Ballmer slams iPad, Nexus and Kindle, says they are not useable

 

The Surface tablet from Microsoft is a sales hit out of the gate, even though the first reviews for the Windows RT-based tablet are a little mixed. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer still feels that the Surface gives people what they really wanted in a tablet device all along.

Ballmer said in an interview with CNBC that the iPad, along with the Nexus tablet from Google and Amazon's Kindle Fire are not what the general public really wanted in the first place. He stated:

You can go through the products from all those guys … and none of them has a product that you can really use. Not Apple. Not Google. Not Amazon. Nobody has a product that lets you work and play that can be your tablet and your PC. Not at any price point.

The reviews of the Surface do say that the tablet is well suited for both work and recreation. However, Apple CEO Tim Cook doesn't seem to care for the Surface, claiming last week, "I suppose you could design a car that flies and floats, but I don’t think it would do all of those things very well."

At the moment, it seems that people do in fact want to buy a tablet product that is for both work and play.

Via: AllThingsD.com
Source: CNBC.com

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I like the core of the windows operating system.

But. that is just about where it stops for microsoft, most of their software is far to integrated into the system, and having to 'install' as an application to view example code 'from msdn' is just bullsh*t.

And IE! that program has made me question Microsoft's ability to produce anything but an OS or even how good of a coding job is done on the OS.

I am nostalgic for the good old days where an OS was an OS and that was it! a platform to build upon, not a try hard, do everything, in a crappy way.

Exchange usability on IPAD... Try to edit a calendar event someone sends you to add notes to it. Not possible. Try to search the server for an email - Not possible. Outlook can do this... Windows phone can do this.. ios= screwed.

Things you can do on a surface RT that you can't do on an ipad -
1) Flash
2) Print to over 200,000 printers natively
3) One Note. I guess you could say that's like an office app, but if you ever used it, it rocks. Even pro can get one note metro style for free
4) Plug 1 of 1 million usb devices into it including usb burner to burn cd's from your music or backup to dvd. Connect a usb mouse to it. Connect a usb xbox controller into it
5) Expand the storage cheaply. add sd card and whoa... 32 or 64 gb more dirt cheap
6) Wireless connected in 2 seconds (not sure how fast and ipad is on this one)

I have an exopc. x86 with windows pro upgrade that i bought for it. 11 inch screen and i run office 2010 on it. it does snap, (720p resolution). It wasn't designed for windows 8 but run's it great except screen rotation. (no drive for windows 8 yet for that) Boots in 5 seconds since it has a 64gb sdd. Intel atom single core with hyperthreading processor and 2gb of ram, + processor is 64bit... although ram maxes at 2gb as per mainboard. battery life is only 4 hour of continious use... but for a total proce of 329 on ebay and 40.00 for windows 8 it kicks the crap outta any ipad for usability. It does everything the surface RT does and more


The part that I find useful is the "charm" where you can search within the app that I was on. When I showed surface to my niece, she ask if she can install google on the RT? I told her that why would she need to open the google apps when all she need to do is just type the search like Pasta and select "All Recipe" apps or search Paranormal Activities and select "Flixster" apps.

Larry Willits said,
Exchange usability on IPAD... Try to edit a calendar event someone sends you to add notes to it. Not possible. Try to search the server for an email - Not possible. Outlook can do this... Windows phone can do this.. ios= screwed.

Things you can do on a surface RT that you can't do on an ipad -
1) Flash
2) Print to over 200,000 printers natively
3) One Note. I guess you could say that's like an office app, but if you ever used it, it rocks. Even pro can get one note metro style for free
4) Plug 1 of 1 million usb devices into it including usb burner to burn cd's from your music or backup to dvd. Connect a usb mouse to it. Connect a usb xbox controller into it
5) Expand the storage cheaply. add sd card and whoa... 32 or 64 gb more dirt cheap
6) Wireless connected in 2 seconds (not sure how fast and ipad is on this one)

I have an exopc. x86 with windows pro upgrade that i bought for it. 11 inch screen and i run office 2010 on it. it does snap, (720p resolution). It wasn't designed for windows 8 but run's it great except screen rotation. (no drive for windows 8 yet for that) Boots in 5 seconds since it has a 64gb sdd. Intel atom single core with hyperthreading processor and 2gb of ram, + processor is 64bit... although ram maxes at 2gb as per mainboard. battery life is only 4 hour of continious use... but for a total proce of 329 on ebay and 40.00 for windows 8 it kicks the crap outta any ipad for usability. It does everything the surface RT does and more


Funny how half of Neowin is up in arms when Tim Cook says something negative about the Surface, yet most of that outrage is put aside when Ballmer does the same thing. Interesting.

I'm sorry, I love windows 8 but I'm really getting tired of this "work and play" bullcrap motto they have going on. We're not 5 years old guys, it makes me not want to take the computer seriously when I hear that line.

And Surface RT is useable? Yeah right lol. It has outdated hardware, no apps, a fugly ui, and some crippled version of the desktop that only runs Microsoft apps. No wonder he's talking trash about the competition, since his own product sucks that much that he needs to deflect attention away from it.

In the mean time, my Nexus 7 is running great, but thanks for asking Steve "I like to throw chairs" Ballmer.

This is typical Baller ass talking... He must have watched Ace Ventura Pet Detective over and over and said to himself "this ass-talking thing is pretty cool, I'll do it 24/7!".

He might want to talk to all the Fortune 500 organizations that are doing iPad deployments. And while he's at it, he might want to check out all the corporate targeted and commercial apps that have been developed for iPad allowing it to be a corporate tool rather than a "recreational tablet" and think twice before he shoves his foot so far up his ass it's coming out of his mouth.

What a dumb schmuck!

zeroomegazx said,
I remember when Ballmer laughed at the iPhone.......

Yeah, it has no appeal to business customers because it does not have a keyboard!

He's right actually. The Surface (pro) can run any regular Windows application along with tablet specific apps from the Windows Store.

iPad, Kindle and Nexus are all actually just toys meant for entertainment only.

The Dark Knight said,
He's right actually. The Surface (pro) can run any regular Windows application along with tablet specific apps from the Windows Store.

There were Windows 7 tablets that could "run any regular Windows application" out long before Surface, yet hardly anyone bought them. I wonder why.. Perhaps it's because touch sucks on the Windows desktop, it always has, and always will.

The Dark Knight said,

iPad, Kindle and Nexus are all actually just toys meant for entertainment only.

So why are businesses and governments snapping them up? This is what Microsoft is afraid of - that businesses, governments, and consumers realise that Windows isn't necessary any more to get work done or play.

I think 2012-2013 will be remembered as the years when Microsoft began its death spiral.

Yea. Ballmer knows what he is talking about because the Exchange Integration in iPad just does not work. NOT! It works superb!

More crap from Microsoft.

I wonder does Ballmer got paid for slamming other people ideas and I wouldn't be surprised that down the line even Microsoft will release a 7" tablet. Just wait and watch.

Princess Chica Ami said,
I wonder does Ballmer got paid for slamming other people ideas and I wouldn't be surprised that down the line even Microsoft will release a 7" tablet. Just wait and watch.

I wonder if Jobs got paid for slamming other people ideas and I wouldn't be surprised that down the line even Apple will release a 7" tablet. Don't need to wait and watch, he did slam 7" tablets, and did release one.

well, he's right. ipad/android tablets are just toys compared to win8 tablets. and out of all win8 tablets, surface is the best. however surface pro will really make the cut as the ultimate pc replacement. surface rt is just the best pc replacement for light pc users. but for people that want zero compromise, pro is the way to go.

neonspark said,
well, he's right. ipad/android tablets are just toys compared to win8 tablets. and out of all win8 tablets, surface is the best. however surface pro will really make the cut as the ultimate pc replacement. surface rt is just the best pc replacement for light pc users. but for people that want zero compromise, pro is the way to go.

You should try a Lenovo Convertible Thinkpad........

neonspark said,
well, he's right. ipad/android tablets are just toys compared to win8 tablets. and out of all win8 tablets, surface is the best. however surface pro will really make the cut as the ultimate pc replacement. surface rt is just the best pc replacement for light pc users. but for people that want zero compromise, pro is the way to go.

How much are you being paid per post? Just wondering.

JessJess said,
What a joke. Sales numbers and satisfaction will let him know whats 'usable' anyway.

Yes, it will. 670 million copies of Win7 show which OS is really useful. And that momentum will carry over to Win8/RT.

nohone said,

670 million copies of Win7 show which OS is really useful. And that momentum will carry over to Win8/RT.

Urm. Wtf? XD

Edited by Joswin, Oct 29 2012, 4:57pm :

JessJess said,

Urm. Wtf? XD

We know you want to try to prove that your precious Apple is the best by talking about number of sales, but when sales are used to show Apple is not best, then ignore and mock the sales numbers.

nohone said,

We know you want to try to prove that your precious Apple is the best by talking about number of sales, but when sales are used to show Apple is not best, then ignore and mock the sales numbers.

Wow.... I don't even own an iPad lol. Sorry about the chip on your shoulder, must have shares in Microsoft I guess.

Hope you are enjoying your Zune anyway. You know since the momentum carried over......

nohone said,
Hater

He's merely stating fact. Windows Phone 7 sure enjoyed much of that momentum you spoke of too... /s

Well I have Windows 8 on a tablet, and I never use it. It's just no fun touching things. Although, I did think about buying a one of those laptops were the screen flips. That actually sounds useful.

Such an Apple-like comment, i guess they are being 'more like apple'

A tablet is not a PC, and to be honest, neither is the Surface (WinRT).. If the Surface is truly a hybrid, why is it bashing devices that do not fall into the same category?

The pro on the other hand, is a pc in tablet form, but the price is so out there it's still not really competing with ipads, kindle, nexus etc..

Might be true for some people, for people whose "work" requires no more than Office and a web browser . For me I can't use a single program on the Surface that I need for my work it's no more useful than any of the other devices he mentioned.

Does it make a better content consumption device than an iPad or a Nexus 7? Not at the moment, the Apps aren't there and I prefer the form factor of the Nexus 7.

Different story with the Surface Pro of course.

virtorio said,
Might be true for some people, for people whose "work" requires no more than Office and a web browser . For me I can't use a single program on the Surface that I need for my work it's no more useful than any of the other devices he mentioned.

Does it make a better content consumption device than an iPad or a Nexus 7? Not at the moment, the Apps aren't there and I prefer the form factor of the Nexus 7.

Different story with the Surface Pro of course.

You're forgetting Windows RT has true multitasking or at least much better than the iOS or Android, e.g. on Win RT you can type a document and watch Netflix at the same time, type a document and snap the messaging or email app, type a document and do a video recording at the same time which is very useful in recording lectures and taking notes at the same time.

I do agree that WinRT doesn't have enough apps compared to iOS or Android but if you want a tablet to be more productive, there's only one.

Well, somewhat true multi-tasking. In order for two Metro apps to multitask, they have to be on screen. Case in point, try streaming a song from Metro IE and put the browser in the background. The song stops.

Also there's no drag and drop between Metro apps. There's limited communication between Metro apps.

So apart from Office (which I don't use), Surface doesn't really offer me much for productivity that another tablet doesn't.

Elmer.Fernandes said,

You're forgetting Windows RT has true multitasking or at least much better than the iOS or Android, e.g. on Win RT you can type a document and watch Netflix at the same time, type a document and snap the messaging or email app, type a document and do a video recording at the same time which is very useful in recording lectures and taking notes at the same time.

I do agree that WinRT doesn't have enough apps compared to iOS or Android but if you want a tablet to be more productive, there's only one.

Elmer.Fernandes said,

You're forgetting Windows RT has true multitasking or at least much better than the iOS or Android, e.g. on Win RT you can type a document and watch Netflix at the same time, type a document and snap the messaging or email app, type a document and do a video recording at the same time which is very useful in recording lectures and taking notes at the same time.

I do agree that WinRT doesn't have enough apps compared to iOS or Android but if you want a tablet to be more productive, there's only one.

Really? I have been using Toshiba Tablets for almost ten years and they have been so useful that I never bought another laptop; of course I am speaking of Tablet PCs and, IMO, the Surface RT is not as useful as a full x86 Tablet.

Fritzly said,

Really? I have been using Toshiba Tablets for almost ten years and they have been so useful that I never bought another laptop; of course I am speaking of Tablet PCs and, IMO, the Surface RT is not as useful as a full x86 Tablet.

Well obviously the x86 is way better than Win RT at least for now, I am going to get the Surface Pro when its out.

icwhatudidthere said,
Well, somewhat true multi-tasking. In order for two Metro apps to multitask, they have to be on screen. Case in point, try streaming a song from Metro IE and put the browser in the background. The song stops.

Also there's no drag and drop between Metro apps. There's limited communication between Metro apps.

So apart from Office (which I don't use), Surface doesn't really offer me much for productivity that another tablet doesn't.

You're right about the music not playing in the background of IE Metro but WinRT does have the desktop and the desktop IE as well and the music plays just fine in the background from the desktop IE. Switching between metro IE and desktop IE isn't a problem as there is an option to directly open the same page in Desktop IE from the Metro IE itself.

There are limitations with the metro apps when you compare it to the desktop but it isn't as bad as iOS and Android that's my point.

MsftGaurav said,
If only Ballmer understood usability....oh the irony.

Windows 8 is just as usable as Windows 7, and all of their other current products are usable, so I'm sure he does understand usability

Calum said,

Windows 8 is just as usable as Windows 7, and all of their other current products are usable, so I'm sure he does understand usability

Using the same logic both the iPad and Nexus are usable as well according to tens of millions of customers worldwide.

.Neo said,

Using the same logic both the iPad and Nexus are usable as well according to tens of millions of customers worldwide.

I didn't try to claim they aren't usable. They are usable.

.Neo said,

Using the same logic both the iPad and Nexus are usable as well according to tens of millions of customers worldwide.

Well everything is usable in some way. The Surface makes a great skateboard, for example.

.Neo said,

Using the same logic both the iPad and Nexus are usable as well according to tens of millions of customers worldwide.

Usable for consumption, but not for creating and productivity.

nickcruz said,

Usable for consumption, but not for creating and productivity.


There are plenty of good productivity apps for iOS (and android probably as a bunch as well) and both iOS and Android support bluetooth keyboards. They are just as good for productivity as RT if not better due to app selection.

The Pro with full Windows 8 will have advantages in some areas though, obviously.

nickcruz said,
Usable for consumption, but not for creating and productivity.

Please enlighten us, beyond Word, Excel and PowerPoint what amazing creativity/productivity apps are there for Surface?

Calum said,

I didn't try to claim they aren't usable. They are usable.

No, Ballmer apparently claimed they're not usable. Something that's complete and utter nonsense.

The ipad, nexus and kindle, have the apps, movies, books and music. The only thing they don't have that RT has is MS Office.

LauRoman said,
The ipad, nexus and kindle, have the apps, movies, books and music. The only thing they don't have that RT has is MS Office.

Add to that list useful multitasking. Its the primary reason I chose to get a Surface. I have an iPad, Kindle Fire, and a Thrive, and none of these could replace a laptop or desktop. I work with a number of businesses and they want to have a Tablet form factor for their employees, but not if it means they still have to provide them a laptop or a desktop. With Citrix and Terminal services, I can present the x86 apps that our businesses need for their employees without them needing to be concerned about loss or theft of the devices and the data. Windows' biggest advantage is that you can do more than one thing at a time. The others have a very awkward method for trying to switch apps and you can't have more than one on a screen at a time. If you can, its a very weird experience and none of the employees that we surveyed were willing to live with either the iPad or an android tablet as their sole device. That right there is why Windows 8 will eventually win the tablet wars.

One more thing... Multiple User Profiles is very important in those businesses as well as support costs, etc. In this regard Apple and Google loose.

Drewidian said,

Add to that list useful multitasking. Its the primary reason I chose to get a Surface. I have an iPad, Kindle Fire, and a Thrive, and none of these could replace a laptop or desktop. I work with a number of businesses and they want to have a Tablet form factor for their employees, but not if it means they still have to provide them a laptop or a desktop. With Citrix and Terminal services, I can present the x86 apps that our businesses need for their employees without them needing to be concerned about loss or theft of the devices and the data. Windows' biggest advantage is that you can do more than one thing at a time. The others have a very awkward method for trying to switch apps and you can't have more than one on a screen at a time. If you can, its a very weird experience and none of the employees that we surveyed were willing to live with either the iPad or an android tablet as their sole device. That right there is why Windows 8 will eventually win the tablet wars.

