Google Responds To Jobs


Recommended Posts

Last month, Eric Schmidt announced that 200,000 Android devices were being activated everyday and Mr. Jobs here takes an obvious jab at Google’s numbers. During the event, Jobs announced that:

We think some of our friends are counting upgrades in their numbers

Google quickly responded by saying:

The Android activation numbers do not include upgrades and are, in fact, only a portion of the Android devices in the market since we only include devices that have Google services.

We all know that Jobs likes to run his mouth, which we figured he would learn his lesson after the whole “antennagate” debacle where he reported Android devices suffered the same issue when you held the device a certain way.

He continued to take a few more jabs at Google when he was talking about Apple TV stating that people wanted Hollywood blockbusters and high-end television shows and not “amateur hour.” What ever jabs he feels necessary to help him sleep at night, but it’s clear inside he’s feeling very threatened by Google and the Android OS.

http://androidspin.com/2010/09/02/google-responds-to-jobs-device-activations-comment/

Apple's MO..cannot beat them or feel threatened...then bash the competition!!

Link to comment
https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/934880-google-responds-to-jobs/
Share on other sites

His jab was certainly unwarranted (and I really don't care about the numbers), but I think 230,000 still beats 200,000.

Also, about the "portion of Android devices" part (and this is just an honest question): what popular Android device doesn't come with Google's services?

His jab was certainly unwarranted (and I really don't care about the numbers), but I think 230,000 still beats 200,000.

Also, about the "portion of Android devices" part (and this is just an honest question): what popular Android phone doesn't come with Google's services?

MP3 players for one...or you can read here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices

and yes, 230k beats 200k...but considering how long Android has been around compared to the iPhone...thats pretty impressive.

And Jobs is a DB. If his products were so great, they should sell on their own...not saying inaccurate things and bashing others.

His jab was certainly unwarranted (and I really don't care about the numbers), but I think 230,000 still beats 200,000.

Also, about the "portion of Android devices" part (and this is just an honest question): what popular Android phone doesn't come with Google's services?

Some vendors have made large changes to the stock Android install - I think there was one major US network that removed something-or-other from their android phones and caused quite a furore over it. That might be what they are referring to. Then again, on first boot there is an option to send usage metrics (I think) to Google. I would expect most would uncheck that - the numbers may only count those that do not uncheck the box. I am only guessing, however.

MP3 players for one...or you can read here

http://en.wikipedia....Android_devices

Yea, but seriously, how popular are those? They're probably a small blip on the Android radar. I've personally never even seen one.

and yes, 230k beats 200k...but considering how long Android has been around compared to the iPhone...thats pretty impressive.

Not really when you consider the proliferation of Android devices vs. 3 iOS devices.

but then again there is how many androids phones out there against 2 iphone models?

Not this argument again. And thats Apples dumbass fault for limiting the phone to one carrier for so long. Android did what MS did back in the day...took what Apple did, make their own, and then opened it up for many different manufacturers and developers.

Yea, but seriously, how popular are those? They're probably a small blip on the Android radar. I've personally never even seen one.

Never said they were popular...question was asked, I answered. I have never seen an android MP3 player or e-reader either. But then again, I have not been looking for one.

Not this argument again. And thats Apples dumbass fault for limiting the phone to one carrier for so long. Android did what MS did back in the day...took what Apple did, make their own, and then opened it up for many different manufacturers and developers.

We weren't debating that, but generally the argument is used the other way around (when Android beats iOS at something). In this scenario, it's actually just kind of surprising.

Never said they were popular...question was asked, I answered. I have never seen an android MP3 player or e-reader either. But then again, I have not been looking for one.

Well, I specifically asked about popular devices. That's all. :p

His jab was certainly unwarranted (and I really don't care about the numbers), but I think 230,000 still beats 200,000.

Also, about the "portion of Android devices" part (and this is just an honest question): what popular Android device doesn't come with Google's services?

