Five things Microsoft could do to spoil Sony's PS4 launch

Sony has decided to launch its PlayStation 4 game console in the U.S. market first on Friday before moving on to Europe two weeks later and other parts of the world over the next few months. However, we think Microsoft would be smart to make some announcements today or on Friday that could take some of the attention away from the PS4 launch.

1. Announce that every Xbox One sold from now until the end of 2013 will get three free months of Xbox Live Gold

Sony is already giving 30 free days of PlayStation Plus for people who get the launch shipments of the PS4. We have asked Microsoft if they have any plans to offer a similar deal to get free time on Xbox Live Gold with every Xbox One purchase but the company has not responded to our inquires. We think that offering three free months of Xbox Live Gold for the first Xbox One customers would be a huge incentive.

2. Reveal that United States, Canada, and Brazil Xbox One buyers will also get a free game

Microsoft will launch the Xbox One in 13 markets on November 22nd and ten of those markets will get a free download code for either "FIFA 14" or "Forza Motorsport 5". The U.S., Canada, and Brazil pre-order customers have had no such free game offer. We think Microsoft should announce that people who buy the console in those territories will get an equivalent free game as well. It's only fair.

3. Announce that the Xbox One will support external hard drives at launch

Neither the Xbox One nor the PS4 is supposed to support external hard drives for extra content storage at launch, but people who buy the PS4 can remove the included 500GB hard drive and swap it out for a larger one, or a speedier SSD. Microsoft's hard drive cannot be removed by the owner. We think the company would be well served to announce that they have found a way to put in support for external storage drives at launch via the "Day One" update.

4. Show off some new Halo Xbox One gameplay footage

Sony's big first person shooter franchise, Killzone, is getting a PS4 launch title in "Killzone: Shadow Fall." However, many critics of the series think that "Killzone" is just a third-rate version of Microsoft's own "Halo" franchise. Microsoft showed a teaser trailer for the next major Halo game back at E3 in June and we think they should show some real gameplay from the Halo Xbox One game during the PS4 launch day to show all those Killzone fans what a real FPS for consoles looks like and plays like.

5. Allow Xbox One and Xbox 360 owners to finally check out streaming video apps without needing Xbox Live Gold

This is something that we think has been a long time in coming. While the PS3 and PS4 allows owners to use apps like Netflix, Hulu, and others without having to pay an extra subscription fee, Microsoft still insists that Xbox 360 and Xbox One owners pay for Xbox Live Gold before they can access streaming apps. It's something that no other set-top box requires and we think it should stop. Microsoft would gain a lot of fans, and maybe change the minds of some people thinking about getting a PS4, if they announced that the Xbox Live Gold subscription is no longer needed to access streaming video apps for both consoles.

What other things could Microsoft do to spoil the PS4 coming out party on Friday? Let us know your thoughts in our comments.

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Yeah those would be some good ideas, but I think gamers made their console choice not based on launch promotions but on the long term.

I've always been a PlayStaion guy... but now I've got a Surface and will probably get a Windows Phone next year, I was fully prepared to move over to Xbox as well and had a nice unified system.

However, point 5 is the sole reason I won't be doing this. I'm not interested in gaming online anymore, I just want to use FREE services (iPlayer/4oD etc.) for FREE. It's a **** take Microsoft, why do you do it? You've certainly lost one customer here... unless you listen to Neowin of course, here's hoping

if all you want is to use free services buy a roku box, dont need an xbox for that. XBL is like what £30-40 a year thats like £3.30 a month. Just dont buy 1 pint of beer per month and its paid. Think people moan just for the sake of it

psionicinversion said,
if all you want is to use free services buy a roku box, dont need an xbox for that. XBL is like what £30-40 a year thats like £3.30 a month. Just dont buy 1 pint of beer per month and its paid. Think people moan just for the sake of it

Take that over the 7-8 years of owning the console and that's getting on for £300 which is nearly what the console costs in the first place.

Roku looks interesting though, I've heard it spoken about lots but need to look into what it can do more.

I say that people that pre-ordered their Xbox One, should get a $100 gift certificates from whomever you purchase it from ...courtesy of Microsoft of course!

They should totally do numbers 1 and 5. Or at least one of them (one or the other). Either one would be a long-term win for them.

I suspect a flood of PS4's dumping into the open market (Ebay / Craigslist) the day after XBox One's debut, after the flurry of YouTube videos hit the wire showing the true awesomeness of the capabilities on the XBox One.

I'm kidding of course... but not really. Or am I...

None of these would spoil the PS4 launch, imo. It would just make the Xbox a little bit more appealing to get first. I'll eventually own both, but I'm getting a PS4 first, for sure, unless Halo is magically ready in the next few months.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
Microsoft can't do anything to spoil the PS4. Those who wanted it have already made up their minds.