One more thing... Multiple User Profiles is very important in those businesses as well as support costs, etc. In this regard Apple and Google loose.

Exactly and considering that business already have these setup where they remote in with citrix or terminal service it's pretty much a given to go with the surface.

coth said,
So as Surface. Is there actually any usable tablet?

yes there is.

I don't really understand where the "computer are only good for work" mentality here at Neowin came from.

But a lot of people are using computer to do trivial things like getting their mail, updating their Facebook account, "surfing" the web, watching some movie preview, checking the weather, etc etc etc

For those people any tablet does a very good job. I'm actually thinking about getting a tablet since my phone screen is kinda small. Cause not needing to sit down in front of my computer every time i want to check something is actually an interesting idea. Price will be the main selling point. And if i buy one the Nexus will probably be the winner. It's cheap. it does what a tablet needs to do. It's not too big and is portable. It's great for travelling and such.

I'm going to buy an x86 tablet/book hybrid in the future. Going to let the market mature a bit first. I need a new phone first. My Nokia 6220 Classic is old.

I think ARM isn't all that when it comes to installing software that are only compatible to it. x86 needs to stick around, even in a tablet.

I kind of have to agree. While devices like the iPad and Nexus 7 may be great for entertainment and apps, they can't match the Surface for general utility and the work aspect of things.

The thing is most people don't work with their tablet. People who want to actually work buy laptop, Ultrabook or at worst a notebook.

Surface Pro might be better than a notebook with Windows 8. I've yet to try the Surface Pro so i don't know.

But as far as tablets go the iPad and Nexus are perfectly usable and as good as the Surface RT.

Most people use tablets to read books, listen to music, play some light games, watch movies, "surf" the web, use web apps, etc ...

Even a lot of companies use tablets this way. More and more companies primary use web based apps. Those are perfectly usable on all tablets.

There will be a market for hybrid tablets with Windows 8 pro for office work and other things. But i'm not sure this market will be that big. Time will tell. The problem with those "pro" tablets is they are not as great as an ultrabook for work and they don't make really good tablets since they tend to be bigger and heavier.

Will the kb and office be a selling point for Surface RT ? Maybe. But i'm not sure as this is not what most people are looking for when they are in the market to buy a pure tablet.

LaP said,
The thing is most people don't work with their tablet. People who want to actually work buy laptop, Ultrabook or at worst a notebook.
.

umm.. so your saying that everyone that buys an ipad only wants to use it to watch movies all day and look at pictures? how come there are like 1000 apps that are just for doing word documents and excel spreadsheets that are like 10-20 bucks.

people don't do work on an ipad because you cant do work on an ipad..

"The thing is most people don't work with their tablet."

The reason people don't work with their tablet is because you can't really work on a tablet until Surface/Windows 8(even the RT version).

nickcruz said,
"The thing is most people don't work with their tablet."

The reason people don't work with their tablet is because you can't really work on a tablet until Surface/Windows 8(even the RT version).


Depends on the work. But if we look at what people usually seem to mean like writing or spreadsheets or presentations, anything that involves mostly typing, I'm pretty sure an iPad with a bluetooth keyboard works just as well as the Surface if not better (considering app selection) same goes for Android.

If it's stuff like say Photoshop or 3D modeling the Surface Pro will have an advantage as it actually has the apps but the RT won't do so well, just like iOS and Android.

FloatingFatMan said,
Again with the hyperbolic use of the word "slam"?

He did say that other tablets are not useable as a laptop, that's gotta be a slam right /s

Renvy said,

He did say that other tablets are not useable as a laptop, that's gotta be a slam right /s

slam 1 (slm)
v. slammed, slamĀ·ming, slams
v.tr.
1. To shut with force and loud noise: slammed the door.
2. To put, throw, or otherwise forcefully move so as to produce a loud noise: slammed the book on the desk.
3. To hit or strike with great force.
4. Slang To criticize harshly; censure forcefully.

Nope. Definitely didn't "slam" them.

rfirth said,
He's right, but I'd focus more on the Surface Pro and other x86 tablets to back it up.

They should be developing a version with Atom Clover Trail, too.