This is the part of the OS that allows for easy update installation with minimal disruptions, allows for an update to be applied to an offline captured image that's within a .wim file, among other things. Well... let's say that that servicing layer ALSO needed to be updated? What then?

[b][i]"Oh.. I get it. You can't update the thing that makes the updates happen smoothly, because the thing that makes updates go smoothly is itself being updated!"
[/i][/b]Bingo. You got it. So hopefully the news that you can't just do an offline upgrade to an image .WIM file won't be too tragic.

[b][i]"So.. what do I do instead?"
[/i][/b]You are going to have to install your image to a machine. Install the Service Pack. Then re-capture the image.

[b][i]"Simple!"
[/i][/b]Not so simple. There are additional steps that involve some cleanup once you've sysprepped your newly updated SP1 machine. Detailed steps are available in the [url="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=94BB6E34-D890-4932-81A5-5B50C657DE08&displaylang=en"]new WAIK[/url] documentation.

[b][i]"Won't I lose a valuable re-arm to my image when I apply the service pack this way?"
[/i][/b]No. SP1 grants you an additional re-arm. We don't want you to be penalized for having to generalize a system that additional time.

[b][i]"Wait... there's a new WAIK?"
[/i][/b]If you're using the WAIK ([url="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=94BB6E34-D890-4932-81A5-5B50C657DE08&displaylang=en"]Windows Automated Installation Kit[/url]), you will definitely want to [url="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=94BB6E34-D890-4932-81A5-5B50C657DE08&displaylang=en"][b]get the new version[/b][/url][b] [/b]that has support for both the original Vista as well as the new servicing layer that's in both Windows Vista SP1 and [url="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008"]Windows Server 2008[/url].
Of course, the easiest way to do this all would be to get a copy pre-slipstreamed SP1 version of [url="http://www.windowsvista.com/"]Windows Vista[/url] from Microsoft when it becomes available, and start with that as your new installation base. If you're not doing any other custom image management, that's definitely the easiest solution. Just add it to your own [url="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/solutionaccelerators/bb963909.aspx"]Microsoft Deployment[/url] workbench or use it to build your new images from there.[/quote]
[url="http://blogs.technet.com/kevinremde/archive/2008/02/09/i-can-t-do-what-why-can-t-i-create-my-own-slipstreamed-installation-of-windows-vista-sp1.aspx"]See Source[/url]

On other notes, [url="http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=618741&view=findpost&p=589197174"]Microsoft made its own slipstreamed image available to its MVLS partners[/url]!

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Yeah Vista made things completely more complicated....for what reason again?

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[quote name='hardgiant' post='589198388' date='Feb 10 2008, 10:41']Yeah Vista made things completely more complicated....for what reason again?[/quote]


Its NEW AND IMPROVED!!! That's why...... :rolleyes:

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So we cant install SP1 until Vista is installed :(

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[quote name='Foub' post='589198396' date='Feb 10 2008, 05:50']Its NEW AND IMPROVED!!! That's why...... :rolleyes:[/quote]


Don't you just LOVE the new and improved, POS!!

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[quote name='hardgiant' post='589198388' date='Feb 10 2008, 10:41']Yeah Vista made things completely more complicated....for what reason again?[/quote]
Because everyone else makes things simple and Microsoft doesn't want to follow the trend! Obviously -_-

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I think Micrsoft will offer soon images with SP1 already integrated.
They'll be circulating with torrents.
And they'll be cra... :shifty:

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[quote name='DJ Prem' post='589198406' date='Feb 10 2008, 12:00']So we cant install SP1 until Vista is installed :([/quote]

umm well when SP1 is releaed MS i also releaseing new install media with SP1, these are the ones that will be sold to utomers after SP1 is released as well.

This seems more to relate to making your own slipstream media, without haign the updated disk yourself, but from your own, but it also explains how to make it sort of from wht I can gather so I don't see the problem.

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WTF?

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the more complex/complications the more the ppl wont use it...

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[quote name='hardgiant' post='589198388' date='Feb 10 2008, 06:41']Yeah Vista made things completely more complicated....for what reason again?[/quote]
Only for SP1. From SP2 on you should just be able to drop the update in the UPDATES folder on the CD image and everything should proceed automatically from there when you go to install

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[quote name='cork1958' post='589198433' date='Feb 10 2008, 11:19']Don't you just LOVE the new and improved, POS!![/quote]


I switched over 6 months ago to something better.

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Images with SP1 integrated exist.

Just ignore MS and get elsewhere - Not great on MS' part, but it solves your issue as an end user.

(the images have come from SP1 discs MS sent to manufacturers, they aren't some user mash ups)

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[quote name='Audioboxer' post='589198710' date='Feb 10 2008, 15:13']Images with SP1 integrated exist.

Just ignore MS and get elsewhere - Not great on MS' part, but it solves your issue as an end user.

(the images have come from SP1 discs MS sent to manufacturers, they aren't some user mash ups)[/quote]


This surely goes againt what you just said doesnt it?

[img]http://i25.tinypic.com/mbn7eg.png[/img]

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[quote name='Swiftie' post='589198815' date='Feb 10 2008, 16:25']This surely goes againt what you just said doesnt it?

[img]http://i25.tinypic.com/mbn7eg.png[/img][/quote]

I assumed you couldn't get them from MS from what everyone else was saying.

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[quote name='Swiftie' post='589198815' date='Feb 10 2008, 16:25']This surely goes againt what you just said doesnt it?[/quote]

Looks like he's agreeing to me? That shot shows MS have released SP1 integrated ISOs themselves, and Audioboxer just said MS SP1 integrated ISOs are out there, so I'm not sure what you mean?

Edit: Oh I see what you mean. Yes so they are available from MS, but not to everyone.

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slipstreaming is generally for advanced users, I dont think the average joe will slipstream his vista install.

and its not like thier even stopping you from doing it at all or installing updates. its not exactly hard to run a .exe and click a few buttons after install now, is it.

plus, MS are releasing slipstreamed images to retail now anyway.

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You ever think that microsoft made it difficult for a reason...mainly so ppl dont pirate it, or worse average idiots dont start trying to slipstream and clog up the tech support lines....besides the documentation is there on technet, and its in the WAIK, if you cant figure it out then you shouldnt be even attempting it....Microsoft does things for a reason....and as someone said in a previous post if you cant make a few clicks to install the service pack then your just lazy....

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