Not sure if "Popular", but there A LOT of android devices that don't come with the google services. Especially carrier-branded ones.

Never said they were popular...question was asked, I answered. I have never seen an android MP3 player or e-reader either. But then again, I have not been looking for one.

Really? Because nooks run android and I'm sure you've probably at least heard of them.

Really? Because nooks run android and I'm sure you've probably at least heard of them.

Ah! Very true! You kind of forget because it looks nothing like Android. :p Then again, I've never seen a Nook in real life (I have seen a few Kindles), but I know they're semi-popular.

Not this argument again. And thats Apples dumbass fault for limiting the phone to one carrier for so long. Android did what MS did back in the day...took what Apple did, make their own, and then opened it up for many different manufacturers and developers.

my bad for stating facts... :rolleyes:

Really? Because nooks run android and I'm sure you've probably at least heard of them.

Forgot about nook. I know Creative has some MP3 players I forgot about to. They are easily overlooked since you dont hear a lot about them.

my bad for stating facts... :rolleyes:

Its the only defense Apple has ATM. I am sure Apple will get more sales when its released on Verizon, but Androids plan is to not out sale or beat Apple. Google even released a statement a while back saying that. People think that more sales and most popular means better...thats not the case really...sometimes it is...and sometimes its not.

And remember...Apple chooses to be closed off...limited...and authoritative...their weigh or the high way. Apparently lots of people like to be told what to do. People choose Apple like they choose Windows. They were the first with something, people get set in and think its the best. Was the case at one time, not anymore.

I'm not so sure what Jobs is so defensive about these days. I mean, Apple makes a ton of money on what they sell. So what if Android sells more? Apple makes more money from their sales.

It's basically talk to assuage the shareholders.

Its the only defense Apple has ATM. I am sure Apple will get more sales when its released on Verizon, but Androids plan is to not out sale or beat Apple. Google even released a statement a while back saying that. People think that more sales and most popular means better...thats not the case really...sometimes it is...and sometimes its not.

And remember...Apple chooses to be closed off...limited...and authoritative...their weigh or the high way. Apparently lots of people like to be told what to do. People choose Apple like they choose Windows. They were the first with something, people get set in and think its the best. Was the case at one time, not anymore.

And you are right, apple choses that. They always have. The biggest reason for that? It's because apple see's themselves as a hardware company and the software they have helps them sell said hardware. Clearly what they are doing is working. Their app store is a gold mine.

I love android phones too, I would have one in a heartbeat if they had a better or a competive media player to iphones ipod app. My perfect phone would be an android that has the ipod app on it.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • New AMD graphics driver fixes install issues and FSR 4.1 crashes on RX 7000 GPUs by Taras Buria AMD is rolling out yet another graphics driver. Version 26.6.4 is now available for download, bringing two important fixes. One is for those still using Windows 10 and having trouble installing driver 26.6.2. In fact, this patch is coming from the recently released hotfix, so it is not new if you are already running version 26.6.3. The second fix is for RX 7000 owners. AMD recently brought FSR 4.1 support to the previous-gen graphics cards, but there was a bug with certain games crashing when using FSR 4.1. I experienced this issue with Forza Horizon 6, so today's driver should take care of that. Here is the official changelog: Intermittent install issue seen when installing AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 26.6.2 on Windows® 10 systems for Radeon™ RX 7000 series and above graphics products. Intermittent application crash may be observed in some games with AMD FSR Upscaling 4.1 enabled on Radeon™ RX 7000 series graphics products. Known issues include the following: Intermittent application crash or driver timeout may be observed while playing Battlefield™ 6 on AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370. AMD is actively working on a resolution with the developer to be released as soon as possible. Texture flickering or corruption may appear while playing Battlefield™ 6 with AMD Record and Stream on some AMD graphics products. AMD FSR Upscaling and AMD FSR Frame Generation may show as inactive in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition while playing Battlefield™ 6 when enabled on Radeon™ RX 9000 series graphics products. Failure to install may be observed while installing AI Bundle components in some regions with limited access to HuggingFace and GitHub. Model flickering or rendering failure may be observed in Maxon Cinema 4D and Blender on Radeon™ RX 7000 series and above graphics products. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to install AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 26.3.1. Intermittent application crash may be observed on some models while running Blender on Radeon™ RX 7000 series and above graphics products. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to install AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 26.3.1. You can download the AMD Radeon driver 26.6.4 from the official website here. Full release notes are available on the same page.
    • Amazon may use OpenAI and Nova models after Anthropic reportedly raises costs by Karthik Mudaliar Amazon is reportedly considering to use OpenAI models and even its own Nova family of AI models after Anthropic raised the cost of using Claude inside Amazon services. According to a report from The Information, Amazon is weighing its options to reduce costs under a new arrangement with Anthropic. But back in April, Amazon said it would invest $5 billion more in Anthropic, with the possibility of adding up to another $20 billion if certain commercial milestones are met. That investment actually came on top of another $8 billion Amazon had already put into the Claude maker. Anthropic, meanwhile, committed to spend more than $100 billion over 10 years on AWS technologies, including Amazon’s Trainium chips. Amazon isn't just a customer of Anthropic but also one of the most important backers and cloud partners. This is why it makes it interesting that Amazon is considering other alternatives to handle its internal workloads. Although Amazon has been building its own options for a while now. Its Nova family of AI models was announced in late 2024 for Amazon Bedrock, with models aimed at text, image, and video tasks. Amazon pitched the model around cost and latency at that time. With that said, OpenAI has also become a more realistic option recently for AWS customers as well as for Amazon itself. Earlier this year, OpenAI brought its latest models and Codex coding agent to Amazon Bedrock, after changes to its previously more restrictive Microsoft cloud arrangement. This allowed AWS to serve even those customers who wanted other alternatives from Claude, without having to move workloads out of Amazon's cloud. Evaluating alternatives could also be due to commercial pressure and not necessarily a sign of a damaged partnership between Amazon and Anthropic. Whether or not Amazon is actually considering switching entirely to OpenAI's models or its own Nova models remains unknown at this moment.
    • Samsung introduces new AI classroom tools and interactive displays at ISTELive 2026 by Fiza Ali Samsung has announced several new education-focused software features and interactive displays for schools during ISTELive 2026, taking place in Orlando, Florida, from 28 June to 1 July. The focus of these updates is on making shared classroom displays easier to use for teachers while giving IT administrators more control over managing devices. One of the key additions is the Samsung Account Management Solution (AMS). In many schools, multiple teachers share the same interactive display throughout the day, which means signing in and setting everything up can become repetitive. With AMS, teachers can log in by scanning a QR code or tapping an NFC-enabled ID card. Once signed in, their personalised workspace, including wallpapers, bookmarks, app shortcuts, and files, can be instantly accessed through Home Personalisation. Samsung has also included a screen lock feature, allowing teachers to lock the display if they need