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#91 Nagisan

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 04:11

Playing Veteran with a good friend, I went tank/dps zerker (tank due to massive healing and gear focusing on damage reduction, damage from OP skills and lots of crit), my friend went glass cannon outlander. Going through act 2 tonight, he died about 5-6 times, I died once cause I wasn't paying attention to my health (was full, next time I looked at it I was almost dead and had no time to heal), this happened shortly after changing skill locations on my bar too so I wasn't accustom to my heal being where I moved it to.

He definitely has more DPS, but my DPS is more than capable of holding it's own (AoE takes 1-2 hits to kill most things around me, my single target skill Raze takes 5-6 hits to kill many champion mobs). Then when I need to heal I just Shadow Burst and heal for up to 21% of my HP depending on the number of targets I hit (and this will go up to around 10-12% PER TARGET for up to 5 targets when I max it out).

Overall I'm quite pleased with this game, it feels like what Diablo 3 should have been....not looking to start a flame war but this games has transmutation (ala D2's horadric cube), gambling (gambled an amazing unique claw, doubled my minimum physical DPS, increased my magic DPS by 6x it's previous value), lots of item drops (honestly many more uniques and sets than D2 even, and some of them are amazing, but lots of it is actually upgrades to what you are using, unlike D3). Though I would like to see better respec options, I am happy with where my build is right now, but if something gets changed and made much less efficient, I don't want to have to start over due to it.


#92 Tharp Daddy

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 16:22

Playing Veteran with a good friend, I went tank/dps zerker (tank due to massive healing and gear focusing on damage reduction, damage from OP skills and lots of crit), my friend went glass cannon outlander. Going through act 2 tonight, he died about 5-6 times, I died once cause I wasn't paying attention to my health (was full, next time I looked at it I was almost dead and had no time to heal), this happened shortly after changing skill locations on my bar too so I wasn't accustom to my heal being where I moved it to.

He definitely has more DPS, but my DPS is more than capable of holding it's own (AoE takes 1-2 hits to kill most things around me, my single target skill Raze takes 5-6 hits to kill many champion mobs). Then when I need to heal I just Shadow Burst and heal for up to 21% of my HP depending on the number of targets I hit (and this will go up to around 10-12% PER TARGET for up to 5 targets when I max it out).

Overall I'm quite pleased with this game, it feels like what Diablo 3 should have been....not looking to start a flame war but this games has transmutation (ala D2's horadric cube), gambling (gambled an amazing unique claw, doubled my minimum physical DPS, increased my magic DPS by 6x it's previous value), lots of item drops (honestly many more uniques and sets than D2 even, and some of them are amazing, but lots of it is actually upgrades to what you are using, unlike D3). Though I would like to see better respec options, I am happy with where my build is right now, but if something gets changed and made much less efficient, I don't want to have to start over due to it.


The devs have said they have no plans to offer full respecs as they feel it makes the choices people make with their character "feel unimportant". They want to go for a Diablo 2 style where if you want to try something new, or you **** up your character, you just make a new one all together. But modding is going to be huge in this game, so there will be respec potions and the such soon after that's launched.

#93 Nagisan

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 19:06

The devs have said they have no plans to offer full respecs as they feel it makes the choices people make with their character "feel unimportant". They want to go for a Diablo 2 style where if you want to try something new, or you **** up your character, you just make a new one all together. But modding is going to be huge in this game, so there will be respec potions and the such soon after that's launched.

Actually Diablo 2 now does have a full respec built-in...but it did take forever to get added.

#94 Garnet H.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 22:52

I'm enjoying this game a lot, I'm only level 30 since I don't have a whole lot of time, but all of my free time is going into this. I completely stopped playing GW2 because of this game and to be honest I thought it'd be the other way around.

This game really, really (really) deserves its $20 price tag.

#95 corrosive23

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:55

Im a level 41 fire engineer. Ive gone full on in skill points with flame hammer, fire/spark, and spider mines.

#96 vetMathachew

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:45

A buddy of mine bought me this game the day after I got Torchlight from the humble bundle. I'm having a lot of fun playing as an Engineer and have this truly awesome Unique Greathammer. I feel like if I try another class I might be disappointed because of how much fun I'm having with this guy. For kicks I sometimes switch to a cannon.

