Report: Apple to launch Snow Leopard on June 8

The Baltimore Sun writer has come up with a report that Apple will roll out Snow Leopard, its next operating system on June 8, by noting down the similarities between the June opening of the Mascone Center and past Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) events.

The San Francisco event center, Moscone frequently booked by Apple for its developer conference has an opening from June 6 through June 12 for a corporate meeting. Apple held its WWDC at Moscone during the same time of the month in 2007 and 2008 . Last year at its WWDC , Apple confirmed that the next upgrade to Mac OS X would be Snow Leopard and it would launch in about a year. CEO Steve Jobs delivered the keynote on the Monday of WWDC, last year and unveiled the iPhone 3G which Apple started selling from July 11. According to The Baltimore Sun, similar to previous developer conferences, Apple will hold a keynote on the Monday of the event and announce the launch of Snow Leopard.

Microsoft is working towards the RC release of Windows 7, the next version of its operating system with the internal target date set to April 10, 2009. A Collins Stewart analyst has projected that Microsoft will finalize the code for Windows 7 by June or July. The release of Windows 7 would allow Microsoft to make $1.5 billion in additional revenue, with nearly $1 billion coming from the upgrade market and $680 million from the netbook market, if Microsoft increases the number of premium versions of Windows being used on Netbooks. Microsoft's shares could make a good investment even with a sluggish PC market, says the analyst.

With rumors about Windows 7's RTM launch in August and the final release by the end of this year's holiday shopping season, we could be seeing two of the major operating systems - Apple's Snow Leopard and Microsoft's Windows 7 competing for a final release this year.

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Wow, is there ever a lot of confusion on here about what constitutes a service pack vs. what is a "new" operating system. Last time I checked Mac OS was still on "X", still using kitty names. Still using "You can run Windows!" and "You can run Microsoft Office!" among the top reasons to "switch" to a Mac.

Perhaps even more confusing is why there is a constant need to compare OS X and Windows release dates. Mac has such a tiny fraction of the market. In the entire market do you really think there are that many people on the fence between switching? I guess we saw this with Vista and the 4th "edition" of OS X but Mac is still well under 10% market share. It's not like getting Windows 7 out before this new "edition" of OS X is going to prevent anyone from going to Mac.

People don't go to Mac because they release a new edition of their operating system first. At least, I hope they can come up with better reasons than that.

Well my biggest question is when on Earth will Apple make the freakin' jump from OS X to OS 11 (or XI)? After all, they've been stuck at X since 2001, which is even longer than the time span between XP and Vista! (not withstanding the fact there were five important updates since then)

Pardon the sarcasm, but I just couldn't resist! :P

Wait.. so what happens when Apple runs out of wild cats to name the OS after????hmmmm.. MAC OS X Koala sounds kinda cool... hehehehe NOT!

dimithrak said,
Wait.. so what happens when Apple runs out of wild cats to name the OS after????hmmmm.. MAC OS X Koala sounds kinda cool... hehehehe NOT!

next can be liger?

I see where you sourced it as 'the Baltimore Sun writer', but the Baltimore Sun has more than one writer. :-D There was previous mention in the source article on the writer, hence the reference again as such.

So does Apple.

If anything Snow Leopard has more under the hood features then Windows 7 which is more of a service pack for Vista then Snow Leopard is to Leopard.

Hmm. We don't know what most of the changes are in Snow Leopard, so I don't know how you could qualify that.

matt4pack said,
So does Apple.

If anything Snow Leopard has more under the hood features then Windows 7 which is more of a service pack for Vista then Snow Leopard is to Leopard.

Its great to have lots of features if they are useful...but most of the time they are not.

GreyWolfSC said,
Hmm. We don't know what most of the changes are in Snow Leopard, so I don't know how you could qualify that.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

The only real feature of Windows 7 is the superbar as the rest of the OS is just a refinement of Vista like Snow Leopard is to Leopard. Vista was much more of a jump then Windows 7 will be.

themailnurse said,
64-bit? Exchange support? Multicore?

Did we just fly back into the past or something? :S


Is there a huge demand for 64bit support in the consumer space? Just curious :).

As for Multicore, I think you're misunderstanding the concept. Apple had multi-core support a long time ago. What Grand Central will do is make the OS aware of the extra cores and split work to them instead of sitting idle for a multi-core aware application (at least what I understand from reading it). They are also working on developer tools to take advantage of this.

coth said,
is there still any people around who want to buy this paid service pack??

ms provide them for free...


wasn't windows xp "technically" a service pack for windows 2000 when it first came out... only with skins?

matt4pack said,
http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

The only real feature of Windows 7 is the superbar as the rest of the OS is just a refinement of Vista like Snow Leopard is to Leopard. Vista was much more of a jump then Windows 7 will be.

There are 5 things on that page, and all of them are general and obvious. Now go look at what's new in Windows 7. Now you tell me which one sounds more of an upgrade. Windows has had multicore, Exchange support, and 64-bit for years already. "Media and Internet" improvements are obvious in Windows 7, and it already has "OpenCL" in the real format: CUDA. (That's all it is.)

Yet Apple claims, "A Quantum Leap." Hogwash.

GreyWolfSC said,

There are 5 things on that page, and all of them are general and obvious. Now go look at what's new in Windows 7. Now you tell me which one sounds more of an upgrade. Windows has had multicore, Exchange support, and 64-bit for years already. "Media and Internet" improvements are obvious in Windows 7, and it already has "OpenCL" in the real format: CUDA. (That's all it is.)

Yet Apple claims, "A Quantum Leap." Hogwash.

Windows has had multi-core support like Grand Central for years? I'm probably misunderstanding Grand Central in that case. Honestly, I've only used upto Vista (and not that much) and didn't see the OS distribute "task" throughout the cores. Yes, you could just spawn 2 processes and 2 different cores will pick up ... but thats not what Grand Central is all about ... is it? I thought it would break down the tasks from each process and spread it to "all the cores". Please correct me if I am wrong here :).

As for OpenCL, CUDA only will ever work on NVIDIA cards. I'm no fan to ATI cards, but some people say the newer ATI cards are pretty damn good. A CUDA application will never work cross hardware where an OpenCL application will. Also, dont forget that OpenCL has support for the current X86 processors too :).

Windows already does that. An application has to be written to support multithreading in order to use it. It will be the same on Snow Leopard. You can't separate a single-process task into a multi-process one without rewriting the code. It's great that OSX will now support multi-threading across multiple processor cores, but Windows has done this already for years, so it's not a new feature that Snow Leopard has that isn't in Windows 7.

CUDA is just nVidia's implementation of parallel processing. "OpenCL" is the same thing, and it won't be as useful for everyday tasks as you think. It's good for narrow, repetitive tasks like cracking passwords, decoding virii genomes, and dispelling Apple reality distortion fields. You are incorrect about CUDA not being cross-platform. The CUDA API is available for Windows, Linux, and OSX and ATI will probably be implementing it soon.

nVidia is also implementing OpenCL. The OpenCL API is yet another feature on Apple's list that is already available for Windows.

Grand Central is apparently Apple's SMP task scheduler API. So yes, Windows has that already, as does BSD. I'm assuming Apple is adding it to their UI shell?

GreyWolfSC said,
Windows already does that. An application
CUDA is just nVidia's implementation of parallel processing. "OpenCL" is the same thing, and it won't be as useful for everyday tasks as you think. It's good for narrow, repetitive tasks like cracking passwords, decoding virii genomes, and has to be written to support multithreading in order to use it. It will be the same on Snow Leopard. You can't separate a single-process task into a multi-process one without rewriting the code. It's great that OSX will now support multi-threading across multiple processor cores, but Windows has done this already for years, so it's not a new feature that Snow Leopard has that isn't in Windows 7.

CUDA is just nVidia's implementation of parallel processing. "OpenCL" is the same thing, and it won't be as useful for everyday tasks as you think. It's good for narrow, repetitive tasks like cracking passwords, decoding virii genomes, and dispelling Apple reality distortion fields. You are incorrect about CUDA not being cross-platform. The CUDA API is available for Windows, Linux, and OSX and ATI will probably be implementing it soon.

nVidia is also implementing OpenCL. The OpenCL API is yet another feature on Apple's list that is already available for Windows.


1. Apple's Snow Leopard site is far from complete. We've learned far more new things about it through leaks than their old WWDC website provides. The kernel is going 64-bit, all applications/kexts are being recoded/compiled in Cocoa and 64-bit, and applications in general are receiving interface and functionality improvements.

2. Grand Central isn't about Apple's platform supporting multi-threaded processes--they already do. (see VMWare Fusion, CS4, etc) It is more about making it easier for developers to make efficient multi threaded applications.

GreyWolfSC said,
Windows already does that. An application has to be written to support multithreading in order to use it. It will be the same on Snow Leopard. You can't separate a single-process task into a multi-process one without rewriting the code. It's great that OSX will now support multi-threading across multiple processor cores, but Windows has done this already for years, so it's not a new feature that Snow Leopard has that isn't in Windows 7.

CUDA is just nVidia's implementation of parallel processing. "OpenCL" is the same thing, and it won't be as useful for everyday tasks as you think. It's good for narrow, repetitive tasks like cracking passwords, decoding virii genomes, and dispelling Apple reality distortion fields. You are incorrect about CUDA not being cross-platform. The CUDA API is available for Windows, Linux, and OSX and ATI will probably be implementing it soon.

nVidia is also implementing OpenCL. The OpenCL API is yet another feature on Apple's list that is already available for Windows.


Grand Central will probably use OpenCL to provide a useful interface to the developers similar to what OpenGL did when it was first introduced. I dont see any such API from microsoft currently shipping with the Visual Studio package. The only support they have right now as far as I know is OpenMP. They might have some api support in VS2010, but not sure how that will turn out. OSX does support multi-threading across multiple processor cores ... otherwise apps like VirtualBox, VMWare etc. wouldn't work as giga pointed out below. Mac's SMP support was probably introduced in OS 7.5 sometime in 95-97 ... forgot. Its noting new. I was thinking of Grand Central to be a little smarter scheduler that is aware of multiple cores.

As for OpenCL, CUDA and OpenCL are *not* the same thing. If you think it wont be useful for everyday tasks, think again... audio/video encoding/decoding, faster math in excel or similar software, providing ui acceleration ... i can go on and on. I didn't say its not cross-platform, I said it wasn't cross-hardware (should've said cross-hardware vendors). You will never be able to run a cuda application on an ATI card without hacking the driver. ATI will never implement CUDA because: 1. they will need to buy a license for CUDA from NVIDIA which NVIDIA probably wont sell. 2. ATI is leaning towards OpenCL to compete with CUDA. They had CTM to run against CUDA, but ditched it for various reasons.

You mentioned OpenCL is already available in windows... care to share any link for the api :)?

Julius Caro said,
Why do they keep putting these two OSs against each other as if they were competing on the PC market?

Because the OS that runs on the machine is just as big of a deciding factor as the hardware? Because Windows and Mac OS are in competition with each other... Mac's can at least run both OSes. If you can't see why they are being put up against each other, then I feel kind of sorry for you.

I don't understand these sort of comments as Windows and Linux distros wouldn't "make your breakfast" either... this particular humour is lost on me when referring to an operating system.

Calum said,
I don't understand these sort of comments as Windows and Linux distros wouldn't "make your breakfast" either... this particular humour is lost on me when referring to an operating system.

watch what GreyWolfSC posted. It is a joke before the flamewar about OS's. You do get the point, you just don't know it.

Wonder how long it will take the women in the Marketing department to call me about getting and upgrade. When Leopard first came out I got a call the next day. Good side job to fool around with and check out.

It doesn't take a genius to know that Apple will probably release Snow Leopard at an event like WWDC if feasibly possible.

What I REALLY want to know is when is Mac OS X 10.6.2 going to come out, because we all sadly know that'll probably be the first stable build worth using without wanting to throw your Mac out a window.

dagamer34 said,
It doesn't take a genius to know that Apple will probably release Snow Leopard at an event like WWDC if feasibly possible.

