Editorial

iOS 5: not "magical" or "revolutionary"

Yesterday, Steve Jobs took stage yet again, hoping to impress the crowds at this years WWDC conference. He showed off OS X Lion, you showed off iCloud and you showed off iOS 5, however none of them really impressed - WWDC wasn't magical this time around.

iOS 5 was rumored, hyped and talked up for months before this event, yet the actual operating system is far from revolutionary. You've fallen behind, Apple, and you are starting to play boring catch up games with other major operating systems rather than doing any innovation. Your features have slipped; the creative talent seemingly left to another place. 

You introduced a "new" notification system that is better than the previous system found in iOS. However it failed to take any serious steps to take on the systems found in both Android and Windows Phone 7 from launch. This new system shows notifications at the top after you swipe down from the top area - exactly like the system Android has used since its 2008 launch - along with notifications on the home screen, which not only does Windows Phone 7 already have, but also some Android skins do as well.

It's no use using the exact same design with your notification system. Consumers aren't going to be happy if you blatantly rip-off features from another operating system, and what's even worse is that they won't be sued for doing it. If anyone copied an Apple feature, or even using a name vaguely similar to an Apple product name, they would be sued within seconds; however no doubt Google won't have the guts to tackle this head on with a lawsuit.

Then there's the Twitter integration. Unfortunately, again you see iOS 5 struggling to keep up with the times: firstly Apple was second to the announcing gate as Windows Phone 7 beat them to the mark with announcing Twitter integration in WP7 "Mango" back in February; secondly, Android has had a similar form of Twitter integration, allowing posting of photos, contact sync, links to post to Twitter and more since the functionality was introduced in Android 2.0 way back in late 2009, and before that with HTC Sense.

Then come the minor features. Browser tabs are available in Android third party browsers (as well as on Windows Phone 7's stock one from launch), launching the camera bypassing the lockscreen is achieved in Windows Phone 7 by holding the camera button, reading list in the browser can again be done with an app (so can the newsstand feature) and iMessage is quite obviously a copy of the BlackBerry Messenger service that has been around for more than five years.

Then there's the other major feature we almost forgot. Device updates without connecting to a computer. This has been one of the best features of Android's update system and loved by its users while iPhone users struggle downloading 600 MB updates. Only now, four years from the release of the first iPhone, has Apple figured out that perhaps people don't want or need a computer to update their phone, and they don't want to download ridiculously huge system updates. 

This is the point where it gets ridiculous. Releasing old features and calling them new is simply a joke waiting to be made. We know Apple can come up with interesting new features and ideas, such as multi-touch gestures, brand new and appealing devices to tackle areas of the market and even cool names for their Mac OS' (eg. Lion, Snow Leopard), however todays WWDC showed none of this. Apple is leaving the creative spark to other companies; to Microsoft and Google; when two years ago it firmly held the reigns.

No one can reasonably call any of the new iOS 5 features revolutionary, because they are simply copies of other mobile operating systems, or ideas that have already been thought up. No user can call the new features magical, because they aren't when you look briefly at Android or WP7. Apple can't pull the usual "it's slimmer, lighter and faster" to wow the market because nothing was slimmer, lighter or faster this time around.

Apple, it's time to pull your own weight. It's time to get back in the magical innovation game.

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I was actually very impressed with this update, which makes a change because I usually think "whatever" about iOS updates.

iCloud is a really cool feature and I think Google needs to come up with something like it.

The notification lock screen idea was pretty cool.

iMessage is a brilliant idea.

Probably not enough to make me leave Android, but it's enough to make me think. I will at least have a play with the new iPhone when it's released and see what I think.


The iPhone was launched (pretty lonely) in 2007. Android came in 2009. So... I think two years is a long time in technology. The iPhone set up a new category for smartphones. So that is not after all a lie.
Marketing is always catchy. And they do it pretty well.

yeah it was lonly in US, and ppl think it was inovation, now go out and search u will find devices from HTC were in other parts of the world and yes those were touch screens.. so yeah they got better device but certainly not the first ones.

WOW, should somebody who obviously has an issue with Apple be able to write articles on a website like Neowin? My answer is NO but seems Neowin doesn't agree!

Quapps said,
WOW, should somebody who obviously has an issue with Apple be able to write articles on a website like Neowin? My answer is NO but seems Neowin doesn't agree!

What do you expect from this site. It's let more and more unprofessional sensationalist idiots through the doors over the last couple of years. Never before has that "unprofessional..." strap line been more appropriate.

Matt Hardwick said,

What do you expect from this site. It's let more and more unprofessional sensationalist idiots through the doors over the last couple of years. Never before has that "unprofessional..." strap line been more appropriate.

Agreed!

I actually like this iOS 5 release, since it has nothing really new, it will give Microsoft the required time to get on par with features and gain momentum when Mango and Nokia phones are released.

This thing sounds like a big whinge from an Apple fanboi.

The expectation that Apple can continue to release "revolutionary" and "magical" software is ****ing retarded.

They are releasing software based on what it's userbase wants. If that means taking good features already on the market, then so be it.

[quote:empty]Wow, what a rant! I definitely agree with a lot of your points - namely that Apple is playing catch-up now, however since I got my iphone 4 the major problems I've had with it (notifications, lack of a hard camera button) have now been addressed. Whilst I don't think it's a particularly 'magical' or 'revolutionary' udpate, I do definitely think that it has refined iOS to a pretty untouchable place.[/quote]

couldn't of said it any better.

The F*? This rant isn't even an article! I don't know who the editor is; he's probably in his 20's or 30s, but he sure sounds like a kid not getting his meal at 6PM sharp.. This is an utterless useless article.

Mathijs Delva said,
The F*? This rant isn't even an article! I don't know who the editor is; he's probably in his 20's or 30s, but he sure sounds like a kid not getting his meal at 6PM sharp.. This is an utterless useless article.

Agreed, this article brings nothing to Neowin.

Why does the original poster care? He clearly isn't an Apple fan so why write an article that can only be one sided. Do you think the general consumer cares? These are welcomed features so the general consumer is only going to be happier to own an iPhone... Seriously, i don't care if iphone had them first and i dont care who copied who..

And how is this even new? even the original iPhone missed out on features that all phones should have, ie MMS. There was no competition then so it didn't matter, but now there is i can see apple bringing their phones up to speed with features that they maybe should of had from the beginning... maybe it is the wake up call Apple needed, i'm all for that. But direct copied? i don't think so... these are features that are, and should be in all phones. Someone said it's not about feature but implementation.. o'rly? there are only so many ways a notification can appear on screen. The camera features, they have been around since sony ericsson started putting awesome cameras in the phones... so you could say google/ms copied sony ericsson?

over the air updates.. this is going to become a standard way to update most devices as network connectivity and cloud networking takes over every device we own. This is technology moving forward, all companies will adapt this.

I could go on.. but most of them fall under the same category as must have features on a phone.

Besides the fact that Jobs didn't claim any of these features were magical and revolutionary, i don't kno why people get so bent out of shape because it's only a marketing strategy, it works so why would they change it? As someone mentioned it's like Daz saying they get clothes whiter than white.

There is an article on win rumors showing side by side screenshots of the iphone 'ripoffs' and windows phone features.. all that did is make the win phone look like something from the 1999. fugly.

Maybe people are just annoyed at the fact that Apple can miss out key features and people still WANT them...

The recent announcement of iOS5 is a clear sign of Apple's arrogance that they are untouchable and far ahead of the competition.

In fact, this arrogance has also made them so delusional and clouded their judgement not knowing where the company stands against the competition. The features announced are a clear sign of an imminent defeat within the Apple camp.

So, why you people expect Apple to say? "We are unoriginal and this has been done before"? Every company lies. Read again: EVERY COMPANY LIES. It's called marketing. Apple is singled out because, well, Neowin has turned into a fanboys nest. You people think you need to debate about these things.

I like evolutionary products far more than revolutionary ones. "Revolutionary" ones often take one step ahead and two steps back.

Oh how the mighty is falling. Hopefully this will teach Apple a lesson on better bang for the buck, and owning up to mistakes made....and recently, there have been many. Apple used to be about R&D. Why years ago I bought one of the last wheel model ipods 30gb video. I now keep it plugged in my car in 110+ heat and it always turns on and works great. But that was back when they were more about quality and not making a quick buck.

*input sarcasm where you see fit. *

The reason why people think Apple is innocent don't see Apple as a threat to technology and it moving forward.

Considering they brought out there famous 80's tv spot claiming to break the chains of a "Communist" Rule of pc's at the time.
They themselves have become what they preached to not be just a few decades ago.

It's hard to have faith in any company that claims one thing to get everyone on board then does a 360 to become what it fought to not be.

I remember a time when Steve jobs was out to make apple different, now it's just make everything my way for a ton of money and unfortunately people don't want to make up there own mind and get told HOW to do things instead of deciding for themselves how they want to do them.

It wasn't about who copy whom's features. Features , or the idea in itself is easily copied. What matter is the implementation. And people blame Apple for copying? COME ON, look at Microsoft, Not only do they not copy, or cant be axxed to copy. Even when they do they actually make an bad implementation of it.

It is painfully obvious the author is an Android fans, hate Apple, and dont understand the value of it.

And when iOS 5 brings these features Millions of iPhone users. Individual Android users will have wait for their Skins, their version of OS to get an update.

Please, Neowin, be fair, netrual. And give credit where it is due.

What a lame sensationalist article. disappointed to find it here on the front page of neowin instead of buried in the forum pages where it should be.

bobbba said,
What a lame sensationalist article. disappointed to find it here on the front page of neowin instead of buried in the forum pages where it should be.

Agree.

J_R_G said,
Cupertino, start your photocopiers?

I really wish MS would make a banner with that on it. Just for irony, you know? I'd bet that would get some laughs.

Brian Miller said,
Not iOS 5, more like iBugFixes 5.

I would call them feature fix. I don't know how many bugs you've encountered on this platform, but I've been running it since the last 3 years and a half, and it's always been near perfect. The only thing I've met is a few crashes here and there, but not bugs. That has to be the most stable OS on this planet actually.

However, feature side, all they added were actually things we needed, things they needed to add to catch up with the competition (Google). The notifications system for instance was 100% needed to catch up with this awesome notification halo that Android platform has.

iOS is a mature platform now - I don't know why people expect something revolutionary from it any more than expecting something revolutionary in Windows, Office or any other mature software out there. What you're seeing is the continued refinement and that'll continue until the next break through which shakes up the industry but until then expect to see more of the same but with soe tweaks here and there.

Edit: End users don't care about revolutionary - they care about the end result and whether they can get their favourite game/application/etc on it.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
iOS is a mature platform now - I don't know why people expect something revolutionary from it any more than expecting something revolutionary in Windows, Office or any other mature software out there.

Just because it's mature, that does not mean that it's exempt from innovation. There was still a boatload of innovation that iOS 5 could have been introduced to. How come Microsoft was able to introduce new innovative features in Mango (like better Twitter integration, conversation inbox, SMS dictation, notification tiles, etc) that no other platform has? It's because there was always room for innovation. There still is. This isn't a problem of iOS simply running out of things left to innovate in, it's just that Apple wasn't able to bring new innovations to the table. There were a whole lot of things that they could have brought to iOS 5 that no current platform has.

Still iOS have a lot of things others platforms lack, and that's the beauty of having options, you choose whatever suit you the best. And any new good option added no matter how small or unoriginal can seams it just put more pressure to the other company to excel themselves, and the great part is that we consumers end up with better stuff for our money.

Edited by Meconio, Jun 8 2011, 3:56am :

Meconio said,
Still iOS have a lot of things others platforms lack...

Like what? Honestly, the only thing that iOS really has over WP7 (if we count Mango as a certainty) is FaceTime. The rest are just little interface gimmicks that are unique to it. WP7 has a boatload of functionality built into the OS, wheras iOS is more like an app-launcher IMO. I'd like to see a list of things that the iPhone can do that the WP7 can't do, that are actually important features.

PlogCF said,

Like what? Honestly, the only thing that iOS really has over WP7 (if we count Mango as a certainty) is FaceTime. The rest are just little interface gimmicks that are unique to it. WP7 has a boatload of functionality built into the OS, wheras iOS is more like an app-launcher IMO. I'd like to see a list of things that the iPhone can do that the WP7 can't do, that are actually important features.

The problem is that both IOS and WP7 lack compared to WM 6.5........

I love Neowin articles that objectively review hardware or software, leaving the obvious statements (A seller told you that his product is more amazing than it actually is) to the comments...this is not one of them.

This is clearly an article for Windows lovers/Mac Hatters.

Meconio said,
I love Neowin articles that objectively review hardware or software, leaving the obvious statements (A seller told you that his product is more amazing than it actually is) to the comments...this is not one of them.

This is clearly an article for Windows lovers/Mac Hatters.

Your post reminded me of this article. http://www.winrumors.com/micro...s-5-windows-phone-features/ which I found to cover the same ground but is more insightful than opinionated. The comments are heated but that's what comments sections are for.

Meconio said,
I love Neowin articles that objectively review hardware or software, leaving the obvious statements (A seller told you that his product is more amazing than it actually is) to the comments...this is not one of them.

This is clearly an article for Windows lovers/Mac Hatters.


This is exactly my thought. Editorials shouldn't really be allowed on a "journalism" website. It generates opinion convergence so easily, especially because Neowin is all about Microsoft to begin with. We can definitely consider it pro-Microsoft, so their editorials will rarely be pro-Apple or pro-Linux or whatnot.

Now, I'm not whining because it's something against Apple. Even if this article were completely 100% pro-Apple, I don't care, editorials should simply not be allowed on a journalism website, period.

Yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about, you can give the facts but keep your biased opinions to yourself and let the kindergarten babies argue about which is better Apple or Microsoft in the comment section....it's the redaction of the article that bothers me, with a clear anti-Apple tone.

And btw who actually believe that it would be a revolutionary or magical talk?, furthermore didn't he know what the topics were going to be?, so if this guy got disappointed was because his expectations were too high, so instead of writing the article he should have let his tantrum go away, take a deep breath and say: It's only new software announcement its neither the cure for cancer nor the bible-belt pastors stating that they now believe in evolution.

PyX said,
Actually it has been one of the most amazing WWDCs in a long time, but ok...
all they did was copy copy copy, but yeah i don't get why people are so mad that they are adding these important features

It seems that Apple gets all there ideas on what to incorporate into the next version of iOS from jailbreak apps lol.

So funny, iOS 5 is a nice step forward and a value add, stop whining because the few things other phone OSs had going for them are no longer advantages. Apple simply re-leveled the playing field again, and the combination of a superior app store and overall experience puts them back at the top. I just hope Apple doesn't get charged with assault for taking Google Music out back and slapping it around.

Bero said,
even htc sense 3.0 which is relatively older than iOS 5 looks better specially in the lockscreen
HTC Sense (1.0+) has always been more polished than IOS...

**** this is it. I don't know why the hell people always complain... I mean, they complain about something missing, and when they add it, people say it is a complete rip off... C'mon!

Jose_49 said,
**** this is it. I don't know why the hell people always complain... I mean, they complain about something missing, and when they add it, people say it is a complete rip off... C'mon!

Exactly.

Jose_49 said,
**** this is it. I don't know why the hell people always complain... I mean, they complain about something missing, and when they add it, people say it is a complete rip off... C'mon!
You do realize every mobile OS has a unique way of displaying notifications. The fact that Apple blatantly ripped off Android is very sad. They could have innovated a unique way of displaying notifications, but they didn't. Also, earlier this year, Apple stated that everyone is copying them (remember 2011: year of copycats?) Well, I guess they were talking about themselves when they said that.

Most of the features that I wanted in iOS (except for swipe keyboard integration) were announced as part of iOS 5. These were the notification centre, over the air upgrades & delta upgrades, and LED notifications for message arrivals. The iMessage feature was a nice bonus. I could care less if any one of these features made it to BlackBerry, Android, or Windows Phone in advance... I'm also hoping that per-account e-mail signatures will also be part of the upgrade once it's released in the Fall. I don't understand why Android/BlackBerry/Windows Phone users are so threatened by iOS though ... well I understand it, I just find it lame.

Actually there are three features I'd like to have seen in iOS 5:

- A build-in turn-by-turn voice-capable navigation app (like CoPilot)
- A build-in swipe keyboard alternative (like Nuance Shapewriter)
- Per-account e-mail signatures

Even if all three of these features were also included, in addition to Adobe Flash, none of them would make iOS 5 revolutionary. All of these features are available in other mobile platforms already. I don't know what the article writer expected from iOS ... is there ANYTHING that Apple could have added for iOS to be considered revolutionary as opposed to evolutionary?!

Consumers care if Apple takes a feature from another device and puts it into their OS? Are you joking? Nobody cares. If it's an improvement to what they already have, and it's easy to use and nice to look at, that's all they care about. The only people that care are snobs like you.

jafoman said,
Consumers care if Apple takes a feature from another device and puts it into their OS? Are you joking? Nobody cares. If it's an improvement to what they already have, and it's easy to use and nice to look at, that's all they care about. The only people that care are snobs like you.

I totally agree. Most users don't care where the idea came from. All these companies steal from each other. All they really care about is if its an improvement over what they currently have. Fanboys are the only people that care, and they don't matter.

ReverendTom said,

I totally agree. Most users don't care where the idea came from. All these companies steal from each other. All they really care about is if its an improvement over what they currently have. Fanboys are the only people that care, and they don't matter.

Everyone's opinion matters. It's just a little dangerous when you post an article like this on a news website that is pure opinion.

I do own an iPhone 3GS and welcome these changes. I really don't care where the ideas come from.

jafoman said,

Everyone's opinion matters. It's just a little dangerous when you post an article like this on a news website that is pure opinion.

I do own an iPhone 3GS and welcome these changes. I really don't care where the ideas come from.

It's labeled editorial and the tag-line of this web site says it all, it's always been awful in that respect. And they know it, they love the traffic these headlines bring in, only reason they allow it.

jafoman said,
Consumers care if Apple takes a feature from another device and puts it into their OS? Are you joking? Nobody cares. If it's an improvement to what they already have, and it's easy to use and nice to look at, that's all they care about. The only people that care are snobs like you.

Haha +1

This has always been the case with apple though, it's not new, At least, with their iphones, they take people ideas, dress it up a little, and call it their own, then all the apple consumers get amazed at waht they're doing.

Admittedly, sometimes they managed to do some things better, but for the most part, it's just the same thing and suddenly, it's their inventions, then they go off and sue everybody else.

These are teh reasons i no long have an iPhone and will never own another apple product, not because they're bad products, because of what the company stands for.

Happy_Camel said,
This has always been the case with apple though, it's not new, At least, with their iphones, they take people ideas, dress it up a little, and call it their own, then all the apple consumers get amazed at waht they're doing.

Admittedly, sometimes they managed to do some things better, but for the most part, it's just the same thing and suddenly, it's their inventions, then they go off and sue everybody else.

These are teh reasons i no long have an iPhone and will never own another apple product, not because they're bad products, because of what the company stands for.

yeah yeah, I am sure, do you know Apple is the most sued against company, so saying they go off and sue everyone else, is can't frankly completely and utterly wrong, maybe you should check some facts, as for what the company stands for, in that case, I'm surprised you actually able to buy anything as they're all the same, but I doubt this would make such a good statement.

Let me preface my remarks by saying that I actually moved away from Apple to Android and now have a HTC Desire, and if I recall correctly it was because my 2-odd year-old iPhone (3G) from memory was struggling to support newer iOS versions and even then the functionality was far behind.

THAT said - I think Apple deserve kudos for this move. iOS5 may not be a great leap forward in technology, but why are we criticising them for making sure they're getting the basics (such as notifications, Twitter integration etc) right? So what if they're behind the crowd for once - at least they're doing it and not suffering criticism.

If Apple continue the innovation and Android stays relatively stagnant between now and the next time my phone contract is up for renewal, then they may just get my business back. Who knows?

There is nothing revolutionary about iOS 5. Its true of all operating systems as they mature. I would n't call OS X revolutionary either.

BoDEAN said,
Written from someone who doesn't own an apple product.....

yep, why do people who don't even own a iOS device even have a interest in it, unless its like PLOGCF just here to troll whilst wiping the drool from his chin as he works himself into a frenzy.

evo_spook said,

yep, why do people who don't even own a iOS device even have a interest in it, unless its like PLOGCF just here to troll whilst wiping the drool from his chin as he works himself into a frenzy.


Is it trolling to tell the truth? Documented statements are not trolling comments, but rather...documented statements.
To answer your other statement, I take an interest in all technology regardless of its inventor or company. However, I have a problem with companies like Apple that rip off from other companies and then point the blame at Microsoft (and recently Google). I've always been on the side of innovation, and if you asked me about my stance on Microsoft five years ago (before Win7, Bing, Kinect, WP7, etc...), I would have told you that Apple was the innovation leader. And it was true, too. Back in 2006-2007, Apple did do the majority of innovation in the mobile market. I even was thinking about switching to a Mac at the time when Vista was a flop. As a developer, I hated IE, hated XP, disliked Vista, and thought that Microsoft was not looking towards the future. At the time, Apple appeared to be the one leading the technological revolution.

However, it all changed when I began noticing a dramatic cultural change in Microsoft since the launch of Windows 7. Then, I saw them innovating to new degrees once again with stuff like IE9 and 10, a new interest in standards and HTML5, Windows Phone, the Metro design language becoming a standard for Microsoft, Xbox Kinect, and recently Windows 8. And, after noticing how Apple seemed to ironically sit on its laurels over the past four years (Even iPad was just a lazy way of porting iOS from iPhone to a larger screen. Apple could have done so much more with the iPad.), I found that Microsoft was truly doing stuff that no company had ever dared to do before. Specifically, with Metro and Windows Phone, I was finally convinced that Microsoft was an innovation leader. Apple, unfortunately, seems to have run into a wall, and now they're copying features from other platforms rather than innovating. Defend them all you want, but ask the question: How come when Microsoft unveils Mango, the next version of Windows Phone, they had a multitude of new features that Apple could have also introduced to put itself ahead of the competition? The fact is, it's not 2001 anymore, and people are going to have to accept that Microsoft is once again THE innovation leader. I know that ten years of slow development in the past have given Microsoft a bad name. I know that people still will listen to Mr. Jobs spew out whatever nonsense he can, only to get a standing ovation. But, I do know that, if we look at the technological industry, we can see that (as of today) Microsoft is doing things that can only lead to the overall advancement of technology by all companies. This WWDC was really inspired by Microsoft, and I have no problem with that. My only problem is when Apple claims that they innovated something that they really stole in this case. Their website is an example of that. It would be nice if they could just be perfectly honest and say: "Hey, here's iOS 5, and it's taken some cues from WP7 and Android." But, they do not say this. Therefore, I am discontent with Apple's communication of their new products to their audiences, rather than the direct innovational source of their products.

So, in conclusion, I'm just pointing out the fact that, while I do now take a bias towards Microsoft as being the innovation leader, it's not an unconditional one. If I see Microsoft fall back into the same position as 2005, I'll gladly praise Apple or Google just like I used to. For now though, you can't argue that they've been doing a lot of innovative stuff lately--more so than other companies. Until this point can be successfully argued against, I'll retain my praise of Microsoft.

You're all missing the revolutionary magical new feature, the notifications are TRANSPARENT! Gotta give it to Steve Jobs he's really pulled one out this time.

Ok I get there not new features but they are good ones, If you look at iOS as it stands what exactly could you do to give it major new features? There isn't much there are a few things missing that others have so why nit add them? The whole point of an iPhone is to have everything you need right where and when you need it so why not have those features on your device, why not say someone else got it right? The face is with all the apps out there and the content within iOS there's not much to long for? Is there!

Was anybody seriously expecting something revolutionary? It's only a software update. Nothing revolutionary comes out of Android updates either. Clearly people just like to complain because it's Apple and it's "cool" to hate on Apple... nice

Astra.Xtreme said,
Was anybody seriously expecting something revolutionary? It's only a software update. Nothing revolutionary comes out of Android updates either. Clearly people just like to complain because it's Apple and it's "cool" to hate on Apple... nice

No, it's actually "cool" to hate on Microsoft, because of Apple's lies in the first place. That's why people on these forums hate Apple.

PlogCF said,

No, it's actually "cool" to hate on Microsoft, because of Apple's lies in the first place. That's why people on these forums hate Apple.

"To hate" is very often a symptom of ignorance; I am agnostic to brand although I have a strong preference to Microsoft.... when the company does thing right.

LOL! SO TRUE!!!!!

Apple always says that their products are 'revolutionary' or 'groundbreaking' or whatever other similar words you can come up with ... Most hyped up company ever ;D

Someone has their panties in a bunch, huh. Bad trip to the genius bar recently?

These are major updates to the iOS and should be shown in that light regardless of your loyalties.

If Android Ice-Cream Sandwich doesn't bring anything new to the market, and WP7 improves after Mango, I'm jumping ship.

I don't see what the big fuss is all about. To me, Apple is still far ahead in the mobile and tablet market. I'm forced to run custom roms on my Galaxy S to get it to run smoothly and my Transformer, as much as I love it, runs like complete crap. Laggy laggy lag after I add a few widgets, move between screens or even when I try and move an icon around. iOS is smooth and very rarely do apps crash. Who cares if Apple only have to concentrate on their own hardware, it works and that's what consumers work.

It doesn't really matter if Apple need to add a few more features into their OS. It already is a stable OS and if the few features it lacks come late into the game, it's always better late then never. Android at the moment lacks a stable system where apps seem to "force close" for no apparent reason and Honeycomb lacks tablet specific apps. Windows Phone has very few useful apps and although it seems it might be a competitive system, it still has its ways to go. Apple can afford to take a breather as it still is far ahead in the game when it comes to apps, users and overall stability.

Billus said,
I don't see what the big fuss is all about. To me, Apple is still far ahead in the mobile and tablet market. I'm forced to run custom roms on my Galaxy S to get it to run smoothly and my Transformer, as much as I love it, runs like complete crap. Laggy laggy lag after I add a few widgets, move between screens or even when I try and move an icon around. iOS is smooth and very rarely do apps crash. Who cares if Apple only have to concentrate on their own hardware, it works and that's what consumers work.

It doesn't really matter if Apple need to add a few more features into their OS. It already is a stable OS and if the few features it lacks come late into the game, it's always better late then never. Android at the moment lacks a stable system where apps seem to "force close" for no apparent reason and Honeycomb lacks tablet specific apps. Windows Phone has very few useful apps and although it seems it might be a competitive system, it still has its ways to go. Apple can afford to take a breather as it still is far ahead in the game when it comes to apps, users and overall stability.

Refering to the galaxy S, had any first hand experiance with the new Galaxy S II ? Heard the faster processor makes things ALOT smoother.Supposed to be revolutionary!

We forget something...if it wasn't Apple we still be used keys on our phones guys.
If it wasn't apple touch screens on a phone maybe was "outer-space" future.
If it wasn't Apple phones maybe were still as they were 4 years ago.

In the very first place all these companies like google and Microsoft took apple "magic iphone" and the just create an OS with some improvements... Big Deal!
It is always easy to enchance something with strong foundations. But the strong foundations in this case was apple's iphone and all of the technology apple used.

I am sorry but i am not an Apple guy but i admit that Apple is always 1 step ahead.

Macgneto said,
We forget something...if it wasn't Apple we still be used keys on our phones guys.
If it wasn't apple touch screens on a phone maybe was "outer-space" future.
If it wasn't Apple phones maybe were still as they were 4 years ago.

In the very first place all these companies like google and Microsoft took apple "magic iphone" and the just create an OS with some improvements... Big Deal!
It is always easy to enchance something with strong foundations. But the strong foundations in this case was apple's iphone and all of the technology apple used.

I am sorry but i am not an Apple guy but i admit that Apple is always 1 step ahead.

Wrong. If it wasn't for Apple, we would still have touch-screens on our phones. Touch-technology was implemented in Microsoft Surface since 2001 (even before for testing). It's no doubt that it would have eventually made its way onto phones and tablets. Besides, this article doesn't point out that Apple was never once innovative (although they were rarely). It points out the difference now, in the past few years. Deal with reality.

PlogCF said,

Wrong. If it wasn't for Apple, we would still have touch-screens on our phones. Touch-technology was implemented in Microsoft Surface since 2001 (even before for testing). It's no doubt that it would have eventually made its way onto phones and tablets. Besides, this article doesn't point out that Apple was never once innovative (although they were rarely). It points out the difference now, in the past few years. Deal with reality.

Ok first Microsoft surface did not come to light until 2008 not 2001 .


If it wasant for Apple we would not have Multi-touch phones when we did would would still have single touch based interfaces and maby just maby now getting to something better. Every other phone manufacture tries to be like Apple why do you think many companies create custom Home screens and Launchers on ther android phones because they want what Apple has in iOS.

Apple Made what most would deemed impossible/ possible back in 2007 with the reveal of the iPhone because i am sure most everyone looked @ then unknown named iOs and was shocked at how damn well it run on a 400mhz CPU and with little ram and that it must be Fake i know my reaction was like HOW? they made and have a great Mobile Os that takes allot of the desktop OS backbone and gives a tailored experience that is Fast and smooth.

oh and the Notification system part of it was developed by a guy who made a jail broken version while back and they hired that guy

Macgneto said,
We forget something...if it wasn't Apple we still be used keys on our phones guys.
And I would be happy. Touchscreen's aren't the be-all end-all, and a good keypad will never beat out a touchscreen with no haptic feedback.

PlogCF said,

Wrong. If it wasn't for Apple, we would still have touch-screens on our phones. Touch-technology was implemented in Microsoft Surface since 2001 (even before for testing). It's no doubt that it would have eventually made its way onto phones and tablets. Besides, this article doesn't point out that Apple was never once innovative (although they were rarely). It points out the difference now, in the past few years. Deal with reality.

It's nicely summed up about the reports of internal panic at RIM when the original iPhone was announced, and how they all thoguht it was impossible:

http://www.redmondpie.com/blac...lying-about-iphone-in-2007/

It's true that the user features in this release are playing catch-up to other OSes. I think that's great, as long as it doesn't become the norm.

I heard a great quote about this at some point over the past couple of days - "Great ideas spread. If something only stays in one place, it's a dead idea."

seing as i have no interest in a black berry or android, these additions are good for me as an ios device user.

Well my thoughts are that granted, none of the features are revolutionary or innovating but, I don't believe they claimed they were anyway so what then? iPhone was launched in '07. It paved the way for how future mainstream smartphones would be made...yes, even Android. While Android, WP7 are on their own paths now, they took off from Apple's launch of the iPhone in '07. It happens all the time, when one company does something so changing such as the iPhone or iPad, its natural that other companies will try and cash in with their own versions...and No, i'm not an Apple fanboy by any means, Apple has it severe faults but, that is how I see it with all of this.

It's shocking to see how bad the reporting has gotten around here. This article is nothing more then to start an argument over who copied who and who had it first. It's high time for people to grow up and stop this crap. If you don't like an os, ios/android/wp7, that's fine but stop complaining about it. Conversely, if you like a particular os, that's great but I don't need to constantly hear about.

BlendedFrog said,
It's shocking to see how bad the reporting has gotten around here. This article is nothing more then to start an argument over who copied who and who had it first. It's high time for people to grow up and stop this crap. If you don't like an os, ios/android/wp7, that's fine but stop complaining about it. Conversely, if you like a particular os, that's great but I don't need to constantly hear about.

This. I can't believe that an opinion piece (read: rant) like this qualifies as journalism (even of the unprofessional variety hawked by Neowin).

Honestly, iOS 5 looks to me to be enough to keep me on the platform. While it's true that most of the features were already available elsewhere, iOS has, in my opinion (and it is my opinion), always had the best implementation. I was satisfied before, and this is just an improvement on something I was already happy with.

Simon said,
Honestly, iOS 5 looks to me to be enough to keep me on the platform. While it's true that most of the features were already available elsewhere, iOS has, in my opinion (and it is my opinion), always had the best implementation. I was satisfied before, and this is just an improvement on something I was already happy with.

Well said. Having these features as core OS features will be welcomed to all iOS users.

Simon said,
Honestly, iOS 5 looks to me to be enough to keep me on the platform. While it's true that most of the features were already available elsewhere, iOS has, in my opinion (and it is my opinion), always had the best implementation. I was satisfied before, and this is just an improvement on something I was already happy with.
Spoken like a true fanboy. Apple is seen as an innovator...they have not really innovated anything with the iPhone. Everything that's in IOS has been in previous mobile OS's, and all they can do is copy. There is one thing they can do right, and it's marketing. They market the crap out of the features, and give it terms like magical, revolutionary, etc.

tsupersonic said,
Spoken like a true fanboy. Apple is seen as an innovator...they have not really innovated anything with the iPhone. Everything that's in IOS has been in previous mobile OS's, and all they can do is copy. There is one thing they can do right, and it's marketing. They market the crap out of the features, and give it terms like magical, revolutionary, etc.
Where did I say that Apple innovates? They've had ideas in the past, but their primary function is making past ideas more usable.

I'm not a fanboy for liking Apple's implementation over Google and Microsoft's. I'm just a user.

Over-The-Air updates have been around since the original Sidekicks/Hiptops were released, as has cloud-based contact sync, launching the camera from the lockscreen, and even an app store.

Welcome to 2002, Apple.

Shadow D. Wolf said,
Over-The-Air updates have been around since the original Sidekicks/Hiptops were released, as has cloud-based contact sync, launching the camera from the lockscreen, and even an app store.

Welcome to 2002, Apple.


The iCloud does a bit more than just sync contacts though, which btw together with calendars and mail was available since the first version of iOS, back then it was pretty rare with any kind of sync on any platform.

OTA updates might not be new, but it's new to iOS and something people wished it had, naturally it is of course wrong to add it too because simply adding features people want is wrong.

And no, nothing quite like the App Store before Apple introduced it for iOS. Sure site gather download but nothing like an appstore, specially not on mobile devices.

Leonick said,

And no, nothing quite like the App Store before Apple introduced it for iOS. Sure site gather download but nothing like an appstore, specially not on mobile devices.

Wrong.

The Download Catalog on the Hiptops/Sidekicks was browsable directly on the device, and could download and install apps without needing to be connected to a computer. Oh, and purchases were billed directly to the carrier- something neither Android nor iOS have been able to do until recently.

Shadow D. Wolf said,

Wrong.

The Download Catalog on the Hiptops/Sidekicks was browsable directly on the device, and could download and install apps without needing to be connected to a computer. Oh, and purchases were billed directly to the carrier- something neither Android nor iOS have been able to do until recently.

I've had carrier billing on my t-mobile android phone for ages now. It's hardly new for t-mobile. At&t and the others, yes. But not t-mobile.

djdanska said,
I've had carrier billing on my t-mobile android phone for ages now. It's hardly new for t-mobile. At&t and the others, yes. But not t-mobile.
It's been on Verizon too...

gcgonster said,
I TOTALLY agree with this article. Never seen what people see so revolutionary in an iPhone.

Well every iPhone isnt revolutionary, but the original was. If you can't see why I think you need to go back and look at phones before it, specially touch screen and smartphones and then take a look after it's introduction...

Leonick said,

Well every iPhone isnt revolutionary, but the original was. If you can't see why I think you need to go back and look at phones before it, specially touch screen and smartphones and then take a look after it's introduction...

Most will agree with this. While Apple didn't invent apps, the app store idea, nor the touch screen, they did create the first one which was designed in a very polished, easy to use, fun & intuitive way. Game changers come along every so often, and that was one of them.

gcgonster said,
I TOTALLY agree with this article. Never seen what people see so revolutionary in an iPhone.

Maybe you never used a smartphone before.........
Apple indeed change the entire oparadigm of how we interact with such kind of devices. Yes it was a Copernican revolution but now the paradigm is aging and need a "refresh", not necessarily another revolution.

Btw no I do not use an iPhone: WP7 before and WM 6.5 for the time being.

I was genuinely shocked at the fugly design of the lock screen, it's not how Apple used to do things. It feels tacked on at the last minute...literally!

IDK. Nothing ground breaking, but I'm still more excited about iOS 5 than I was about iOS 4. The multitasking features were the only real thing I liked out of iOS 4. iOS 5 seems to be more extensive to me. All the big features are no doubt copies from other platforms. But all the small features that have been reported add up to something that will be nice for all iOS users.

Why not bashing Apple when they claim so, but can't catch up?
The article takes on a new OS revision, not just some updates.
Nice that they fixed some issues, but that is just hotfixing, not a new OS revision...

As for WP7, it is fast, if not faster.

As big of a Microsoft fanboy as I am, I'll admit Apple makes some nice features. Usually there's at least 1 or 2 new features I really like when they announce something new. This time, however, I didn't feel that way. Every single thing was taken from either a competing mobile OS or an app (a to do list? really?). I just hope that WP7 can start to really gain ground after this and more so when Mango gets here.

bremic9188 said,
As big of a Microsoft fanboy as I am, I'll admit Apple makes some nice features. Usually there's at least 1 or 2 new features I really like when they announce something new. This time, however, I didn't feel that way. Every single thing was taken from either a competing mobile OS or an app (a to do list? really?). I just hope that WP7 can start to really gain ground after this and more so when Mango gets here.

I agree. If I were an Apple fanboy I would be disappointed by this release. I mean, to call this a major release? When Mango is a point release and getting all the features that are coming out with that? I mean, compare the two updates. iOS 5 is really a joke.

M_Lyons10 said,

I agree. If I were an Apple fanboy I would be disappointed by this release. I mean, to call this a major release? When Mango is a point release and getting all the features that are coming out with that? I mean, compare the two updates. iOS 5 is really a joke.

No, if you were an Apple Fanboy, you would be singing Apple's praise from the roof, and somehow accusing the competing companies who already have those features of copying them from Apple.

Just so you know, apple puts all of its employee's in the front row. That is usually the row they show People clapping.

warwagon said,
Just so you know, apple puts all of its employee's in the front row. That is usually the row they show People clapping.

...and fainting...

anyone else getting the feeling that glass look is getting old on OSX? sometimes the gloss feels a little too much

Stewart Gilligan Griffin said,
anyone else getting the feeling that glass look is getting old on OSX? sometimes the gloss feels a little too much

I don't look at it every day, but I could see it getting old if I did... With that said, it does have some very cool transitions...

Stewart Gilligan Griffin said,
anyone else getting the feeling that glass look is getting old on OSX? sometimes the gloss feels a little too much

Glass look? There is glass in OS X?

I can tell you what i felt was getting old, the blue bars and buttons everywhere, thankfully they are gone in lion

Koki.v3 said,
This should have been iOS 4.5 or something, iOS 5 should have revamped the whole system.

You know, major feature tend to mean big version bumps, it's how it (should) works. (not than Google and Mozilla are aware of that anymore with Chrome and Firefox)

And why do a complete revamp of the system? You don't fix what aint broken and you do scratch a winning concept. Guess why MS are still holding on to windows even when the now add a shell over it...

Koki.v3 said,
This should have been iOS 4.5 or something, iOS 5 should have revamped the whole system.

Remember those early reports that said that iOS 5 was going to be a "complete reset." LOL, the irony.
No, what this really should have been named was iOS 4.000000000.00000000.0001. That would have been much more appropriate IMO.

PlogCF said,

Remember those early reports that said that iOS 5 was going to be a "complete reset." LOL, the irony.
No, what this really should have been named was iOS 4.000000000.00000000.0001. That would have been much more appropriate IMO.

Reports by whom? Do you remember those "reports" about a so called "Excalibur" GUI for Vista?
We cannot crucify a company if someone makes speculations about coming products.

Said that I do agree that IOS needs a complete GUI "refresh" because it is getting old.

Northgrove said,
Good Apple didn't use any of those two words during they iOS 5 keynote then.

Anyway; let the circlejerk commence.

hahahaha, circlejerk.

As much as I agree iOS 5 doesn't bring anything truly new to the platform, you shouldn't bash Apple for playing 'catch up', as it were. Often their interpretation of an idea turns out better than the original.

You would bash them if they continued to ignore common features (custom ringtones anybody?) so why bash them when they try to keep themselves in the loop?

what said,
As much as I agree iOS 5 doesn't bring anything truly new to the platform, you shouldn't bash Apple for playing 'catch up', as it were. Often their interpretation of an idea turns out better than the original.

You would bash them if they continued to ignore common features (custom ringtones anybody?) so why bash them when they try to keep themselves in the loop?

You are right, but this is just the kind of sensationalist tripe we've all come to expect from neowin.

what said,

You would bash them if they continued to ignore common features (custom ringtones anybody?) so why bash them when they try to keep themselves in the loop?

Is that a dig at WP7? Because custom ringtones are supported in the FIRST major update to WP7 (Mango). How many major updates did you have to wait for copy and paste, or a decent notification system, or a way to take a picture without unlocking your device?

Folks seem to bash to bash. They bash for them not having features, and then bash them for including the features they were originally bashing them for not having.

M_Lyons10 said,

Is that a dig at WP7? Because custom ringtones are supported in the FIRST major update to WP7 (Mango). How many major updates did you have to wait for copy and paste, or a decent notification system, or a way to take a picture without unlocking your device?

I was talking about iOS.

what said,
As much as I agree iOS 5 doesn't bring anything truly new to the platform, you shouldn't bash Apple for playing 'catch up', as it were. Often their interpretation of an idea turns out better than the original.

You would bash them if they continued to ignore common features (custom ringtones anybody?) so why bash them when they try to keep themselves in the loop?

+1
Apple puts a level of polish on their products that most companies don't. It's one thing to do it first but it's another thing to take something and make it better for your customers. I've encountered very few iPhone users (non-fanboys) who can say that they've had a bad experience. Now they'll have a better experience. The end-user experience is what it's about for Apple. Anyone who doesn't realize that is missing the point.

Shadrack said,
Folks seem to bash to bash. They bash for them not having features, and then bash them for including the features they were originally bashing them for not having.

Yes, because the majority of people are insecure about themselves and obviously the phone they bought and have to keep telling everyone how awesome it is as a reminder to themselves

Simple psychology...

Shadrack said,
Folks seem to bash to bash. They bash for them not having features, and then bash them for including the features they were originally bashing them for not having.

Yeah, but a straight-out Android notification system rip-off?!
Apple should at least TRY and make something different. Apple is not being bashed for getting a notif system, but blatantly copying Android here.

asdavis10 said,

+1
Apple puts a level of polish on their products that most companies don't. It's one thing to do it first but it's another thing to take something and make it better for your customers. I've encountered very few iPhone users (non-fanboys) who can say that they've had a bad experience. Now they'll have a better experience. The end-user experience is what it's about for Apple. Anyone who doesn't realize that is missing the point.

-2
The only "polish" that Apple puts on their products (being software features) are stupid SVG gradients, combined with some glossiness and rounded corners. The piece-de-resistance is the reality distortion that gets sprinkled on top of their products when Apple claims that they invented them.
There should be a law against lying to everyone about inventing something, and stealing someone else's invention. Apple's definitely just begging Microsoft and Google for a lawsuit any day now...

PlogCF said,

There should be a law against lying to everyone about inventing something, and stealing someone else's invention. Apple's definitely just begging Microsoft and Google for a lawsuit any day now...

You are the one with the distortion field, hell you think MS or Google would have waited this long before suing Apple.

Shadrack said,
Folks seem to bash to bash. They bash for them not having features, and then bash them for including the features they were originally bashing them for not having.

+1 , and I'm glad they copied the Android notification system, it's one of the things I've missed from Android.

acnpt said,

You are the one with the distortion field, hell you think MS or Google would have waited this long before suing Apple.

They haven't waited this long. I'm talking about NOW. I think that, after this keynote, MS and Google should definitely sue Apple just to get back at them for all of the fake "we invented this" crap that has plagued non-Apple companies. Apple is just a company that uses lies and tricks to sell their products, and it's about time that the real innovators step forward and stop all of this madness.

PlogCF said,

They haven't waited this long. I'm talking about NOW. I think that, after this keynote, MS and Google should definitely sue Apple just to get back at them for all of the fake "we invented this" crap that has plagued non-Apple companies. Apple is just a company that uses lies and tricks to sell their products, and it's about time that the real innovators step forward and stop all of this madness.

MS and Apple will not sue each other for cases like this. They signed a cross-licensing agreement when MS bought $500M of preferred stock back in the '90s. Which makes it funny, Apple can make the claim of "Redmond starting their photocopiers" but they are allowed to (just as Apple can copy MS), and it was that copying that actually saved Apple at one time.

Ishanx said,

Yeah, but a straight-out Android notification system rip-off?!
Apple should at least TRY and make something different. Apple is not being bashed for getting a notif system, but blatantly copying Android here.

I agree with your sentiment. They could have at least put a spun on it somehow.

The problem is ... hypocrisy.
When Samsung designed theirs phone to be remotely similar to Apple, they just sue Samsung's ass off while they are free to do the same thing. How is it fair ?

M_Lyons10 said,

Is that a dig at WP7? Because custom ringtones are supported in the FIRST major update to WP7 (Mango). How many major updates did you have to wait for copy and paste, or a decent notification system, or a way to take a picture without unlocking your device?

Well Mango will arrive,supposedly, sometimes in the Autumn. I had this feature and many more both IOS 5 and WP7 are still lacking with WM many years ago.

what said,
Often their interpretation of an idea turns out better than the original. ?

I guess his point is that that's not what they're doing here. Look, Apple played catchup with regards to copy and paste, but they truly did make it better than it was on other platforms (albeit, very, very late in the game)
I'm not seeing anything of that here. They took the notification system pretty much as is from Android and added very little to make it better.

k7of9 said,

I guess his point is that that's not what they're doing here. Look, Apple played catchup with regards to copy and paste, but they truly did make it better than it was on other platforms (albeit, very, very late in the game)
I'm not seeing anything of that here. They took the notification system pretty much as is from Android and added very little to make it better.

I personally think the Notification system was rushed, the background looks aweful and they only recently hired the Jailbreak guy who made a similar notification system. I'm guessing by the time iOS5 hits GM it will be refined, and maybe even add some stuff no other OS's have (here's to hoping)

Ishanx said,

Yeah, but a straight-out Android notification system rip-off?!
Apple should at least TRY and make something different. Apple is not being bashed for getting a notif system, but blatantly copying Android here.

Maybe they felt that a similar system offered the best end user experience... also - isn't actually just a legitimised version of the notif system that was already on iPhone for jailbreakers anyway?

Ishanx said,

Yeah, but a straight-out Android notification system rip-off?!
Apple should at least TRY and make something different. Apple is not being bashed for getting a notif system, but blatantly copying Android here.

I also suspect that you didn't bash Google/Microsoft for ripping off various Apple innovations or ideas on their cellphones? It's part of the life cycle of competition in the tech industry - sometimes someone does something right, and everyone else follows suite... Please get over yourself.

Wow, what a rant! I definitely agree with a lot of your points - namely that Apple is playing catch-up now, however since I got my iphone 4 the major problems I've had with it (notifications, lack of a hard camera button) have now been addressed. Whilst I don't think it's a particularly 'magical' or 'revolutionary' udpate, I do definitely think that it has refined iOS to a pretty untouchable place.

Having previously owned an android device and living in a house where one is still being used, I can honestly say that whilst android innovates, it really hasn't got the shine, stability and just sheer usability of iOS. Provided Apple keeps churning out a gradually improving os whilst adding great new features (icloud) I will be happy.

p.s I will admit the sheer fanboyism from the WWDC attendees did make me cringe. NOTIFICATIONS WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm just kinda confused wasnt their an app that was released for IOS a while back that got booted off the app store for allowing you to use the Volume button as a camera button? Isn't this the same kind of stuff that got MS in trouble in the 90's for taking seeing someones idea then saying they didn't like it then implementing the exact same feature? I feel like the mainstream media will never report on this type of thing because they are in love with Apple....

Alec Lunsford said,
I'm just kinda confused wasnt their an app that was released for IOS a while back that got booted off the app store for allowing you to use the Volume button as a camera button? Isn't this the same kind of stuff that got MS in trouble in the 90's for taking seeing someones idea then saying they didn't like it then implementing the exact same feature? I feel like the mainstream media will never report on this type of thing because they are in love with Apple....
It was booted because, at the time, repurposing hardware buttons of the device was against App Store guidelines. They might be forced to change that policy now, though.

I said this in the forums, and I'll say it again. The entire iOS 5 announcement was funny really... Not an original idea in the entire announcement. Just one rip after another (Whether it be from WP7, Android, Blackberry, etc.). It's very interesting to see Apple feeling like they have to play catchup so badly that they released NO OTHER FEATURES in a major release of their most popular OS... I think the announcement says more about the perceptions of their ability to compete in the mobile space than anything else honestly.

badsey said,
you sound anti-apple ... Android for WP7 fanboy ?

Typical. Because criticizing Apple automatically makes you anti-Apple and/or a fanboy of something else. Oh, the simple minds.

I got a Nokia X3-02 last month. I literally unpacked it, put my SIM card in and was sorted. Even downloaded an update over the air as well.
IT'S REVOLUTIONARY, PEOPLE.

AFineFrenzy said,
And I didn't say they said any of it was revolutionary.

and I assume that when you said: "IT'S REVOLUTIONARY, PEOPLE." in your last post you were being sarcastic?

WelshBluebird said,
Surely its the same for every company in every industry?
One company does something good, so the next company copies it. Etc etc.