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:07

Whoops, replied to the wrong thread. :pinch:

#98 TaiCrunch

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 17:51

I haven't had too much time to play since it's been released, what with school and work and everything, only about a few hours or so. I went with a ranged DPS pirate-style Outlander on Normal for my solo character, and a powerhouse melee DPS Berserker on Veteran for multiplayer. Both are a lot of fun, but I have more an idea of what I want from my Outlander than from my Beserker. With Beserker, I've pretty much just been dumping all my points into STR and VIT, Pretty fun, but playing Veteran with a character type I'm not too familiar with makes it much more of a challenge.

I noticed when playing online it's a lot harder on my system than solo play is. I don't have the best computer, just a fairly new Dell laptop that can run it almost flawlessly on solo, but online I've had to fiddle with the settings quite a bit to run it smoother. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just me?

#99 Perfect72

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:22

Did Mordrox earlier on elite difficulty and recorded it. Fight took around 8 minutes or so, solo.

http://www.twitch.tv...59/b/334261243#

I later went on to take on General Grell solo on elite. That was hell. Fight lasted about 20 minutes of very careful "running my arse off, around pillars dodging assrapage, spamming health pots." But I prevailed.

I'm wondering if you can switch from Elite to Veteran. It isn't that it is too difficult, it is actually very trivial. All Elite does is make the game far too time consuming. A fight that could have taken 5 minutes took 20 simply because of health. As long as you have 100 health potions in Elite, you cannot die. I've made it to level 14 so far and haven't died hardly at all, just wasted a ton of time. If I'm going to go through content that is made trivial with health potions, I might as well just lower the difficulty so I spend less time on long fights, and get more overall game in, in a sitting.

Also, I wonder if there is a respec mod out. Strange enough, as an Outlander, I want to go full Focus/Caster type, instead of guns. I don't want to reroll my character for an embermage, but I have found that the Outlander's elemental abilities are far more powerful and as long as I keep mana pots, I can spam Glaive Throw which does a ton of damage.

#100 Nagisan

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:42

Start a game and pick LAN or Internet, then you can change the difficulty. But it only changes it for that game and you can't pause by opening the menu. You have to do this every time you want to play on a different difficulty than what you started on.

As for outlander vs embermage, they both have builds that can do insane damage in similar ways. Obviously you have been using the Outlander's overpowered build (glaives), the embermage one is Prismatic Bolt......though this skill does take a bit of time to get as powerful as glaive, it does much higher single-target damage than glaive with similar multi-target.

Basically 1 point in Prismatic Bolt, then max the Brand passives. Increase Prismatic Bolt once you have enough mana to spam it.

The main differences between them:

Prismatic Bolt - Hits 5 targets max, but all 5 projectiles can seek out a single target (shoots 5 projectiles in a fan pattern that seek shortly after firing)....similar damage to Glaives at high levels but it takes longer to ramp up (I've seen people doing 500k and more to bosses with Prismatic Bolt).

Glaive Throw - Hits more and more targets based on tier bonus, though I've heard it's better to keep at the first tier due to mana cost. Does higher damage early on making it easier to start up. Only hits single targets once, making it far inferior in single target damage compared to Prismatic Bolt while being potentially superior in AoE (more targets per attack if leveled).

Embermage though has much better utility skills, you can teleport (which knocks back foes where you leave from and where you teleport to), you can freeze enemies, you can remove ALL of an enemies resistance (meaning you do 100% of your damage to any enemy, as opposed to your damage being lowered from an enemy having resistances....but this only happens with a staff and the staff mastery skill). No mana issues at all late game (put a few points in Charge Mastery....not many is needed....but you basically build charge to max far faster than you can spend the mana, which gives you infinite mana if you are hitting enemies). Ice Prison.....not that great as the pillars die fast, but against bosses they get confused for a second or two when you put it on them, and you can bottleneck enemies with it. Frozen Fate (passive), AoE immobilizes enemies in place when you kill an enemy (76% chance when maxed), meaning anything that doesn't die to your first pbolt, won't be able to come after you in large swarm scenarios.

I haven't played Outlander at all so I don't know what abilities they have compared to the above, but based on my friend (who went glaive outlander) he relied 100% on killing enemies before they could get close enough to kill him. He rarely used any defensive skills but its possible he just didn't need to cause things died so fast.

EDIT: There is a respec shared stash out, which basically is a shared stash full of respec potions (which do not flag your character as a cheater), just make sure you back up your current shared stash (or have it empty) before you use it. Actual mods that add respeccing probably won't appear until after the modding tools come out.