What I REALLY want to know is when is Mac OS X 10.6.2 going to come out, because we all sadly know that'll probably be the first stable build worth using without wanting to throw your Mac out a window.

Shame but true, Leopard really became stable after 10.5.5, before that is was a lot of instability, programs not working correctly, mobileMe bugs, etc, etc, etc.

I can't say I agree with that. When I originally got my Mac, it had 10.5.0, and it worked perfectly fine, with no major bugs or anything. I was still on 10.5.3 a week ago, and it was fine.

DanielZ said,
I can't say I agree with that. When I originally got my Mac, it had 10.5.0, and it worked perfectly fine, with no major bugs or anything. I was still on 10.5.3 a week ago, and it was fine.

The updates coming to Mac OS X have been huge and in every update, something like 200 to 300 bugs are being fixed. How bad is that?

Chaks said,
The updates coming to Mac OS X have been huge and in every update, something like 200 to 300 bugs are being fixed. How bad is that?

Which 10.5 update fixed 200 to 300 bugs?

"because we all sadly know that'll probably be the first stable build worth using without wanting to throw your Mac out a window."

Huh, sounds strikingly similar to people's reactions about Vista.

Isn't that odd?

andrewbares said,
"because we all sadly know that'll probably be the first stable build worth using without wanting to throw your Mac out a window."

Huh, sounds strikingly similar to people's reactions about Vista.

Isn't that odd?

Except when talking about Macs we look past the whole Vista-like issue, because we worship Steve Jobs too much to care.

(sarcasm)

Chris-Gonzales said,
Why do people treat steve like hes god or something? OH MY GOD steve is not here, what will I do!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? Hes a HUMAN!

Maybe because Steve embodies Apple. The business lead of the Jobs and Woz pair that created Apple. Apple declined horribly without him, and when he came back, he re-invented and re-invigorated the brand and the company. He is a showsperson who brings flair to a presentation.

Much like Bill Gates is to Microsoft. Bill "is" Microsoft to a large extent, and has a flair and style of his own, even keeping cool as Windows 98 Bluescreened on him during a live demo.

Or like Linus Torvalds is the embodiment of Linux, opinionated and straight forward, but you know where he stands, and has a technical expertise that is respected.

Maybe you ought to put aside your disdain and just accept that people like a leader that has a history of performing, and is entertaining to watch.

markjensen said,
Maybe you ought to put aside your disdain and just accept that people like a leader that has a history of performing, and is entertaining to watch.

Hey I am, I just can't stand the people who are obessed with him.

Chris-Gonzales said,
Hey I am, I just can't stand the people who are obessed with him.

I never let what other people are obsessed with get to me.

My wife likes shoes. I let her.

I like gadgets. She accepts that.

Life is good.

markjensen said,
I never let what other people are obsessed with get to me.

My wife likes shoes. I let her.

I like gadgets. She accepts that.

Life is good. :)

who says its getting to me. Accpect that others have opinions that are different from you.

Chris-Gonzales said,
who says its getting to me. Accpect that others have opinions that are different from you.

I accept it.

You, however, seem to have issues about it, as evidenced by your first post.

markjensen said,
I accept it.

You, however, seem to have issues about it, as evidenced by your first post. ;)

Actually No I don't, and not meaning to start anything, it seems, you have an issue with my opinion.

I'm done here

Chris-Gonzales said,
Why do people treat steve like hes god or something? OH MY GOD steve is not here, what will I do!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? Hes a HUMAN!

I treat him like a human. Not a God. The reason why i think Steve Jobs is because is mainly what Markjensen said.

Chris-Gonzales said,
Why do people treat steve like hes god or something? OH MY GOD steve is not here, what will I do!!!!!!!!!!!!! ? Hes a HUMAN!

who says its getting to me. Accpect that others have opinions that are different from you.

Actually No I don't, and not meaning to start anything, it seems, you have an issue with my opinion.

I'm done here

I'm going to go write all that down for a mid-afternoon LOL later.