to step away briefly. Furthermore, the company is also updating its Education Portal with new tools designed for school IT administrators. The portal will allow IT administrators to register teachers, enrol devices, and manage user access from a central dashboard. Administrators can also link NFC cards to teacher accounts, making sign-ins quicker across shared displays. Another addition is a Tags feature that lets schools organise displays by building or classroom. Those tags can also be used to send emergency notifications to selected Samsung Interactive Displays through compatible platforms such as InformaCast and Raptor. Moreover, the tech giant's AI Assistant is gaining several new features aimed at supporting everyday classroom tasks such as lesson planning and classroom engagement. One of the features is Circle to Search, which lets teachers circle text or images on the display to quickly find related information, videos, or web results without interrupting the lesson. The content can then be brought into Samsung Whiteboard. Another feature, Live Transcript, converts spoken lessons into real-time captions, which could be useful for students with hearing impairments or those in multilingual classrooms. The AI Assistant also introduces AI Summary and AI Quiz. The summary tool creates summaries of recorded lessons, while AI Quiz generates questions based on lesson content so teachers can quickly check how well students are following along. Teachers signed in through Samsung AMS can also return to their previous AI-generated lesson materials without logging in again. Alongside the software updates, Samsung has expanded its Android-based Interactive Display range with three new models: the WAF-S, WAFX-PS, and WAHX-M. The WAF-S and WAFX-PS ship with Android 16, bringing updates to security, accessibility, and overall usability while maintaining compatibility with Google's education services including Google Classroom and Google Drive through EDLA certification. Meanwhile, the new WAHX-M is the biggest addition to the lineup, introducing a 98-inch display for larger spaces such as lecture halls and conference rooms. It will also be available in 65-inch, 75-inch and 86-inch sizes. Samsung says the WAHX-M further includes on-device AI features such as voice commands, text-to-speech, and an AI calculator, alongside support for Samsung AMS and AI Assistant. Samsung AI Assistant has been available since April, while Samsung AMS and the updated Education Portal will begin rolling out in July.
    • It's been $24 (single) or $89 (4-pack) for many days on both Amazon and Walmart as far as I know. That isn't a big discount. If these end up like the 1st gen, the 4-pack will routinely get down around $80, give or take a dollar. I think they have even hit $69 at times.
    • Microsoft brings Claude to its own Azure infrastructure, powered by Nvidia GB300 Blackwell by Karthik Mudaliar Anthropic's Claude models are now generally available in Microsoft Foundry on Azure and are running on Nvidia's GB300 Blackwell Ultra systems. Nvidia wrote in its announcement that the models are hosted on Microsoft Azure and accelerated by GB300 Blackwell Ultra GPUs, with Quantum-X800 InfiniBand networking used to support larger agentic systems and specialized sub-agents that can operate across business domains. This is great for customers and enterprises that want to build autonomous and domain-specific AI agents using Claude without moving outside Microsoft’s cloud platform. Microsoft currently offers Claude models in Foundry in two forms: “Hosted on Azure,” which runs end-to-end on Azure infrastructure and is generally available, and “Hosted on Anthropic infrastructure,” which remains in preview. This separation is quite important for organizations that have procurement, compliance, data processing, or internal governance requirements tied to Azure. Anthropic currently has 11 Claude models listed in Microsoft Foundry, including Opus 4.8, Sonnet 4.6, and even the unavailable Mythos and Fable models. Billing is handled through Claude Consumption Units (CCUs). Microsoft says CCU is an invoicing unit for Claude models in Foundry, with token usage converted using Anthropic’s published per-model token rates. The usage is billed through Azure Marketplace just like models from other distributors and appears on the customer's Azure invoice, while eligible spend can count against a Microsoft Azure Consumption Commitment. For starters, GB300 NVL72 is a rack-scale, fully liquid-cooled system that combines 72 Blackwell Ultra GPUs and 36 Grace CPUs. Nvidia has listed 37TB of fast memory, 130TB/s of NVLink bandwidth, and FP4 Tensor Core performance of up to 1,440 petaflops with sparsity. The deal is also part of a three-way partnership between Microsoft, Nvidia, and Anthropic. Under the deal, Anthropic has committed to buying $30 billion in Azure compute capacity and contracting additional capacity up to one gigawatt. Nvidia and Microsoft also said they would invest up to $10 billion and $5 billion in Anthropic, respectively.
  • Recent Achievements

    • Reacting Well
      NovaEdgeX earned a badge
      Reacting Well
    • Week One Done
      NovaEdgeX earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Year In
      BA the Curmudgeon earned a badge
      One Year In
    • Conversation Starter
      rosiecharles earned a badge
      Conversation Starter
    • First Post
      KMilenkoski1202 earned a badge
      First Post
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      536
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      269
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      150
    4. 4
      Steven P.
      98
    5. 5
      macoman
      65
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!