With this one it's all magical, probably slapped with a patent or two, and costs twice as much magical $. So no, it isn't. /s

WelshBluebird said,
Surely its the same for every company in every industry?
One company does something good, so the next company copies it. Etc etc.

True. Yet no other company screams and cries louder than Apple when their competition (alledgedly) copies something of them. That is what annoys a lot of people, myself included. They're a bunch of the biggest hypocrites, it's astonishing. And don't get me started on the fanboys that defend them to ridiculous extent. They'll tout Apple as the true innovator no matter what, and (subconsciously probably) stick their head in the sand when Apple blatantly copies others, and call anyone that doesn't agree with them an Apple hater.

Just to be clear I am not an Apple hater, I own an iPad, as well as an Android phone.

k7of9 said,

True. Yet no other company screams and cries louder than Apple when their competition (alledgedly) copies something of them. That is what annoys a lot of people, myself included. They're a bunch of the biggest hypocrites, it's astonishing. And don't get me started on the fanboys that defend them to ridiculous extent. They'll tout Apple as the true innovator no matter what, and (subconsciously probably) stick their head in the sand when Apple blatantly copies others, and call anyone that doesn't agree with them an Apple hater.

Just to be clear I am not an Apple hater, I own an iPad, as well as an Android phone.

You have to realise that Android was heavilly based on iOS initially, and Google also innovated to make it better in some aspects. But the fact is Android and WP7 have been copying from iOS for years, and now the time has finally come where Apple needs to copy from the others in order to stay competitive. What's the big deal?

DomZ said,

You have to realise that Android was heavilly based on iOS initially, and Google also innovated to make it better in some aspects. But the fact is Android and WP7 have been copying from iOS for years, and now the time has finally come where Apple needs to copy from the others in order to stay competitive. What's the big deal?

You missed my point. The point is the hypocrisy of Apple complaining about others allegedly copying them. They can copy Android all they want as far as I'm concerned. But then they should also keep their arrogant mouth shut when they feel they are copied. Apple feels they should be able to copy others, but others can't copy them. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Besides, what is so blatantly copied by Android from iOS? The fact that they have a grid of icons on the homescreen too? Google innovates a hell of a lot more than Apple these days, in their mobile OS and the apps they publish for it and iOS.

External HDD said,
After using iPhone 3G for 3 years, I switched to HTC Desire HD and never looked back.

As have a lot of happy users.

External HDD said,
After using iPhone 3G for 3 years, I switched to HTC Desire HD and never looked back.

Too bad as an Android user you're left high and dry when it comes to official updates 6 months after the device has shipped.

Btw, I'm not an Apple fanboy - I have an iMac and MacBook Pro but prefer Windows Phone 7 device

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Too bad as an Android user you're left high and dry when it comes to official updates 6 months after the device has shipped.

While generally true, it doesn't necessarily matter to a lot of Android users. There are beautiful things like CyanogenMod out there. (Though, it does require some techy knowledge to get running)

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Too bad as an Android user you're left high and dry when it comes to official updates 6 months after the device has shipped.

Btw, I'm not an Apple fanboy - I have an iMac and MacBook Pro but prefer Windows Phone 7 device

How so? The Nexus One and Nexus S get updated frequently and HTC devices get updated now and then (e.g the original Desire is a year old but got updated recently)

Also as Draje said when a Android phone gets out of date you can use a Custom ROM which'll be bang up to date and be better than the original ROM. The original Android phones still get unofficial updates (inc gingerbread) even now when the original iphone users have been stuck with discontinued software for over a year

Have to say I was quite stunned at the whooping, hollering reception that the notification area got.. which Android has had (which you also pull and drag down from the top of the screen) for ages..

And syncing contacts and phone numbers, etc all to the cloud? What, like I already have with my Google account?

Have to say, starting to see why so many people are cynical of Apple.

Chicane-UK said,
And syncing contacts and phone numbers, etc all to the cloud? What, like I already have with my Google account?
MobileMe has been able to do this for a long time as well. iOS and OS X could also do this with Yahoo, Google, and Exchange accounts.

Remember that those features were only a third of iCloud.

Chicane-UK said,
Have to say I was quite stunned at the whooping, hollering reception that the notification area got.. which Android has had (which you also pull and drag down from the top of the screen) for ages..

And syncing contacts and phone numbers, etc all to the cloud? What, like I already have with my Google account?

Have to say, starting to see why so many people are cynical of Apple.

You have to keep in mind that this is an APPLE conference. Those are Apple fans in the audience. Do you watch the BlizzCon feeds and get 'stunned' when the fans there cheer for the new announcements, even if they already new what it was (WoW: Cataclysm, for example)? Of course not, because they are fans. Thats why these things are done this way. Google does the same thing at Google I/O. Those are fans and developers of Google.

bluefisch200 said,

Which is a MS technology

Which Apple implemented, the point was that it has been possible to sync contacts, mail and calendars on iOS since well the beginning really.

The new thing here being that Apple themselves will be providing a new syncing and cloud service that does all that and more.

The device backups to the cloud are pretty amazing, the rest of the mobiles OSes don't even have proper backups built in, they might have some app built in or from third part that takes some documents and such and throw on a sd card but none of them restores the a device to the exact same state, specially no as a built in feature and specially not trough a cloud service.

Leonick said,

The device backups to the cloud are pretty amazing, the rest of the mobiles OSes don't even have proper backups built in, they might have some app built in or from third part that takes some documents and such and throw on a sd card but none of them restores the a device to the exact same state, specially no as a built in feature and specially not trough a cloud service.

WebOS has had Cloud backups since the beginning. (that said, pretty much all of WebOS is "cloud" based)

DeKay said,

WebOS has had Cloud backups since the beginning. (that said, pretty much all of WebOS is "cloud" based)

WebOS has had practically everything before most of the smartphones. Multitasking, notifications, lock screen notifications, amazing interface, etc. Too bad it didn't catch on.

bluefisch200 said,
Which is a MS technology

Which can be licensed just as Apple has done.

What will be interesting is whether Microsoft supports iCloud in WP7 'Mango' that would be a real nice stab in the eye to Apple, "hey, want to use iCloud with your WP7 device? all power to you"

andrewbares said,

WebOS has had practically everything before most of the smartphones. Multitasking, notifications, lock screen notifications, amazing interface, etc. Too bad it didn't catch on.


I agree with this.

yeah, i was going to say the same thing about webos, its all there and has been there and has been their for a long time now. As soon as I am able to get an upgrade from verizon im dumping my android powered droidx and picking up the pre3. Going from webos to android was rough, all the features from webos that I thought were just common sense no brainers are not here, and it makes android hard to use.

episode said,

You have to keep in mind that this is an APPLE conference. Those are Apple fans in the audience.


Worse. A crapload of them are Apple employees. For years, Apple has spiked the crowd with people whose job is to cheer loudly, frequently, and in sync with each other.

It's a little creepy, but I've heard Apple isn't alone in doing this.

/spiking the line at a product launch is an annoying trick, though
//they're just cluttering sidewalks and ticking off people with places to go

No one can reasonably call any of the new iOS 5 features revolutionary, because they are simply copies of other mobile operating systems, or ideas that have already been thought up. No user can call the new features magical, because they aren't when you look briefly at Android or WP7. Apple can't pull the usual "it's slimmer, lighter and faster" to wow the market because nothing was slimmer, lighter or faster this time around.

I like this quote

+1

presence06 said,

I like this quote

+1

Except for that they didn't introduce any hardware, so thats the reason they can't make those kinds of claims. Its not like they introduced an iPhone 5 that was bigger and slower than the iPhone 1.

I've updated my iPhone 4 to iOS 5. Are the features 'awesome' or 'revolutionary'? No. But they are new iOS features that were sorely needed. And they work very well, even in beta (well, besides iCloud and Wi-Fi sync so far, but I digress, its only been a day.)

presence06 said,

I like this quote

+1

They seriously spent so much time talking about individual things, like notifications. I was like really? All that time for one feature and there are 10 more that they could have just briefly talked about and everyone would have gotten the idea. They talk to their audience at WWDC like they are children. However, if you were a child you could be amazed by their presentation. I saw a guy falling asleep lol.

wixostrix said,
They talk to their audience at WWDC like they are children. However, if you were a child you could be amazed by their presentation. I saw a guy falling asleep lol.