Yup, and same goes for those who have set their minds to get a Xbox One.
What the article goes for thou, is those that have not set their mind yet.

Why do people forget that Xbox Live was originally built for online gaming in the first place? Now with Xbox 360, Live has evolve to something else. A lot of people also tend to forget that MS has put tons of work with Xbox Live, for instance:

Xbox Video, Amazon, and Netflix streaming quality is way better than their counterpart DVD/BD players.

The network is secure (not counting social engineering), and it is stable all the time.

If you are an ESPN or a sport fan, you can watch live and reruns of your favorite teams.

In addition, now with Xbox One, Live will introduce their own series (Halo and Ryse: Son of Rome) as part of your subscription.

You also tend to get the latest exclusive content first on multi-format games.

So if you are asking why we are paying for live, well those are some of the reasons.

Judging from the reviews of the PS4 and its launch games so far, really all Microsoft has to do is not screw up anymore then they already have. People will see the PS4 isn't the "gift from gaming gods" its been made out to be on its own.

Stop reminding me about Forza bundles :\ I pre'd just the console on its own after the announce, so I get Fifa, but I hate football and I'll never play it... Forza bundle is the same price but sold out everywhere, so I'm stuck with a free game I won't even bother downloading :\ give me a choice of codes or something, pleeeease! I dont wanna have to buy Forza later :\

JustAnotherTechie said,
....

Just hang out at the retailer and ask people to swap with you.

There has to be someone upset they have Forza and not Fifa.

1) give xbl gold to everybody, for free. MSFT has way more $ than sony.
2) announce all windows 8 apps run on xbox 1
3) announce halo 5 release and showcase the cloud computing benefits
4) lower the price to $349 without Kinect, $399 with Kinect.

5) and best: license xbox 1 OS to pc makers, let them make higher spec xbox consoles that will put the ps4 to shame for gamers which care only about specs.

neonspark said,
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4) lower the price to $349 without Kinect, $399 with Kinect.
5) and best: license xbox 1 OS to pc makers, let them make higher spec xbox consoles that will put the ps4 to shame for gamers which care only about specs.

4) NO NO NO NO NO. Absolutely NO. If a consumer chooses not to use it, that's there prerogative. KNOWING there is a Kinect with every XBOX ONE assures developers it's not a niche product.

5) Have you heard of 3DO?

I don't buy into "console wars" so relax fanboys. Sony has their problems, but MS seems to go out of their way to monetize every single little thing to limit users and frustrate them unnecessarily. I can't think of a single major product launch in recent memory that they haven't completely screwed up.

Uhhh, they aren't. GfWL has only been replaced by Xbox for Windows. There's already quite a lot of games on Windows 8 that support it too.

Not interested in those touch based games you get through Store. Microsoft can have GFWL on it as long as they want. Gaming PC community doesn't care what is MS take on PC gaming especially not with GFWL or XBL. I am thinking about serious games you buy on Steam. For PC Gaming Steam is leading platform and a way to go. Bottom line PC game publishers are not going to leave Steam for MS especially not for platform which has <10% market share.

I find it funny that when the ps3 and 360 launched every sony fanboy was screaming BUT its the best bluray player out there so im fine that it doesnt have many good games yet and it totally warrants the extra 200 dollars. Now with ps4 XO launch the media stuff on XO is stupid and who buys a console for another reason besides games??!

Did you not hear the huge backlash when Sony announced the PS4 wouldn't play CD's or have DLNA built in? Meanwhile, Microsoft released a console that's not a good media center, not as good of a game machine, and is $100 more expensive. I think that if you open your eyes you'll see Microsoft fanboys complaining about how much the xbox one sucks too.

What? lol the only people complaining were people who were buying xbox ones anyways. PS4 people were defending it. I think maybe if i put my PS4 Rules Goggles on maybe but i left those at home today.

What are you even talking about though xbox one will be a great media machine thats been established. The question people have is how much worse game will be but at the moment the anweser to that seems just about the same as ps4 if not better in some cases and a little worse in other. Just because it doesnt include Windows Media Center doesnt mean anything to me. I never used it on 360 and never knew anyone that did.

Besides its still a fact that most people defended ps3 for being 200$ more over just a bluray player and now those same people complain that media abilities and kinect and all the other EXTRA features are stupid and why pay 100$

Houtei said,
What? lol the only people complaining were people who were buying xbox ones anyways. PS4 people were defending it. I think maybe if i put my PS4 Rules Goggles on maybe but i left those at home today.

What are you even talking about though xbox one will be a great media machine thats been established. The question people have is how much worse game will be but at the moment the anweser to that seems just about the same as ps4 if not better in some cases and a little worse in other. Just because it doesnt include Windows Media Center doesnt mean anything to me. I never used it on 360 and never knew anyone that did.

