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#16 Rudy

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 16:53

It's a shame for every one who donated to his legal "fund" :/


#17 NeoTrunks

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:02

The whole Sony boycott is laughable. I doubt any of the participants were willing to buy much more than the console anyway.

#18 DPyro

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:03

Terms of the settlement are confidential...hrm, Sony hired Geohot?

#19 Rudy

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:06

Sony hired Geohot?

why would they do that?

#20 DPyro

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:18

why would they do that?

Sony tried to hire one before?

#21 DukeEsquire

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:21

Terms of the settlement are confidential...hrm, Sony hired Geohot?


Settlements are almost always confidential.

I've never seen one that isn't unless it is for a specific reason (ie: someone has agreed to apologize for something).

Sony tried to hire one before?


So?

My company hired a red-head once. Does that mean they will hire every red-head?

#22 DPyro

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:22

So?

My company hired a red-head once. Does that mean they will hire every red-head?

Man, you are really bad at analogies...

#23 roadwarrior

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:22

why would they do that?

Because he is demonstrably smarter than most of the people who designed the PS3's security?

#24 Reacon

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:27

http://www.defacto2....911/pitbull.htm

If any of you think he deserves jail, read this. It'll change your mind :)

Jail is a wretched place. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's much more appropriate that someone like him gets a large fine.

#25 +Audioboxer

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:37

Because he is demonstrably smarter than most of the people who designed the PS3's security?


Where is your evidence for this?

The Sony security engineers managed to completely overhaul the way the security system works in firmware 3.60 themselves.

I just cannot understand why people keep asking if/saying Sony should employ this guy. I have to believe anyone that says such things has absolutely no business/employment aptitude considering everything we know about Geohot and how he acts.

Also considering his new cry baby blog post, why would he even accept to work at Sony? He doesn't want to work for a security portion of a company tightening up and protecting security, he wants to run rampant DISABLING security.

#26 DPyro

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:38

Nevermind, here is the order:

II. ORDER
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED AND ADJUDGED by consent of the Parties that Hotz, whether as an individual or as a principal, officer, director or employee of any business entity, and his agents, servants, employees, distributors, suppliers, representatives and all other persons or entities acting in concert or participation with Hotz who receive notice of this Judgment, shall be and hereby are permanently enjoined and restrained from:
A. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the law;
B. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the terms of any SCEA or SCEA AFFILIATES' license agreement or terms of use applicable to that SONY PRODUCT, whether or not Hotz has accepted such agreement or terms of use, including without limitation:
(i) reverse engineering, decompiling, or disassembling any portion of the Sony Product;
(ii) using any tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism in the Sony Product;
(iii) using any hardware or software to cause the Sony Product to accept or use unauthorized, illegal or pirated software or hardware; and
(iv) exploiting any Sony Product to design, develop, update or distribute unauthorized software or hardware for use with the Sony Product.
If any term of such SCEA or SCEA Affilates' license agreement or terms of use applicable to that Sony Product shall be determined by Congress or by a court of law in a final non-appealable decision in an action to which SCEA or an SCEA Affiliate is a party to be illegal and unenforceable, then such term shall not be binding on Hotz.
C. CIRCUMVENTING any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT;
D. TRAFFICKING in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that, at the time of Hotz's trafficking, circumvents any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT, including but not limited to the Ellptical Curve Signature Algorithm ("ECDSA") Keys, encryption or decryption keys, dePKG firmware decrypter program, Signing Tools, 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak, andlor any other technologies that enable unauthorized access to and/or copying of the PS3 System and/or enable compatibility of unauthorized copies of other copyrighted works with the PS3 System.
E. Distributing or posting any SCEA or SCEA Affiliates' confidential or proprietary information relating to any SONY PRODUCT;
F. Knowingly assisting or inducing others to engage in any of the conduct set forth in A-E above solely directed at any SONY PRODUCT or that otherwise constitutes contributory liability under the law.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that any violation of this Injunction and Order by Hotz shall result in his payment of stipulated liquidated damages in the amount of ten thousand dollars ($10,000) per violation at the election of SCEA or SCEA's Affiliates. In the event that the violation involves distribution or TRAFFICKING by Hotz of software, hardware, or any CIRCUMVENTION DEVICE, or knowingly assisting the same, each distribution of said software (including downloads via the Internet), hardware, or CIRCUMVENTION DEVICE shall.constitute an independent violation, up to a cap of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars ($250,000). Such liquidated damages shall be an optional alternative to demonstrating actual or, if relevant, statutory damages.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that any action or proceeding (other than a declaratory judgment action) that may be brought by SCEA or SCEA Affilates against Hotz arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment, shall be brought in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. The Parties further agree that any action or proceeding (other than a declaratory judgment action) that may be brought by Hotz against SCEA arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment, shall be brought in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey or the state in the United States of Hotz's current permanent residence. The Parties agree to waive any venue or jurisdictional challenges consistent with this paragraph. The Parties further agree that the laws of the state of California shall govern to the exclusion of the law of any other forum in any action or proceeding brought by any party arising out of, in connection with or by reason of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment or to enforce the terms and conditions of the Parties' Settlement Agreement or this Judgment.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that entry of this Judgment shall conclude this action to the prejudice of any and all claims or cross-claims deemed merged
and barred in accordance with the law. The undersigned hereby stipulate to the above facts and conclusions and consent to the entry of this Judgment, which may be signed in counterparts. Signatures can be obtained and exchanged by facsimile.



#27 DukeEsquire

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 18:09

Because he is demonstrably smarter than most of the people who designed the PS3's security?


Is someone that jacks a car smarter than the engineer that designed it?

Besides, there are plenty of smart people that I wouldn't trust with a dull knife. GeoHotz clearly gets a kick out of fighting authority figures. Do you really think he would operate efficiently in a corporate environment?

I don't know how much hiring experience you have, but being smart is only one of many factors that goes into a the hiring process.

When I'm interviewing students and new attorneys, 90% of the people that get past all the steps before they land on my desk are already smart enough to fulfill the basics of the job. I'm testing them to see if they are personable, respectful, respond well to directions, reliable...etc.

GeoHotz flunks so many of those qualities. We all know he is smart; we also all know he can be quite a douche.

#28 vetCorris

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 18:10

And Sony... I'm starting to think they might be able to come at my house one day, take everything Sony I own, because I painted the damn things in a different color.

You seemingly didn't know what this case was about, it had nothing to do with the physical condition of anyones PS3.

Sony tried to hire one before?

You know companies do this all the time right?
This just happened to be one person who was being vocal about it because of the case, it isn't anything new.

#29 DPyro

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 18:12

So it looks like Geohot is going underground.

#30 yekGLzhQ4Qju1FtAVcC4

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 18:13

Good for Sony.

I'm sure this legal judgement will protect their systems better than any software could. :) It also teaches everyone here a lesson; if someone is bugging you, sue them! Fear can be an excellent motivator :laugh: