AT&T says Verizon iPhone users will live 'life in the slow lane'

Just a day before Verizon is expected to announce the CDMA iPhone on their platform, AT&T came out and attacked Verizon. They claimed that their (Verizon) 3G speeds are much slower than theirs (AT&T).

AT&T PR boss Larry Solomon said "The iPhone is built for speed, but that's not what you get with a CDMA phone. I'm not sure iPhone users are ready for life in the slow lane," according to businessinsider.com.

Just a day before the iPhone is expected to be announced on the Verizon network, AT&T launched the first attack. Last week, AT&T dropped their price of the iPhone 3GS from $99 to $49, a last ditch effort to secure as many new iPhone customers as possible before Verizon launches the CDMA iPhone.

AT&T was rated the worst carrier in the United States for a second year in a row, where Verizon placed second best carrier in the United States in 2010. Verizon also placed first in Wired.com's 3G speed test across the United States, where AT&T finished last in 2009.

Stay tuned for tomorrows announcement from Verizon, where we could see history in the making, where AT&T will finally lose their exclusive hold on the iPhone since it debuted in 2007.

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Technically, comparing 3g to 3g, ATT is faster...

However, if you factor in coverage, to most people, giving up the small difference between ATT and Verizon's 3G speed is worth it.

I have both carriers, and ATT will drop 3G speed about a mile from the border of any of their maps. So even with the low 3G coverage, their maps are consistently padded.

In 'covered' areas in cities, ATT 3G coverage is far more likely to drop if you are driving around, Verizon's holds the 3G and data rates and also drops calls far less.

If you travel, like in a car, and don't just fly from city to city, on Verizon you have 3G on most of all the major interstates and roadways. On ATT, you only get 3G in major cities, and essentially nothing in rural areas for data.

My experiences are based on both phones and usb modems/built in 3G. I also travel through a lot of airports and do a lot of on the road traveling as well.

For road travel, it is nice to have Verizon when you are in the middle of nowhere traveling, even if you just want to stream a podcast or get your email.

ATT on the other hand, you have nothing outside any major city, and that is not fun on a 8hr trip between Vegas and Reno.

The comparison isn't like ATT just misses a few spots here and there, ATT misses hundreds and hundreds of miles of coverage between most cities.

So ya, ATT is faster technology, but when there is no coverage from ATT, the speed difference is not relevant unless you want to compare ATT 0kb to Verizon 1600kb if you do any traveling or live outside a major city.

ATT does have good customer support though, they have refunded or compensated many bills because of no 3G coverage when I am working at a location or staying in a hotel that is very much in their 3G coverage area, but they admit they really don't have 3G coverage there.

Does talking and surfing really even matter or am I just missing something here? I've never had to use both at the same time. I really just can't see the use. Does anyone here really use that feature?

I kinda think its a little insulting too. Don't worry honey, I'm paying attention while I browse porn!

Also, as for data caps, I'm not sure what Verizon is doing for the iPhone, but I routinely go over 5gb on my Droid X and haven't had a problem. Guess my "Unlimited" is really, well unlimited.

Chrono951 said,
Does talking and surfing really even matter or am I just missing something here? I've never had to use both at the same time. I really just can't see the use. Does anyone here really use that feature?

I kinda think its a little insulting too. Don't worry honey, I'm paying attention while I browse porn!

Also, as for data caps, I'm not sure what Verizon is doing for the iPhone, but I routinely go over 5gb on my Droid X and haven't had a problem. Guess my "Unlimited" is really, well unlimited.

I like having data and phone service while using Maps - knowing where I'm going and keeping track of traffic while talking to the person that I'm going to see is nice. Or texting a picture (or emailing it) to the person that I'm talking to is nice, too.

error404ts said,
I like having data and phone service while using Maps - knowing where I'm going and keeping track of traffic while talking to the person that I'm going to see is nice. Or texting a picture (or emailing it) to the person that I'm talking to is nice, too.

So your doing this all while driving? That sounds real safe.

Honestly, is anyone gonna use 5gb of data on a smart phone?

I got a hard time using 2gb on my droid, with teathering and downloading all sorts of ****.

virtorio said,
As opposed to on AT&T where users can't even get the car started.

That made as much sense as seeing a cow fly on it's own powers

Hopefully this doesn't force higher rates on those with Verizon that can live with having internet on just our computers, but I'm sure it will soon enough. When it happens I guess it'll be time to start shopping around again.

I might think of going back to VZW if the price is right .. Also, I never had any issues when
I calling for support. I'll see what happens tomorrow. ...

The New Iphone coming to VZW will not use LTE. Verzion already announced that LTE capable phones would not arrive until February. Even MSFT has just finish the CDMA revisions for their hardware and phones won't be released until Feb. HTC has been waiting on the final specs and it is expcted to have one of the first cellphones on VZW to use LTE. It is expected the HTC Trophy which is a CDMA phone will be the first of many phones. This phone runs Windows Phone 7. Google has also received final specs for LTE and they too will be passing this on to phone makers so they can make LTE based phones.

Facts show Android users on verizon consume 4x's as much data as iphone users on ATT. if VZW can handle what they ahve now, then it is obvious they can handle what si coming.

ATT claims faster speeds, yet here in Chicago ,u Droid Incredible loads way faster even on Flash pages which iPhone can't load at all. I tested it using a site that offers a full Flash page and one done in HTML5...namely VerizonWireless.com and my Droid loaded way faster on 3G vs ATT.

Yes SOME peopel in the USA, mostly California enjoy very fast speeds, but not the rest of us. VZW also has more users at 93M vs ATT. VZW covers more of the country with 3G vs ATT.

VZW offers way more advantages over ATT. Also VZW is expected to keep unlimited data plans, which ATT has dropped. Which was stupid. Even Sprint and T-Mobile still have unlimited data plans. ATT will say anyhting to prevet the mass exodus of iPhone holders to VZW. Looks like the Isrealites are leaving Egypt. Good Pharoah.

I have never needed to look or do anything "online" while talking to someone on the phone.... I talk to them, and if something needs to be investigated, I look it up after I'm done talking.... There is like what... 24 hours in day still... plenty of time.

shakey said,
I have never needed to look or do anything "online" while talking to someone on the phone.... I talk to them, and if something needs to be investigated, I look it up after I'm done talking.... There is like what... 24 hours in day still... plenty of time.

What is not important to you may be important to others.

Shadrack said,

What is not important to you may be important to others.

Too true. My job requires that I multitask. And it has me on the go a lot.

Around here, AT&T is about 2-3mbps and Verizon Wireless peaks at around 800kbps...so yeah there is a bit of a difference there. The other thing to note is Verizon has better 3g coverage compared to AT&T. So they both have their pros and cons in my area.

People need to realize that networks vary location-to-location in the very vast USA. What may be true in one location isn't necessarily true in another location. So **** talking and network fanboism on an Internet forum is pretty pointless. All you can do is describe your experiences. I have had both AT&T and Verizon and found them both to be adequate providers in my area.

Shadrack said,
Around here, AT&T is about 2-3mbps and Verizon Wireless peaks at around 800kbps...so yeah there is a bit of a difference there. The other thing to note is Verizon has better 3g coverage compared to AT&T. So they both have their pros and cons in my area.

People need to realize that networks vary location-to-location in the very vast USA. What may be true in one location isn't necessarily true in another location. So **** talking and network fanboism on an Internet forum is pretty pointless. All you can do is describe your experiences. I have had both AT&T and Verizon and found them both to be adequate providers in my area.

+100 - ATT sucks here in Chicago, while VZW is awesome.

Good luck getting that email while on the phone with your boss for that important deal.
Good luck buying a movie ticket to a show with your significant other on the phone.
Good luck playing a game on your phone while your on the phone.
Good luck downloading a app while your on the phone.

In short, good luck with doing anything voice or data at the same time because you simply can't.

With that being said, is it really a iPhone or is it yet another touchscreen device that you can't use voice and data at the same time?

Rudy Crichlow Jr. said,
Good luck getting that email while on the phone with your boss for that important deal.
Good luck buying a movie ticket to a show with your significant other on the phone.
Good luck playing a game on your phone while your on the phone.
Good luck downloading a app while your on the phone.

In short, good luck with doing anything voice or data at the same time because you simply can't.

With that being said, is it really a iPhone or is it yet another touchscreen device that you can't use voice and data at the same time?


Here we go....
1st. AT&T dropped the price of the iphone 3GS because they are trying to hold onto people who might think they get a betteer experience with a iPhone on a Verizon network.

2nd. The iPhone brought everyone to a point were talking and surfing the web became a TRUE reality. Point blank you cant do voice and data at the same time on any other network other than AT&T.

3rd. There is a reason AT&T had the iPhone for so long and other carriers didn't. No other network is ready. Verizon is still not ready.

4th. If AT&T had problems with the iPhone on a broader network Verizon will be stifled on a cdmanetwork which is not very strong with transmitting data.

5th. Business customers who need to have voice and data at the same time will remain with AT&T. There's nothing worse than having to hangup the phone to do any data task. "excuse me boss let me get off the phone with you say I can review that important document you sent me" not happening.

6th. The iphone won't be a iPhone. Verizon will simply have another touchscreen device uncapable

2nd. The iPhone brought everyone to a point were talking and surfing the web became a TRUE reality. Point blank you cant do voice and data at the same time on any other network other than AT&T.
Um you can on T-Mobile....

3rd. There is a reason AT&T had the iPhone for so long and other carriers didn't. No other network is ready. Verizon is still not ready.
Yeh its because AT&T paid Apple a **** ton of money to keep the iPhone exclusive to them until 2011.

/- Razorfold said,
Um you can on T-Mobile....

Yes I used my iPhone, bought SIM free in Europe and therefore with MMS enabled, on T-Mobile but I did not have 3G: T-Mobile uses 1700 frequencies which are not compatible with the iPhone. Said that better slow than with AT&T.

Fritzly said,

Yes I used my iPhone, bought SIM free in Europe and therefore with MMS enabled, on T-Mobile but I did not have 3G: T-Mobile uses 1700 frequencies which are not compatible with the iPhone. Said that better slow than with AT&T.


He wasn't talking about the iPhone..he was talking about using data and voice at the same time.

/- Razorfold said,

He wasn't talking about the iPhone..he was talking about using data and voice at the same time.

Correct and you stated "Um you can on T-Mobile...." and I donfirmed that it was true; I also added that my iPhone had further functionalities not available on the TA&T crippled ones.

I'm gonna LOL when VZW's network becomes saturated and start having the same issues as AT&T now... I think if anything the switch from ppl from AT&T to VZW is gonna be good for AT&T. It will free up the network a little bit and benefit me!

"The iPhone is built for speed, but that's not what you get with a CDMA phone" I didn't realize the iPhone was 4G. Oh, wait.

I've been with AT&T and enjoy the service. 3G is plenty fast, even when I'm at work, and I work in what's basically a concrete fortress (a secure mental hospital) where I generally have about 1 bar, if that. No dropped calls for me either (on a WP7 device).

spenser.d said,
I've been with AT&T and enjoy the service. 3G is plenty fast, even when I'm at work, and I work in what's basically a concrete fortress (a secure mental hospital) where I generally have about 1 bar, if that. No dropped calls for me either (on a WP7 device).
I've had similar experiences with AT&T (in Richmond, VA). My data is plenty fast and I very, very rarely drop a call (using an iPhone 4).

I switched from Verizon to AT&T for the iPhone, I'm in no rush to switch back unless the rates are less. They're equally bad (or good) around here.

jafoman said,
At least for now, AT&T is telling the truth. I'd really hate to not be able to use data while being on a phone call. I use that frequently.

http://www.mobile-broadband-re...stest-mobile-broadband.html

Interesting link but the problem is that it is based on averages; so you could have one really insanely fast mobile phone tower and thus pull the over all average up where as Verizon might be consistent across the board without the massive swings from one extreme to another - I would sooner them provide the 'middle' number for each carrier as to knock off the extremes. Its all very nice to have a couple of really fast towers but I'm sure most here would sooner have consistent coverage and speed nationwide.

I really wish this mean the iphone was being released on all us su subscribers but im sure verizon themselves locked in some other arrangement and it will again only be available on the.top two providers.

As for speed im sorry but id rather the reliability of the network/infrastructure over what little speed they (att) so-call claim

Singh400 said,
Well there are hardly going to say "Yeah, they are the 'fast lane' join them!" are they?

LOL. They as might as well have advertised "Join T-Mobile. There network is just as crappy as ours but you don't pay as much."

UndergroundWire said,

LOL. They as might as well have advertised "Join T-Mobile. There network is just as crappy as ours but you don't pay as much."


They are trying to get better at least.
AT&T is resting on its... success? whatever it is they think they are resting on, they should get their heads out of their b***s and do something about it.

GS:mac

UndergroundWire said,

They as might as well have advertised "Join T-Mobile.

I'm on T-Mobile with my Blackberrry 9700 and I can 3G browse the web, email, text message, and voice all at the same time. Except for a few bad coverage areas, my unlimited family plan for data, voice, etc. has been flawless and wonderfully affordable. Their customer service has been awesome too.

Just my two cents from the Los Angeles area.

UndergroundWire said,

LOL. They as might as well have advertised "Join T-Mobile. There network is just as crappy as ours but you don't pay as much."


Depends where you live. T-Mobile may not have the greatest coverage, but where it exists its fast. Random speedtests (either through the app on my phone, or through dslreports) put my speeds at or above 2.5mbps (max I've seen is 4). Whereas my roomates Captivate on AT&T barely gives him 800kbps.

/- Razorfold said,

Depends where you live. T-Mobile may not have the greatest coverage, but where it exists its fast. Random speedtests (either through the app on my phone, or through dslreports) put my speeds at or above 2.5mbps (max I've seen is 4). Whereas my roomates Captivate on AT&T barely gives him 800kbps.

My parent live in New York. They have problems in the spring when the leaves start to grow in the park nearby. I'm being serious here that's what the t-Mobile customer joke service told them why the coverage is bad.

At&t is lucky my work pays for my bill. Straight up garbage on their part. There should be serious fines for their false advertising.

Victor V. said,
And that makes business sense how?

Does not improving customer satisfaction make business sense? It does on my book.....

Fritzly said,

Does not improving customer satisfaction make business sense? It does on my book.....

what good is great customer service, if the phone service is still crappy? They need to invest in both.

TechieXP said,
what good is great customer service, if the phone service is still crappy? They need to invest in both.

Exactly; I was replying to the previous poster that was questioning why spending more on infrastructures and less on marketing would make business sense......

The only problems i see coming to verizon will be people who don't know any better about how VZW's CDMA network does not allow them to use the data connection while still on the phone :-/

ensiform said,
The only problems i see coming to verizon will be people who don't know any better about how VZW's CDMA network does not allow them to use the data connection while still on the phone :-/

But isn't that the case only when there's no data coverage? I can be on calls on my Droid 2 and use the internet. I don't know technical details, but my guess is that it simply has 2 discrete radios (for voice and data). My old dumb (non-smart) phone had this problem, but I'd be rather surprised if a modern smartphone like the iPhone was subject to this limitation.

ensiform said,
The only problems i see coming to verizon will be people who don't know any better about how VZW's CDMA network does not allow them to use the data connection while still on the phone :-/

This fact hasnt seemed to affect sales of other smartphones on vzw.

ensiform said,
The only problems i see coming to verizon will be people who don't know any better about how VZW's CDMA network does not allow them to use the data connection while still on the phone :-/

The CDG published an update to the CDMA specification (in 8/17/09) to allow this, http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2009/Aug17_09.asp. The question is did Verizon update their hardware to allow this.

primortal said,

The CDG published an update to the CDMA specification (in 8/17/09) to allow this, http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2009/Aug17_09.asp. The question is did Verizon update their hardware to allow this.

No they haven't. What he'd not realizing is he's on WiFi not 3G. I can tell you for a fact without Wifi on a Droid 1, Droid 2, Droid Incredible and Droid X, you can not talk and surf at the same time while on the 3G network. Only when you are on WiFi.

Or I can be completely wrong and he's in a special test area than no media outlet has heard of Verizon deploying. Verizon is concentrating on LTE.

efjay said,

This fact hasnt seemed to affect sales of other smartphones on vzw.

Not true. Android sales are weak on there network and they barely turned a profit. Verizon has to go LTE. Coma is bogged down. They are in trouble. Good luck VZW....

Kaidiir said,

But isn't that the case only when there's no data coverage? I can be on calls on my Droid 2 and use the internet. I don't know technical details, but my guess is that it simply has 2 discrete radios (for voice and data). My old dumb (non-smart) phone had this problem, but I'd be rather surprised if a modern smartphone like the iPhone was subject to this limitation.

You are correct. Some older smartphones were not capable of doing data and calls at the same time because they only had one antenna. 3G phones have both antennas.

UndergroundWire said,
No they haven't. What he'd not realizing is he's on WiFi not 3G. I can tell you for a fact without Wifi on a Droid 1, Droid 2, Droid Incredible and Droid X, you can not talk and surf at the same time while on the 3G network. Only when you are on WiFi.

Or I can be completely wrong and he's in a special test area than no media outlet has heard of Verizon deploying. Verizon is concentrating on LTE.

From what I have heard Verizon is deploying LTE for data devices first and then once that has done will start selling LTE hand sets. Is there any word on what they'll do in regards for high capacity sites? 700Mhz has the ability for coverage but most mobile phone vendors will couple it with a higher frequency for built up high concentration areas for capacity.

AT&T is a joke, I really don't understand how they are still in business with such horrible reviews and ratings both wireless and land line. AT&T didn't even have 3G where I live until a couple of weeks ago and from what I have heard it sucks. I have a Blackberry on Verizon with unlimited data for $30 a month and the speeds are great. I am sure the iPhone on the Verizon network either 3G or LTE will blow away AT&T's....

I don't even have a cell phone and I can smell the BS a mile away. Like anyone is going to take AT&T seriously -- they're the worst-rated carrier in America!

Hey AT&T, what good is a high-speed carrier if they constantly drop your calls?

Educated Idiot said,
I don't even have a cell phone and I can smell the BS a mile away. Like anyone is going to take AT&T seriously -- they're the worst-rated carrier in America!

Hey AT&T, what good is a high-speed carrier if they constantly drop your calls?

Here is the problem tho... I've had AT&T for years, since it wast AT&T before it switched to Cingular and I can probably count the amount of dropped calls with 1 hand.

chisss said,

Here is the problem tho... I've had AT&T for years, since it wast AT&T before it switched to Cingular and I can probably count the amount of dropped calls with 1 hand.

Haha I wish I could. I would need a 300 page book written in 10pt font to cover the dropped calls I had in October 2010 alone. I make 50-60 phone calls on average per day and I dropped half to 3/4 of them.

giantsnyy said,

Haha I wish I could. I would need a 300 page book written in 10pt font to cover the dropped calls I had in October 2010 alone. I make 50-60 phone calls on average per day and I dropped half to 3/4 of them.


That sucks

giantsnyy said,

Haha I wish I could. I would need a 300 page book written in 10pt font to cover the dropped calls I had in October 2010 alone. I make 50-60 phone calls on average per day and I dropped half to 3/4 of them.

I haven't done my research, but I think that it could be related to your own phone instead of the actual network. Well it could be the network, but it seems like phone specific issue just based on personal experience. I've used At&t for a long while on a Sony Ericsson K770i, and in my area, I have never experienced this dropped call issue. My friend, on the other hand, has a BlackBerry Bold and I've seen her experience drop calls all the time.
So, I'm not saying this issue is of no concern, but I do think there is not enough information about this thing. o.O

Buttus said,
the company with the worst rated network saying that Verizon will be "life in the slow lane"?

LOL

AT&T's 3G is still faster and lets you make calls while you're using data.

Elliott said,
AT&T's 3G is still faster and lets you make calls while you're using data.

Correction

AT&T's 3G is still faster (if you're not inside a building) and lets you make dropped calls while you're using the slow data if you're inside a house or building.

You're Welcome.

P.S. I can talk and surf at the same time on my Verizon smartphone. It's called WiFi which I have at work and home. Never had to actually use it.

Elliott said,
AT&T's 3G is still faster and lets you make calls while you're using data.

Not according to this thing we call "facts".

"Verizon also placed first in Wired.com's 3G speed test across the United States, where AT&T finished last in 2009."

UndergroundWire said,

Correction

AT&T's 3G is still faster (if you're not inside a building) and lets you make dropped calls while you're using the slow data if you're inside a house or building.

You're Welcome.

P.S. I can talk and surf at the same time on my Verizon smartphone. It's called WiFi which I have at work and home. Never had to actually use it.

Talking and using 3G is pretty useful though

UndergroundWire said,

Correction

AT&T's 3G is still faster (if you're not inside a building) and lets you make dropped calls while you're using the slow data if you're inside a house or building.

You're Welcome.


really? because I've never had that problem...

Elliott said,
AT&T's 3G is still faster and lets you make calls while you're using data.

You cant drive fast in a Kia Rondo in 1 lane of traffic. T-Mobile is number 1 in customer satisfaction due to them giving away money to keep subscribers. The least companies give away the more they hate the carrier. Hence, AT&T last place. They don't give away anything.... You cant possibly think the phone could be fast on a coma network do you? I think you might want to do some research on that technology.

UndergroundWire said,

For the douche on the train in a busy commute thinking he is important. LOL.


Checking an e-mail or map directions, for instance, while talking to someone is quite useful. Hardly being a "douche".

Elliott said,
AT&T's 3G is still faster and lets you make calls while you're using data.

First off, all smartphones I have every used on Verizon, I could open another app that uses data while on a call. My Blackberry and Treo phones did and even my Windows Mobile devices. Feature phones did not have this ability. Feature phones and smartphones are not the same.

When ATT showed that commercial, Verzion should have sued them for not giving correct info. I have a HTC Droid Incredible (deactivated), but I used plenty of apps while on the phone. In fact when using Google Maps free turn by turn navigation, I would be on a call in speaker phone, but the volume for the mapping would be silent, yet the GPS was still working.

TechieXP said,
When ATT showed that commercial, Verzion should have sued them for not giving correct info. I have a HTC Droid Incredible (deactivated), but I used plenty of apps while on the phone. In fact when using Google Maps free turn by turn navigation, I would be on a call in speaker phone, but the volume for the mapping would be silent, yet the GPS was still working.
Google Maps caches your route so it still works while you're offline (i.e. on a call). You really can't use your data connection while you're on a call. It's just like AT&T's Edge network in that regard.

DukeEsquire said,
"Verizon also placed first in Wired.com's 3G speed test across the United States, where AT&T finished last in 2009."
AT&T's 3G is around 5 Mbps download in my area. My friend's Verizon phone gets about 800 Kbps download.

DukeEsquire said,
Not according to this thing we call "facts".

"Verizon also placed first in Wired.com's 3G speed test across the United States, where AT&T finished last in 2009."

I don't deny the craptastic nature of AT&T but it is pretty rich using a report from 2009 to talk about something in 2011 - you do realise that companies upgrade their infrastructure? Where similar networks have been deployed using the 850/2100 frequencies in Australia and New Zealand the reliability has been very high so it says more about AT&T cutting corners than necessarily anything with the technology behind the scenes.

Elliott said,
Google Maps caches your route so it still works while you're offline (i.e. on a call). You really can't use your data connection while you're on a call. It's just like AT&T's Edge network in that regard.

FYI EDGE is still GSM and does support voice/data simultaneously.

Elliott said,
AT&T's 3G is still faster and lets you make calls while you're using data.

Awesome!! I've been doing that for almost 4 years in a row here in Italy, and it's pretty much the same thing everywhere in the EU.
Really don't understand why you guys in the US are way behind the rest of the world in the mobile infrastructure.

chisss said,

really? because I've never had that problem...

Wow. Please dispute why AT&T is in last place and Verizon is always scoring better overall than AT&T?

UndergroundWire said,

Wow. Please dispute why AT&T is in last place and Verizon is always scoring better overall than AT&T?

I dunno... people seem to forget that not too long ago we didn't have such advanced internet infrastructure on our phones and like to bitch nowadays as if the world owed them something when they can't go online or make a call...

Just because people in the large metro areas complain a lot and that's where the surveys seem to take place, doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem...

Elliott said,
AT&T's 3G is still faster and lets you make calls while you're using data.

Yah AT&T's 3G is faster when you have service, in probably only five of the major cities in the US. I have had nothing but problems with them. I just switched back to Verizon and have had no problems getting service in the same exact areas where AT&T would not have service, and I've had no dropped calls either. Every call with ATT dropped eventually when I used them.

chisss said,

I dunno... people seem to forget that not too long ago we didn't have such advanced internet infrastructure on our phones and like to bitch nowadays as if the world owed them something when they can't go online or make a call...

Just because people in the large metro areas complain a lot and that's where the surveys seem to take place, doesn't mean everyone else has that same problem...

Sorry if the metro areas drag AT&T down but there not dragging Verizon down. I suppose if you live in a town that has more cows than people, then yeah AT&T 3G is faster than Verizon.

I live in New York City and I can tell you AT&T is ABSOLUTE garbage in concrete/steel buildings.

UndergroundWire said,
I live in New York City and I can tell you AT&T is ABSOLUTE garbage in concrete/steel buildings.

It always seems to be NYC or LA (or other large cities with high population density) that has trouble with AT&T, while you rarely hear of major problems outside of those areas.

Despite what the TV and movies love to make people think, NYC and LA are NOT representative of the conditions in the other 99% of the country.

DomFel said,

Awesome!! I've been doing that for almost 4 years in a row here in Italy, and it's pretty much the same thing everywhere in the EU.
Really don't understand why you guys in the US are way behind the rest of the world in the mobile infrastructure.

This.

I don't think the US is behind tech wise, the operators are rolling out LTE networks, but coverage wise they seem to be way behind and stuck in the dark ages of mobile coverage "one operator, one set of base stations" .

I'm not sure how it works in Italy but in the UK the four mobile networks, which are O2, T-Mobile, Orange and Vodafone, share network base stations meaning that most places have coverage from at least three of the four networks. Also Ofcom has just allowed the 1800MHz portion of 2G spectrum to be used for 3G data on UK networks.

Edited by neo158, Jan 12 2011, 3:21am :

how does AT&T know for sure? The verizon iPhone could turn out to be LTE, which would be faster then AT&T's network... but right now in my area our verizon aircard connections, we get about 3Mbit down, which isn't really slow... but our new LTE network that they are testing we get about 15 Mbit down on the new LTE aircards

neufuse said,
how does AT&T know for sure? The verizon iPhone could turn out to be LTE, which would be faster then AT&T's network... but right now in my area our verizon aircard connections, we get about 3Mbit down, which isn't really slow... but our new LTE network that they are testing we get about 15 Mbit down on the new LTE aircards

doubtful it will be on LTE since their LTE network is lacking in coverage. They will get far more sales staying on their 3G network.

neufuse said,
how does AT&T know for sure? The verizon iPhone could turn out to be LTE, which would be faster then AT&T's network... but right now in my area our verizon aircard connections, we get about 3Mbit down, which isn't really slow... but our new LTE network that they are testing we get about 15 Mbit down on the new LTE aircards
I'm sure they know what Apple is up too because they knew enough to drop the price of the iPhone 3GS in advance of the actual announcement. Sure, Apple plays things close to its chest, but I think it would be pretty tough to ignore the largest base of iPhones (AT&T) while launching on Verizon.

Not to mention that LTE is lacking coverage and battery life, the latter of which would not sit well with the Steve.

Voice of Buddy Christ said,
I'll wait for the first 4G iPhone. Hopefully on Sprint's WiMAX network.

A 4G iPhone will be the iPhone 6. I don't think that the iPhone 5 due out this summer will be a 4G phone by any means.

Voice of Buddy Christ said,
I'll wait for the first 4G iPhone. Hopefully on Sprint's WiMAX network.

Ask yourself this. Why do I need 4G?

If you are in a good 3G coverage and don't tether, you don't need 4G. I really wish consumers can research this. Otherwise you're just getting slightly faster website rendering speeds (remember the phone can only handle what the processor is capable of doing. It's like running FiOS on a crappy computer from 1999) and a faster battery drain.

Personally I tether, so I want 4G.

Voice of Buddy Christ said,
I'll wait for the first 4G iPhone. Hopefully on Sprint's WiMAX network.

I doubt we'll be seeing LTE phones anytime soon - pretty much around the world there are carriers who are still in the phase of rolling out W-CDMA/HSDPA+ so before they can jump to LTE they've go to move to UMTS first.

UndergroundWire said,
A 4G iPhone will be the iPhone 6. I don't think that the iPhone 5 due out this summer will be a 4G phone by any means.
Like I said, I'll wait for the 4G iPhone.

jimmyfal said,
All cell phone providers=crooks.

That is there business model. The reason they offer the toys (iPhone, Android, W7) is because the service is poor all around. The voice calls are still as bad sounding as ever, the caps are silly and the support if you ever have an issue is hideous. We really are all morons for even buying a smartphone with a dataplan.

where AT&T will finally lose their exclusive hold on the iPhone since it debuted in 2007.

..In America, you can get iPhone on various networks in the UK, I think.

Tjcrazy said,

..In America, you can get iPhone on various networks in the UK, I think.
Yes it's just in the US, in Canada you can get an iPhone from all the "big" companies

Tjcrazy said,

..In America, you can get iPhone on various networks in the UK, I think.

Yep in the UK can buy it sim free and on every single network.

thealexweb said,

Yep in the UK can buy it sim free and on every single network.

Almost All the GSM companies have the iPhone except tmobile. That's simply because there networks can handle the phone....

Last week, AT&T dropped their price of the iPhone 3GS from $99 to $49, a last ditch effort to secure as many new iPhone customers as possible before Verizon launches the CDMA iPhone.

Not really, Apple decreased the price by $50, ATT just did it a few days ahead of Apple

Rudy said,

Not really, Apple decreased the price by $50, ATT just did it a few days ahead of Apple

Or was it that AT&T dropped it first, and Apple copied. Still don't see your point though.

Andrew Lyle said,

Or was it that AT&T dropped it first, and Apple copied. Still don't see your point though.
Fine...

Andrew Lyle said,

Or was it that AT&T dropped it first, and Apple copied. Still don't see your point though.

Apple sets the general retail prices for their products, not the stores (they are allowed a little leeway, but usually only a dollar or two), so Apple had to at least approve the price drop in advance.

Andrew Lyle said,

Or was it that AT&T dropped it first, and Apple copied. Still don't see your point though.

ATT would have tpo get the OK from Apple to drop the price because Apple would have to sell them at the same cost. So I am sure Apple dropped the cost, ATT ust released the lower cost faster.

roadwarrior said,

Apple sets the general retail prices for their products, not the stores (they are allowed a little leeway, but usually only a dollar or two), so Apple had to at least approve the price drop in advance.

Why? Subsidized means exactly that. The price of the phone IS STILL $500 or w/e.

A lot actually.

Also, Verizon is rumored to be offering unlimited data this go around...if that is the case, it will be interesting to see if people flock to that plan.

Skin said,
A lot actually.

Also, Verizon is rumored to be offering unlimited data this go around...if that is the case, it will be interesting to see if people flock to that plan.


Somehow I seriously doubt it, after they all scrambled to drop all-you-can-eat plans. Why would they change that now?

ir0nw0lf said,

Somehow I seriously doubt it, after they all scrambled to drop all-you-can-eat plans. Why would they change that now?

to get as many people to switch as possible then change it back after the 2 year contracts are over..

ir0nw0lf said,

Somehow I seriously doubt it, after they all scrambled to drop all-you-can-eat plans. Why would they change that now?
Because their unlimited plans have a true cap at 5 GB. How it's not false advertising is beyond me.

pickypg said,
Because their unlimited plans have a true cap at 5 GB. How it's not false advertising is beyond me.

5GB cap is only for modems not smartphones.

Lachlan said,

to get as many people to switch as possible then change it back after the 2 year contracts are over..


That would mean having unlimited plans for 4 years. I can't see them wanting that.

cdandrews said,
5GB cap is only for modems not smartphones.

I'm not too sure. I recently signed a contract with US Cellular for a Samsung Galaxy S Mesmerize, and the contract clearly said "Unlimited Data - 5Gb Max". I don't have anything but the phone with them, so it had to be referring to the phone.

ir0nw0lf said,

Somehow I seriously doubt it, after they all scrambled to drop all-you-can-eat plans. Why would they change that now?