Besides its still a fact that most people defended ps3 for being 200$ more over just a bluray player and now those same people complain that media abilities and kinect and all the other EXTRA features are stupid and why pay 100$


LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU. THE POWER OF 1000 ANGRY 13 YEAR OLDS DECENDS UPON YOU.

But to be honest, stop arguing. Wait it out. Both consoles will be great.

I am going to be ****ed regardless. For one I ordered my PS4 on the first order date from Sony and it appears that I will not get my console until next Tuesday. That is crazy to me. Also, the reviews for Killzone are bad. Therefore, I may not have a game to play. Guess, I will really start gaming when my Xbox One arrives on the 22nd.

Yeah Killzone and especially Knack got butchered in the reviews. Sony just can't live up to its own hype it seems...or rather the hype created by the stupid community at GAF and N4G.

timster said,
lol 3 month of XBL .... doesn't everyone with an Xbox 360 already have a Gold sub?

Haha no. Anecdotally, my buddy had an Xbox, didn't play games on it, let his XBL sub lapse, and sold his Xbox. If apps hadn't been behind a paywall he would have probably kept the Xbox as a netflix device at least keeping him in the MS ecosystem. Now he just has a Sony Blu-Ray player. How bout that?

What would do it for me is to announce partnerships with Cable and Satellite companies around the world in all of the launch countries that they will offer subsidized Xbox Ones with a 2 year contract for $99 down. Every one of these contracts gets the user full Xbox Live for the duration of the contract.

Second. Announce a partnership with LA Fitness and Lifetime fitness where you can get a similar deal as the cable/satellite companies. Sign up for a 2 year gym contract and you get an Xbox One for $99 down with free Live for the duration of the contract. Also announce special classes where you Skype with an instructor who will give you a customized workout routine based on the biometric data from your workout. You could even use the gym's Xbox Ones to exercise if you want at the gym or do so at home. Also announce a partnership with Fitbit with a customized app that works with these programs.

Third Announce that MS is partnering with the VA hospitals to provide physical therapy for wounded veterans who will get an Xbox One and a customized app that with Skype will allow for physical therapy routines in home with a follow up from a doctor/nurse who will check on you to answer any questions. The data will go into a VA medical database that will allow you to access the data from a Windows 8/ Windows Phone 8 based device.

Fourth. Work with HHS to get the Xbox One listed as a medical device that can be used as a tax write off.

Pick any two of these, and you will spoil the PS4's holiday.

They could announce more new exclusive first party games and or the return of a few that people would like to see, also first party in this case. We already have KI in the works but I think that's just the tip and we could be in for a good chunk of new and returning titles from MS to XB1.

All they have to do is make a C.O.D game exclusive to xbox and then ps4 would be destroyed as all the kids will flock to xbox.

Allot of people pre-ordered the ps4 because of the "exchanging games" and DRM most still think that to be the truth as sony was making a big deal about it taking the **** out of mcrosoft. Oh how disappointed they will be.

Sort of reminds me of the CPU war when higher CPU clock speed was better then other technology came out but you still had a bunch of people buying CPU's for higher clock speed just because they taught it was better.

PS4 on paper has better specs but i bet the code behind it to run the OS will be crap compared to MS and that Xbox will run at same speed if not quicker. Would love to see some boot up videos and stuff.

Stuff like running cost, boot up times, shader and texture quality, reflection quality etc etc.

Vester said,
All they have to do is make a C.O.D game exclusive to xbox and then ps4 would be destroyed as all the kids will flock to xbox.

titanfall *cough*

boot up videos? how many times a day you boot up your console? it's the same ridiculous "Windows 8 boots up in 10 less seconds than Windows 7 when using an SSD".

You see, both my Smart TV and digital cable box are waaaay slower to boot up than the instant on of a CRT TV with an analog cable box. Do you think anybody is picking the inferior system because it boots up faster?

The little things do make a big difference. Personally a slick UI with the connectivity it as sold it for me. (if i had any intention to buy one, I don't as i am a PC gamer and dislike controllers with a passion)

The boot up time would make a difference for me i like to get into the game ASAP and start off where i left.

Being able to say like "Xbox one" and then it notice who i am via connect and start the game from where i left off sound amazing to me. If i ever have to rush off you could just tell it to shut down and rush off then come back and pickup where you left off.

Want to check your e-mails... NP just ask to show you them, message someone? skype someone... just ask it. Amazing how far technology has got in the short time consoles have being made.

Like i said with CPU's people will go for big numbers that are on paper and not the small things and will regret it if they see there friends

Spicoli said,
I think they already ruined the launch by blowing Sony away on new features.

and sony blew it with mediocre games where sony now has to resort to blaming reviewers because of their schedules,and saying the games will grow on you, LOL.

