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School can expel lesbian students, court rules

An appeals panel finds California Lutheran High School in Riverside County is not a business and therefore doesn't have to comply with a state law barring discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Reporting from San Francisco -- After a Lutheran school expelled two 16-year-old girls for having "a bond of intimacy" that was "characteristic of a lesbian relationship," the girls sued, contending the school had violated a state anti-discrimination law.

In response to that suit, an appeals court decided this week that the private religious school was not a business and therefore did not have to comply with a state law that prohibits businesses from discriminating. A lawyer for the girls said Tuesday that he would ask the California Supreme Court to overturn the unanimous ruling by a three-judge panel of the 4th District Court of Appeal.

The appeals court called its decision "narrow," but lawyers on both sides of the case said it would protect private religious schools across California from such discrimination suits.

Kirk D. Hanson, who represented the girls, said the "very troubling" ruling would permit private schools to discriminate against anyone, as long as the schools used their religious beliefs as justification.

"It is almost like it could roll back 20 to 30 years of progress we have made in this area," said the San Diego attorney. "Basically, this decision gives private schools the license to discriminate."

John McKay, who represented the Riverside County-based California Lutheran High School, said the ruling correctly acknowledged that the school's purpose was to "teach Christian values in a Christian setting pursuant to a Christian code of conduct."

The girls were expelled in their junior year for "conducting themselves in a manner consistent with being lesbians," said McKay, who added that the girls never disclosed their sexual orientation during the litigation. Hanson said the girls had been "best friends" and, citing their privacy, declined to discuss their sexual orientation. They are now in college, he said.

The dispute started when a student at the school told a teacher in 2005 that one of the girls had said she loved the other. The student advised the teacher to look at the girls' MySpace pages. One of the girls was identified as bisexual on her MySpace page, the other's page said she was "not sure" of her sexual orientation.

McKay said the website also contained a photograph of the girls hugging.

According to the principal, who called each girl out of class separately, both admitted they had hugged and kissed each other and told other students they were lesbians. The girls said they admitted only that they loved each other as friends.

The principal "just looked at me like I was a disease and I was so wrong," one of the girls later said. They were identified in the legal proceedings only as Jane Doe and Mary Roe.

In ruling in favor of the school, the appeals court cited a 1998 California Supreme Court decision that said the Boy Scouts of America was a social organization, not a business establishment, and therefore did not have to comply with the Unruh Civil Rights Act. That case also involved a discrimination complaint based on sexual orientation.

"The school's religious message is inextricably intertwined with its secular functions," wrote Justice Betty A. Richli for the appeals court. "The whole purpose of sending one's child to a religious school is to ensure that he or she learns even secular subjects within a religious framework."

The school is affiliated with synods that believe homosexuality is a sin, the court said. The school's "Christian conduct" code said students could be expelled for engaging in immoral or scandalous contact, on or off campus.

In addition to their discrimination claim, the girls complained that the school invaded their privacy and detained them unlawfully. The girls complained the principal sat "very close" to them and asked them if they were bisexual, if they had kissed each other, and whether they had done anything "inappropriate," the court said.

Mary Roe said, "He got very close to me and he said, 'Have you ever touched [Jane Doe] in . . . any inappropriate ways? And he looked me up and down when he asked that."

But the court said there was no evidence that the principal had a prurient interest in the girls.

"It is hard to imagine how he could have determined whether they had a homosexual relationship without asking the questions that he in fact asked," wrote Richli, appointed to the court by former Gov. Pete Wilson.

The school also did not break the law when it disclosed the girls' "suspected sexual orientation" to their parents, the court said. The parents, "in light of their right to control their children's upbringing and education, had a right to know why" they were being expelled, the court said.

Hanson said the entire episode was "very traumatic" and "humiliating" for the girls.

Shannon Price Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said the ruling was based on "the particular circumstances of this school."

"Labeling a young person or telling her she is 'sinful' can be psychologically devastating," Minter said. "Regardless of one's religious beliefs, all adults have a responsibility to treat young people with compassion and respect."

School officials could not be reached for comment.

Timothy J. Tracey, litigation counsel for the Center for Law & Religious Freedom, said the ruling "preserves the right of Christian schools in California to make admission and discipline decisions consistent with their religious beliefs."

latimes.com

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Sad times :(

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If the school had views like that then why would make yourself uncomfortable by going there in the first place? If a school was full of white supremists or guys from aryan nation, you wouldn't see me within two blocks of that school. There are other schools out there, it's not the end of the world when your not wanted somewhere.

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If the school had views like that then why would make yourself uncomfortable by going there in the first place? If a school was full of white supremists or guys from aryan nation, you wouldn't see me within two blocks of that school. There are other schools out there, it's not the end of the world when your not wanted somewhere.

I would suspect that their parents had choice in their attendance, not that the girls chose to go that school deliberately despite any challenges to their (alleged) sexuality.

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That's really disgusting... but it doesn't surprise me it's coming from a Christian school. They're probably still deep in the middle ages in other respects too.

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u different. i better. i kills u

That court is full of idiots.

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That's really disgusting... but it doesn't surprise me it's coming from a Christian school. They're probably still deep in the middle ages in other respects too.

Why? Because the school represents certain views and beliefs? So we should force them to change those views and beliefs that many go there for to appease the very few minority? Why not just find a different school?

These people are creating situations where there doesn't need to be any.

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Why? Because the school represents certain views and beliefs? So we should force them to change those views and beliefs that many go there for to appease the very few minority? Why not just find a different school?

These people are creating situations where there doesn't need to be any.

Very thoughtful post, that sums up my thoughts pretty quickly.

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Being ignorant of someones beliefs because its a minority is ridiculous. Oh look more males on earth then females lets not sell dresses. More windows users then mac and linux users lets get rid of mac and linux. More people use old model ipods then the ipod touch lets discontinue it. Doing things just to suit the majority works out really bad. Were they really messing up the school that much for not being some mindless followers believing everything the school reads from a biased book from thousands of years ago?

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Why not just find a different school?

Yes, finding a school that's not run by homophobic religious fanatics sounds like a good idea indeed :yes:

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State schools have been allowed to boot students for failing to demonstrate the institution's values of social tolerance for a while, I'm not sure how this situation is really any different.

If you don't agree with an institution's ideals don't go there. If that means you have to explain to your parents why you'd want to switch schools, then so be it.

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. As much as I disagree with the mentality that homosexuality is a sin, I don't necessarily disagree with the decision. After all, this is a private institution.

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Come on, who doesn't like Lesbians? Its hot!

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. As much as I disagree with the mentality that homosexuality is a sin, I don't necessarily disagree with the decision. After all, this is a private institution.

What he said..

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Come on, who doesn't like Lesbians? Its hot!

Not real lesbians! Real lesbians are Ellen Degeneres, etc.

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Being ignorant of someones beliefs because its a minority is ridiculous. Oh look more males on earth then females lets not sell dresses. More windows users then mac and linux users lets get rid of mac and linux. More people use old model ipods then the ipod touch lets discontinue it. Doing things just to suit the majority works out really bad. Were they really messing up the school that much for not being some mindless followers believing everything the school reads from a biased book from thousands of years ago?

:laugh: Oh the humanity!

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These people are creating situations where there doesn't need to be any.

Yes, that IS what the school is doing, you're right.

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Yes, that IS what the school is doing, you're right.

Well, it comes down to this. Mix Middle Ages with Modern Age, and you get a sitcom!

Schools need to be neutral to their students, views and sexual attraction. Put Christians together and you get Decadence... No not the chocolate type lol

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Why? Because the school represents certain views and beliefs? So we should force them to change those views and beliefs that many go there for to appease the very few minority? Why not just find a different school?

These people are creating situations where there doesn't need to be any.

This (Y)

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Bad decision on the part of the school board.

Excellent decision from the courts. The government should not be given the power to interfere in private organizations, however backwards those might be. Allowing government to force any private organization to adopt a particular view has dangerous implications in other organizations.

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Yes, that IS what the school is doing, you're right.

Yes, the school is within their rights. According to the contract the girls and their families signed (and the article) when they first started attending the school what these girls did broke that contract. What happens when you break a contract with your work? You get let go. Same thing happened here.

That is to say if what the article says is 100% true and the girls were kissing and telling their other friends that they love each other and such.

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Allowing government to force any private organization to adopt a particular view has dangerous implications in other organizations.

So you'd be okay with racist, bigoted organizations, too?

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some real comedians around here.

whilst i'm atheist myself i have no problem with this ruling.

you wouldn't expect a lutheran school to start pimping the quran in its religion classes just to make sure it was fair so why should they be dealing with homosexuals?

it's a rather simple case of "this is our school and our rules. if you don't like it then GTFO"

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it's a rather simple case of "this is our school and our rules. if you don't like it then GTFO"

So, you would be okay with a whites-only school? I'm guessing not, but then why are "religious" beliefs different? How do religious beliefs excuse intolerance?

Children deserve to be given the choice in what they believe, not what a school tells them to believe. Yes, even if their parents sent them there. Religion is a choice. So no, I wouldn't expect them to start pimping the Qur'an, but I would hate to think the children weren't being taught in an open-minded way about the existence of different religions and cultures.

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So you'd be okay with racist, bigoted organizations, too?

I would not be okay with them personally.

I however do not want government to be allowed to make the determination and be able to restrict private organizations. I oppose the KKK, but support their right to exist for example. If we allow the government to start interfering in private organizations we set a dangerous precedent. One day all organizations could be outlawed, except if they are sanctioned by the government. That has happened before and should scare everyone who loves liberty.

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