I think they'd be able to do that because once people get over the excitement of having unlimited data, usage would go back to normal and no more extremes. In the beginning, they'll have a lot of people abusing it just because they can. I pay $30 for 6GB/month. I went over 500MB only once because of wifi and using my phone for what it's meant to be used for. Even when I didn't have internet at home, that was the one time I went over. I hit 527MB that month. I check my emails a min. of 20-30 times a day, keep an eye on about 10-15 sites throughout the day regularly and other things. I've even tethered that month a bit.

My point is that once everyone gets over the unlimited thing, we'll go back to normal usage and it won't hurt them. It's the other mobile devices used for everyday regular usage with PC's, etc... that they need to worry about using caps with. Mobile phones and similar should be unlimited. Tablets and other mobile devices similar to that should have caps, if that's their view. I don't like caps at all but we need to be realisic. We won't be in a world like that, at least not for now.

Joey H said,

I'm not too sure. I recently signed a contract with US Cellular for a Samsung Galaxy S Mesmerize, and the contract clearly said "Unlimited Data - 5Gb Max". I don't have anything but the phone with them, so it had to be referring to the phone.

We are talking about Verizon.

Joey H said,

I'm not too sure. I recently signed a contract with US Cellular for a Samsung Galaxy S Mesmerize, and the contract clearly said "Unlimited Data - 5Gb Max". I don't have anything but the phone with them, so it had to be referring to the phone.

How can companies get away with such statements is beyond my understanding: "Unlimited" is unlimited, "5GB max" is not unlimited..... it is so simple.
This really show how competent and concerned about Citizens all those people in Capitoll Hill are.

cdandrews said,
5GB cap is only for modems not smartphones.

But it is silly to differentiate - data is data regardless of whether it comes from a 3G thumb device or a smartphone. I would sooner they have a pricing that covered both modems and smartphones then leave it up to the customer how they want to use the device then you wouldn't have the silly 'tethering' surcharges that some carriers charge.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

But it is silly to differentiate - data is data regardless of whether it comes from a 3G thumb device or a smartphone. I would sooner they have a pricing that covered both modems and smartphones then leave it up to the customer how they want to use the device then you wouldn't have the silly 'tethering' surcharges that some carriers charge.

No it isn't exactly silly. A Smartphone can't churn through as much data as a computer for power users unless it is tethered to a PC...

I easily chew up terabytes of data a month on my PC with a decent internet connection. Give me that via wireless and due to the slower nature I can estimate 500GB or more easily. I can't easily top 10GB on my Smartphone...

Frazell Thomas said,
No it isn't exactly silly. A Smartphone can't churn through as much data as a computer for power users unless it is tethered to a PC...

I easily chew up terabytes of data a month on my PC with a decent internet connection. Give me that via wireless and due to the slower nature I can estimate 500GB or more easily. I can't easily top 10GB on my Smartphone...

Which doesn't make sense; if you can't churn through as much data then the whole 'flat rate' is a gimmick rather than anything realistic.

Joey H said,

I'm not too sure. I recently signed a contract with US Cellular for a Samsung Galaxy S Mesmerize, and the contract clearly said "Unlimited Data - 5Gb Max". I don't have anything but the phone with them, so it had to be referring to the phone.

US Cellular, AT&T, and T-Mobile all have "unlimited" plans that have a 5GB limit for smartphones. Verizon has a true unlimited plan with NO cap for smartphones. I am unsure about Sprint, they change things too frequently.

Caleo said,
What does speed matter when both providers charge so much and set such a small allowance for usage?

True, true, and not only that but when the HSDPA+ coverage is only in a small number of areas too - so you have a choice, a nation wide consistently fast network (Verizon) or a fast network but only in specific locations (AT&T). As you've also noted, people don't make decisions on 'speed' alone or questionable benchmarketing that takes place.

Caleo said,
What does speed matter when both providers charge so much and set such a small allowance for usage?

Well, I would laugh when Verizon's customer satisfaction rating fall of the cliff. Verizon's network is only slightly better than AT&T's. All those iPhone users would complain about exactly the same thing on Verizon.

I've read Consumer Rating which ranked AT&T last is consumer satisfaction. It turns out that well above half of those respondents are iPhone users.

Not only that, but Verizon is also more expensive and give fewer minutes, fewer texts, and less data.

All of these assuming that the rumor is even true.

Caleo said,
What does speed matter when both providers charge so much and set such a small allowance for usage?

The Verizon unlimited data plan really is unlimited for phones. The only limit that Verizon has is for the Air Card data plans which is 5GB/Month. Verizon's network is great in nearly all of the areas I use it, as with any network there will be spots that have little or no service.