Requiring Xbox Live to access network apps is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of. It's so backwards to the entire premise of the Xbox One, and it's just downright disgusting to begin with. As it stands now I can't recommend the Xbox to any of my more casual friends, it being more expensive and having less value in it's network service.

As an Xbox fan since the OG Xbox this will be the only launch were I don't buy an Xbox, and honestly have no desire to. I don't think Microsoft is selling Xbox Live subs to people who want to watch Netflix. They simply aren't. People purchase XBL to play multiplayer, and the people that don't play multiplayer just aren't going to purchase an XBL sub to watch netflix and play single player games. So, it makes no sense to me why apps are behind the paywall.

Do you buy a bag of chips once a month? A couple of sodas? You just bought XBL..

Also, now you get free games... to keep.. that don't expire

If you're not buying an X1 because of XBL, you were never buying an X1 to begin with.

Bleedorang3 said,
Requiring Xbox Live to access network apps is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of. It's so backwards to the entire premise of the Xbox One, and it's just downright disgusting to begin with. As it stands now I can't recommend the Xbox to any of my more casual friends, it being more expensive and having less value in it's network service.

As an Xbox fan since the OG Xbox this will be the only launch were I don't buy an Xbox, and honestly have no desire to. I don't think Microsoft is selling Xbox Live subs to people who want to watch Netflix. They simply aren't. People purchase XBL to play multiplayer, and the people that don't play multiplayer just aren't going to purchase an XBL sub to watch netflix and play single player games. So, it makes no sense to me why apps are behind the paywall.

Exactly, i don't have to pay XBL fee to get Windows 8/8.1 apps or watch netflix... why should anyone running the 360 or XBONE?

I don't care about the cost. The cost is in line with Microsoft's competitors. What I do care is my level of perceived value for the service. Microsoft is unlucky now that they have a direct competitor offering a service that is marginally less expensive, but which gives value to the consumer in exchange for locking multiplayer behind the paywall. Xbox Live doesn't give any value, it just locks features behind it.

zeroomegazx said,

Exactly, i don't have to pay XBL fee to get Windows 8/8.1 apps or watch netflix... why should anyone running the 360 or XBONE?

The apps on the X1 get integrated.. work with kinect, work with unified search, work with game features / announcements.. They're not just an app published to watch something, they implement the live services and X1 features to take advantage of the hardware and that little yearly cost to keep such an experience isn't that bad. While you don't pay to watch netflix on Windows 8.1, on the XB1, you're not paying just for the apps either sot the comparison is misguided and well, BS.

I do hope to see Windows 8.1 apps on XB1 though

Who knows, maybe if Sony ups their game, Microsoft will have to open up. The future is bright my friend and 35/year for XBL isn't breaking my heart on anything.

Netflix landed on the 360 first and very few (if any) devices (TV's/DVD players, etc) had a Netflix app on them. At that time I always wondered if Netflix got a leg up by Microsoft allowing them to share space on Microsoft's server space.

IF that was the case, it would make sense for Microsoft to try to leverage some money back on the setup. But once Netflix went nuts and is on everything they really needed to free it from the Gold requirement. The ONLY reason it should be on Gold if there was some sort of premium feature that made Netflix better than on any other device and this just isnt the case.

AmazingRando said,

IF that was the case, it would make sense for Microsoft to try to leverage some money back on the setup. But once Netflix went nuts and is on everything they really needed to free it from the Gold requirement. The ONLY reason it should be on Gold if there was some sort of premium feature that made Netflix better than on any other device and this just isnt the case.

There is premium features on 360/x1. With a kinect in every X1 the voice navigation / gesture navigation is a feature that sets it apart.. also, the unified search works across apps as well so you can say "xbox bing star trek" and it will show what eps are in hulu/netflix/amazon and you can say "xbox netflix" "xbox play" yaddy yaddy yadda.

roaming profiles.. means my netflix profile roams with me to, no fudging with controller to switch profiles/login/logout or have the kids set to the kidsflix

i could go on

I agree. If the App requires Gold to use you should get a few extra features. Unfortunately, I believe the Twitch App will also be locked behind this paywall. I am a huge stream supporter and am subscribed to a few of my favorite streamers, I shouldn't have to pay to access the app itself. Plus, Twitch supports e-sports, no reason it shouldn't be available for Free!

DixieNormus said,
I agree. If the App requires Gold to use you should get a few extra features. Unfortunately, I believe the Twitch App will also be locked behind this paywall. I am a huge stream supporter and am subscribed to a few of my favorite streamers, I shouldn't have to pay to access the app itself. Plus, Twitch supports e-sports, no reason it shouldn't be available for Free!

But again, you're not just paying for twitch, you're paying for twitch + match making + 2 free games + apps integrated with kinect experience + unlimited cloud storage. (and skype.. with 100 minutes skype out and..)

Are we honestly saying "i'd rather pay 50.00 a year for less just so everything else appears to be free?"

Do you really only want to stream your offline experience? are you not planning on xbox live even if it was dropped to 50 and ONLY for online play? its just smoke and mirrors at that point.

spudtrooper said,

There is premium features on 360/x1. With a kinect in every X1 the voice navigation / gesture navigation is a feature that sets it apart.. also, the unified search works across apps as well so you can say "xbox bing star trek" and it will show what eps are in hulu/netflix/amazon and you can say "xbox netflix" "xbox play" yaddy yaddy yadda.

roaming profiles.. means my netflix profile roams with me to, no fudging with controller to switch profiles/login/logout or have the kids set to the kidsflix

i could go on

Those are all baked into the system. Once you are in the Netflix app the only thing that transfers is voice and gesture control that cost MS nothing to run in day-to-day costs.

That and TV's have voice and gesture controls now for stuff.

If they want app adoption to take off, they cant force people to pay for access to the system to use the apps and hold them ransom behind a paywall.

I want to elaborate on the X1 apps got integrated. The unified eco system between Xbox and window 8 in which code once and distribute everywhere including RT will benefit mobile space. If you don't pay Xbox live, you still benefit from window phone or window 8.

Of course this is just rumor, but the possibilities are encouraging.

spudtrooper said,

The apps on the X1 get integrated.. work with kinect, work with unified search, work with game features / announcements.. They're not just an app published to watch something, they implement the live services and X1 features to take advantage of the hardware and that little yearly cost to keep such an experience isn't that bad. While you don't pay to watch netflix on Windows 8.1, on the XB1, you're not paying just for the apps either sot the comparison is misguided and well, BS.

I do hope to see Windows 8.1 apps on XB1 though

Who knows, maybe if Sony ups their game, Microsoft will have to open up. The future is bright my friend and 35/year for XBL isn't breaking my heart on anything.

XBL has a fee, but it's minor. I can pay for it by not getting coffee and breakfast on my way to work once during the month. I'd call that a great trade-off for the reliability of the service.

And I don't mind having Netlix as a Gold service, because it's the best Netflix streaming front-end I've encountered - better than the one built into my TV, better than my tablet and phone apps, better than the Netflix web site itself. So I think it's worth it. YMMV

spudtrooper said,
Do you buy a bag of chips once a month? A couple of sodas? You just bought XBL..

Also, now you get free games... to keep.. that don't expire

If you're not buying an X1 because of XBL, you were never buying an X1 to begin with.

If I buy a soda or a bag of chips, I drink or eat them. If I buy an xbl sub to watch netflix, I'm not using any Microsoft services, yet paying them. Your analogy doesn't add up, a better one would be "Do you throw away an unopened bag of chips or unopened cans of soda once a month?"

And the answer to that is "No, I do not".

zeroomegazx said,

Exactly, i don't have to pay XBL fee to get Windows 8/8.1 apps or watch netflix... why should anyone running the 360 or XBONE?


Because Microsoft would make less money if they do. If they removed the gold requirement, it wouldn't have a statistically significant positive impact on sales to justify the removal. It's not as if the PS3 significantly outsold the 360.

I can do everything that is a supposed benefit of XBL on my PC without any additional cost on top of my ISP bill. Seems like a complete waste of money to me, especially when my PC (assembled in 2011 apart from the SSD) completely smokes it in terms of raw power.

Javik said,
I can do everything that is a supposed benefit of XBL on my PC without any additional cost on top of my ISP bill. Seems like a complete waste of money to me, especially when my PC (assembled in 2011 apart from the SSD) completely smokes it in terms of raw power.

So PC has unified match making, ranking, voice chat, friends list, Kinect voice/gesture navigation, universal content search, universal game search, friend alerts, chat and all of those features? Also, your PC uses more electricity over a year than the most expensive XBL sub

Does your PC also give you 2 free games a month, unlimited game save cloud storage and skype out minutes?

I am 100% with you. It didn't make me want to pay for Live, I bought an Apple TV instead. $99 once vs $60 yearly.

This gen, I will be getting a PS4 if anything because of the whole paywall issue and it ****es me off that Xbox is littered with ads regardless if you pay or not.

Bleedorang3 said,
Xbox Live doesn't give any value, it just locks features behind it.

dedicated servers for every game? no wandering into a ghost time every time you try to play a game? weeding out the *******s? great quality and good looking apps? worth every single cent and more.

its like someone with a POS minivan trying to argue that buying a range rover is a ripoff, because his van gets him to work too.

Possibly some Halo footage and maaaaaybe three free months (although the Day One Live promotion makes me feel otherwise), but I don't see any of the others happening.

NONE of the items on this list apart from footage are happening, but that won't make the Xbox One suck. It's going to be just fine!

All the Xbox one has to do is not suck, that is it. It has to stay cool, no RROD or any of that BS.

The haters are going to hate, even if you do all 5 of these things - which don't change the fact that XBL users are happily paying for XBL because of all the bad ass updates/features and availability of said services. Xbox owners will buy and have been buying - that's isn't the problem.

People are comparing apples and oranges in the value adds between the consoles and this does too. Microsoft didn't have 6 weeks of downtime, microsoft updated the dashboard and apps continually and has grown the library continually, the service has improved, performance has always been great and they set the bar on match making, group chats and so much more. That's what i pay for.

I pay for logging in, launching a game, service or app that is fully integrated and seamless and works when i want it to work and so far, Microsoft has never let me down.

You bet i'd be mad if i paid money and their service was down, integration was shady and they never updated anything.. but that isn't the reality we have faced.

But i dont have to log into PSN nor require PSN to launch most of its services. Nor do I have to pay for PSN to access Video services... Bottom line is I shouldn't have to PAY for Xbox Live AND Netflix to watch netflix on my 360 or xbone. Nor any other service of such nature that MS doesnt control. XBL doesnt have any thing to do with netflix, its simple a tax for running it on Xbox.

PSN up or down I can launch just about anything but the store. Same goes for PC.

zeroomegazx said,
But i dont have to log into PSN nor require PSN to launch most of its services. Nor do I have to pay for PSN to access Video services... Bottom line is I shouldn't have to PAY for Xbox Live AND Netflix to watch netflix on my 360 or xbone. Nor any other service of such nature that MS doesnt control. XBL doesnt have any thing to do with netflix, its simple a tax for running it on Xbox.

PSN up or down I can launch just about anything but the store. Same goes for PC.

you have to log into PSN to launch stuff like Netflix.

and yawn, heard the same thing about multiplayer,and now that you have to pay for multiplayer, its not a big deal, right? hypocrisy at its finest.

zeroomegazx said,
But i dont have to log into PSN nor require PSN to launch most of its services. Nor do I have to pay for PSN to access Video services... Bottom line is I shouldn't have to PAY for Xbox Live AND Netflix to watch netflix on my 360 or xbone. Nor any other service of such nature that MS doesnt control. XBL doesnt have any thing to do with netflix, its simple a tax for running it on Xbox.

PSN up or down I can launch just about anything but the store. Same goes for PC.

Yeah, and you know what, I don't like PSN because it sucks in comparison to XBL. You don't login or require it or launch most of its services because they are indeed worthless. Meanwhile, i use Hulu / Netflix with the integrated kinect features, dashboard/bing search all the time. I like the fact XBL hasn't been down for extended periods, i like the fact they provide updates and integrate everything. I like the fact that when i login everything is customized to my liking.

Microsoft has upped the ante.. xbl now includes what, unlimited cloud storage, 2 free games a month that never expire and the apps that do get brought in even though their behind paywall are usually pretty well integrated supporting the XBL experience through the entire app. (game invites, chat, avatars, kinect so on and so forth)

XBL has always been working and i like the fact something i use and happily pay for is fully integrated. I like the fact i *WANT* what i pay for and it continues to exceed the value i pay for it.

You have a choice to use what you wish but holy crap you guys are good at ignoring the value of a service that has proven its worth.

Lets not forget, PS4 could be make or break for Sony. Their struggling on profit / revenues and they had to adopt pay to play for online gaming experience which is still iffy at best and i find it worse to pay $50 a year JUST for that.. which is the irony of it all.

Edited by spudtrooper, Nov 14 2013, 5:09pm :

At least we didn't get a 20 day blackout like the PS3 did in 2011. You guys have the worse reliability compared to us having to pay for our services on the Xbox.

Done? xoxo

vcfan said,

you have to log into PSN to launch stuff like Netflix.

and yawn, heard the same thing about multiplayer,and now that you have to pay for multiplayer, its not a big deal, right? hypocrisy at its finest.

No... you dont...

Mr.XXIV said,
At least we didn't get a 20 day blackout like the PS3 did in 2011. You guys have the worse reliability compared to us having to pay for our services on the Xbox.

Done? xoxo

PSN outage didnt effect me. I do my multiplayer gaming where its meant to be played, PC. No fees or downtime there. let us not forget how gimped console multiplayer is. We cant even select the servers we want on ANY console.

So get all excited about your out of date PC... i mean console...

zeroomegazx said,

No... you dont...

yes you do. you need to be signed in to the PSN before you can launch Netflix or any of the other services.

zeroomegazx said,

I do my multiplayer gaming where its meant to be played, PC.

What does this even mean? "Meant to be played"

We've got some PC-master-race crap right here, looks like. I guess it's easy to think that way if you have zero understanding of the history of PCs/consoles whatsoever.

Joshie said,

What does this even mean? "Meant to be played"

We've got some PC-master-race crap right here, looks like. I guess it's easy to think that way if you have zero understanding of the history of PCs/consoles whatsoever.

What do I mean? Battlefield and CoD Servers with more than 16 players in them, thats what I mean.

I love all my consoles but you cannot do a 128 man Battlefield server on console. that game is meant to be played in glory of actual people in the server, not 8 per team.

Most console multiplayer games need to be trimmed down since there are no dedicated servers and the consoles cannot power that many players.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

LOL
$2000 to match consoles? What are you smoking??

What planet is he from? My Gaming PC (i7 3770K 16 gb ram, ATI 7970) was under $900.

zeroomegazx said,

What planet is he from? My Gaming PC (i7 3770K 16 gb ram, ATI 7970) was under $900.

But can it run Crysis? Maxed out?

vcfan said,

yes you do. you need to be signed in to the PSN before you can launch Netflix or any of the other services.

No, you dont.... Just got home from work and again confirmed that current firmware allows you to use netflix without logging in. You need to be in your Playstation Local Profile, thats it.......

zeroomegazx said,

No, you dont.... Just got home from work and again confirmed that current firmware allows you to use netflix without logging in. You need to be in your Playstation Local Profile, thats it.......

youre probably auto signed in. heres proof that you do.straight from my ps3

heres what happens if i load Netflix without signing in to PSN

http://i.imgur.com/whFqurk.png

heres what happens if I load Netflix from a user account that hasn't signed up to PSN at all.

http://i.imgur.com/eGgoebU.png

and heres my firmware information

http://i.imgur.com/W0J9jTV.png

also,straight from sony. says you need to be signed in to PSN to use those services

Q: Do I need a Sony Entertainment Network account to access Netflix instant watching?
A: Yes. Additionally, your PS3 system must be signed in to the PlayStation Network in order to use Netflix. This means that Netflix will not be available on PS3 systems when the PlayStation Network is down for maintenance.

https://support.us.playstation...pp/answers/detail/a_id/2186

zeroomegazx said,

What planet is he from? My Gaming PC (i7 3770K 16 gb ram, ATI 7970) was under $900.

I call shenanigans

CPU alone is 300, Video card alone is 350, 16gb of ddr3 is 150. You got case, motherboard, power supply, keyboard, mouse and hard drive for less than 100 bucks after all that?

Reality is, you paid closer to 1200-1300 but upgraded components over time and to be honest, that 7970 won't run Battlefield 4 at max settings 1080/60 either.

spudtrooper said,

I call shenanigans

CPU alone is 300, Video card alone is 350, 16gb of ddr3 is 150. You got case, motherboard, power supply, keyboard, mouse and hard drive for less than 100 bucks after all that?

Reality is, you paid closer to 1200-1300 but upgraded components over time and to be honest, that 7970 won't run Battlefield 4 at max settings 1080/60 either.

Effing thank you.

psionicinversion said,
it will if you overclock it which is what alot of PC gaming guys do

Then you're talking lots of time / money / research spent trying to squeeze every ounce out of a rig. Which is fun for some people, no doubt. (and i have a pc i do this on) but i love the fact i can just turn my console on and play and i know everyone is playing on the same field.. even the most expensive PC i rig i could ever afford is second place to the crack boxes other people have.

To compete with console gfx, all you need is about the price of a console. Then to match the gfx, use 720p reso, with no greater than medium settings. And you are equal to a console quality wise. I'm sure you don't add the cost of your previous console to your current one either. Otherwise your console gaming habit will be into that 2k range by now also.

SierraSonic said,
To compete with console gfx, all you need is about the price of a console. Then to match the gfx, use 720p redo, with no greater than medium settings.

Yea..for current gen consoles.

There is a reason, it's called paying for quality. The ability to play games full 1080p (and above if you have a high res monitor), with no drops in performance, and no crappy 720p upscaling, no visual tricks needed to improve framerate, and higher resolution textures.

Javik said,
There is a reason, it's called paying for quality. The ability to play games full 1080p (and above if you have a high res monitor), with no drops in performance, and no crappy 720p upscaling, no visual tricks needed to improve framerate, and higher resolution textures.

all about perception. I'd much rather sit on my couch in front of my tv and play on the xbox.

I love my PC for simulation games and some MMO's and PoE, but its not about spending as much money as i can to get the highest res as i can. I'd bet that the PC enthusiast market of people who DO obsess over performance is even a VERY MINOR segment of the overall pc market. 99% of the "gamers" i know are still trying to squeeze every ounce of power out of their aging rigs and essentially just upgrading SSD and such. So even the PC market is driven by the most common denominator and it shows there too as games could be better if they were optimized for some of the cooler features but that happens on a very limited scale.

in fact, i'm often bewildered at the specs of most pc players i talk about. INtel e8400's, 4 gb of ram, geforce 8800s and stuff still chugging along - PS4 and XB1 will smoke those rigs

I dont think the consoles employ anti-aliasing or very minimal levels cus thats a killer in performance, i wack BF4 upto ultra settings and 8x MSAA if the PS4 can push that level of detail id take my gfx card back and buy a PS4 which im confident it cant. also with the mantle update radeon cards will be getting better performance... more fps i reckon seeing as the visuals are impressive.

My gfx card is £280 bought it like 2 weeks ago. Sapphire R9 280x toxic. Looks awesome and it never drops below 47fps at it lowest in multiplayer usually sits around 60ish goes upto 80-90ish if you just look at a wall. Drivers are abit crap to atm still need work on them so itll get better not by much though

Seeing as the computer games visually will be locked by these consoles itll last a while although crysis 3 at maximum settings still gets bout 30fps.... very demanding. ill probably upgrade my gfx card again in like 2 years when star citizen is released, thats designed to cripple the high end card of 2015

the only thing i replace is the gfx card, my system before this one lasted me 6 years. this had a 1GB 6870 in it before and could run BF4 at medium high settings at about 45fps in the multiplayer beta... i think thats abut where the PS4 will be sitting graphically. this is i7 950, 12GB ram + got BF on my SSD so the maps start up as fast as it can haha and its nearly 3 years old now, not planning a full upgrade for another 3-4 years

My Mac Mini is running 16GB of RAM, but sadly just a 1GB Intel gfx

But I'm waiting to see whether WWDC '14 will contain Thunderbolt 2 Displays before I upgrade

Mr.XXIV said,
My Mac Mini is running 16GB of RAM, but sadly just a 1GB Intel gfx

But I'm waiting to see whether WWDC '14 will contain Thunderbolt 2 Displays before I upgrade


lol, Mac, no wonder you made your comment that a PC must be $2000 to play games.

Mr.XXIV said,
You won't get perfect 1080 gaming with a $1300 computer.

A $900 PC will still play it better than a console. I play on both, prefer console, but this is reality.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

lol, Mac, no wonder you made your comment that a PC must be $2000 to play games.

1. I didn't buy a Mac for gaming, I bought it for Web Development. And my Mac Mini is $599 with custom additions.

2. $900 is a doubt when these consoles were optimized for pure gaming, I call bull when the consoles finally get the content that pushes them to their limits.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

A $900 PC will still play it better than a console. I play on both, prefer console, but this is reality.

define better. and is it 400 dollars better? don't think so

Mr.XXIV said,

1. I didn't buy a Mac for gaming, I bought it for Web Development. And my Mac Mini is $599 with custom additions.

2. $900 is a doubt when these consoles were optimized for pure gaming, I call bull when the consoles finally get the content that pushes them to their limits.

By the time consoles start using their limit, greater $900 computers will be out.

Edited by SierraSonic, Nov 15 2013, 4:24am :

Halo should be good as its part of a long running franchise but star citizen will graphically destroy any game that comes out for a console even at the end of its life in 8 years and the consoles couldnt even dream of running it, well unless you want maybe 720p at low quality. But at the end of the day it is about the gameplay look at Killzone, graphically its amazing but review sites say its a pile of rubbish gameplay wise. PC gamers want the best looking games and consoles they could employ tricks to make em look really good but when you need to push the polygons (star citizen 7million for 1 carrier ) PC is the only choice

spudtrooper said,

Reality is, you paid closer to 1200-1300 but upgraded components over time and to be honest, that 7970 won't run Battlefield 4 at max settings 1080/60 either.

Is a 7970 that bad?
I play the large BF4 64 player maps with everything maxed out at 1080/60 on a GTX660.

None of the consoles will run BF4 anywhere near max settings, I'm guessing the PS4 and XB1, use settings near medium/high with low AA and AF. And the modern mid to high end graphics cards could definitely do that at 60fps. Plus the next three releases of drivers will say "gains of up to 25% per game", etc.

"You get what you pay for" is the perfect example, computers maybe more expensive, but you get all the features, higher graphics, game mods, support from third parties after the games network functions are shut down due to support ending, and service EOLs, etc.

I can choose to use the superior kb+m setup for most games, and if I have my PC setup to my TV, which I do, I can use Steam's nifty TV mode to use my computer as a console with a controller, with a fully functional gaming environment, marketplace, communication system, etc.

Honestly, the only thing you miss out by being a PC gamer is console exclusives, and the funny thing is unless you own all the consoles, you also are missing out on the OTHER consoles exclusives.

I just want exclusives to die, all games to be multi-platform, and to let the end user decide which market they want to fall in. The only problem I see PC side is with companies such as EA where they are even trying to lock you into their own marketplace.