WWDC attendees (like myself) aren't the audience. The press and the wider public are. After the press goes away and the NDA kicks in, us developers get two more keynotes in the afternoon with all the cool developer stuff.

presence06 said,

I like this quote

+1

Even your comment deserves a +1.
Just classic Apple BS at work: "We invented everything, and made it revolutionary and magical." Meanwhile, companies/organizations like Xerox, Microsoft, Google, Fedora, GNOME, and Ubuntu just happened to have implemented these "revolutions" shortly before Apple did so.

Apple didn't say iOS 5 is revolutionary, nor magical or "it's slimmer, lighter and faster". They just introduced their software with the same cool glamor they did a thousand times before. People apple-polish Apple themselves. They're just cool.
I'm not a fanboy, but I do realize they have a great history of catching people's attention.
The article seems rancorous and juvenile. If they truly have something "magical" (marketing), then they call it magical. Why other companies can boost hyperbolical product features and Apple can't?

Edited by Luis Mazza, Jun 7 2011, 11:12pm :

Luis Mazza said,
Why other companies can boost product features with hyperboles and Apple can't?

It's not that, it's that Apple actually lies when they say that they are innovative or revolutionary, since other companies have actually done this with better integration before. The example is iOS 5's blantant rip-offs of WP7 and Android. It's just plain wrong to claim something as your innovation when you shamelessly copy from someone else. It's even worse when people say that companies like Microsoft and Google are copiers of Apple because of what Apple says, when it's really been the other way around in the past four years. That's why so many people have a problem with Apple spewing this false crap.

PlogCF said,

It's not that, it's that Apple actually lies when they say that they are innovative or revolutionary, since other companies have actually done this with better integration before. The example is iOS 5's blantant rip-offs of WP7 and Android. It's just plain wrong to claim something as your innovation when you shamelessly copy from someone else. It's even worse when people say that companies like Microsoft and Google are copiers of Apple because of what Apple says, when it's really been the other way around in the past four years. That's why so many people have a problem with Apple spewing this false crap.

But Apple did not officially stated "revolutionary" or things like that for iOS 5. Those were people's expectations. There is a difference between official marketing material and stuff that idiot costumers or fanboys from both sides spread around.

Luis Mazza said,

But Apple did not officially stated "revolutionary" or things like that for iOS 5. Those were people's expectations. There is a difference between official marketing material and stuff that idiot costumers or fanboys from both sides spread around.


You make a good point. Apple did not state that in the keynote, and it did seem to be assumed by bloggers of the event. However, I have this to show you:
http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/
Now, saying "lightyears ahead" kinda implies that they actually invented all of these rip-offs, don't you think?

Luis Mazza said,

But Apple did not officially stated "revolutionary" or things like that for iOS 5. Those were people's expectations. There is a difference between official marketing material and stuff that idiot costumers or fanboys from both sides spread around.

To quote their website: "With iOS 5, we've added over 200 new features taking a mobile operating system that was already years ahead of anything else and moving it even further ahead." That's Apples hyperbole for you. I would even call it blatant lying at this point. And because of that the article is right on the money.

Luis Mazza said,
Apple didn't say iOS 5 is revolutionary, nor magical or "it's slimmer, lighter and faster". They just introduced their software with the same cool glamor they did a thousand times before. People apple-polish Apple themselves. They're just cool.
I'm not a fanboy, but I do realize they have a great history of catching people's attention.
The article seems rancorous and juvenile. If they truly have something "magical" (marketing), then they call it magical. Why other companies can boost hyperbolical product features and Apple can't?

Yeahhh I think this editorial is way off base. Apple's just adding in some features, they're not claiming to be revolutionizing anything except their own operating system.

dr_crabman said,

To quote their website: "With iOS 5, we've added over 200 new features taking a mobile operating system that was already years ahead of anything else and moving it even further ahead." That's Apples hyperbole for you. I would even call it blatant lying at this point. And because of that the article is right on the money.

The iPhone was launched (pretty lonely) in 2007. Android came in 2009. So... I think two years is a long time in technology. The iPhone set up a new category for smartphones. So that is not after all a lie.
Marketing is always catchy. And they do it pretty well.

Luis Mazza said,
The iPhone was launched (pretty lonely) in 2007. Android came in 2009. So... I think two years is a long time in technology. The iPhone set up a new category for smartphones. So that is not after all a lie.
Marketing is always catchy. And they do it pretty well.

Now you're reaching and trying to twist the quote. Who's talking about 2007? Apple's clearly implying they're still years ahead and getting ahead further. But yeah, Apple's not bull****ting, just good marketing. And you're not a fanboy. Yeah.

dr_crabman said,

Now you're reaching and trying to twist the quote. Who's talking about 2007? Apple's clearly implying they're still years ahead and getting ahead further. But yeah, Apple's not bull****ting, just good marketing. And you're not a fanboy. Yeah.

I recently got a Macbook Pro and I had all iPhone models since it's launch (one year contract in Brazil and good deals on used hardware). But I have always hated the Mac. Actually I think Windows is way much better than Mac OS X. But I have used Windows since 3.1 and now I'm just tired. I'm not a fanboy... I just try to be fair and analytical.

dr_crabman said,
To quote their website: "With iOS 5, we've added over 200 new features taking a mobile operating system that was already years ahead of anything else and moving it even further ahead." That's Apples hyperbole for you. I would even call it blatant lying at this point. And because of that the article is right on the money.

If you're going to nit-pick this much why don't you go off and sue the local soap powdered for claiming that their products make whites whiter and colours brighter!

Jesus Toe Tapping Christ it is a real testament to Apple success when there are people like you really having to go to the extent you have simply to hate an organisation you secretly envy.

Luis Mazza said,

The iPhone was launched (pretty lonely) in 2007. Android came in 2009. So... I think two years is a long time in technology. The iPhone set up a new category for smartphones. So that is not after all a lie.
Marketing is always catchy. And they do it pretty well.

You are forgetting Windows Mobile, and other smartphones that were available when the iPhone was released. You are a perfect example of what people are trying to explain happens. When Apple does something or adds features, they call it revolutionary, ahead of every, magical or some other nonesense, add in some neuro-marketing based cons and everyone forgets that Apple was NOT the first, nor revolutionary, nor ahead.

Even take the original iPhone, it lacked common features found on free non-smartphones, like voice dialing, bluetooth featuers, gps features, etc. A free Samsung non-smart phone in 2006 that you could get for free from Walmart on a little company like Alltel at the time had all these features, and yet the 'amazing, magical, years ahead' iPhone did not.

The only thing Apple did well besides using neuro-marketing cons is quickly establishing a developer base and centralized App market, making the phone easy for users that were less technical to easily buy and download applications designed for the smartphone concepts.

As for the ORIGINAL iPhone being innovative, the only thing it had on a PHONE that was not 'common' on other devices was the multi-touch interface. PERIOD.

Windows Mobile had every features the original iPhone had and a lot more, but it was more for the technical and business users and tried to be too much like Windows instead of a phone first. However WinMo users were doing voice dialing, touch screens, bluetooth, Apps, custom Apps, stylus support with pressure sensitivity and handwriting recognition, and even had both network and onboard voice recognition.

Yet you and world seem to think Apple created the smartphone or 'revolutionized' it, when all they did was con you into thinking they did.

Get it?

presence06 said,

I like this quote

+1

Moreover, they look like they've copied Samsung Galaxy X ii icons. I smell another lawsuit from Samsung in the air.

^^^ Don't forget about BlackBerry too. They had all of those features before Apple did too. Nothing revolutionary there.

thenetavenger said,

You are forgetting Windows Mobile, and other smartphones that were available when the iPhone was released. You are a perfect example of what people are trying to explain happens. When Apple does something or adds features, they call it revolutionary, ahead of every, magical or some other nonesense, add in some neuro-marketing based cons and everyone forgets that Apple was NOT the first, nor revolutionary, nor ahead.

Even take the original iPhone, it lacked common features found on free non-smartphones, like voice dialing, bluetooth featuers, gps features, etc. A free Samsung non-smart phone in 2006 that you could get for free from Walmart on a little company like Alltel at the time had all these features, and yet the 'amazing, magical, years ahead' iPhone did not.

The only thing Apple did well besides using neuro-marketing cons is quickly establishing a developer base and centralized App market, making the phone easy for users that were less technical to easily buy and download applications designed for the smartphone concepts.

As for the ORIGINAL iPhone being innovative, the only thing it had on a PHONE that was not 'common' on other devices was the multi-touch interface. PERIOD.

Windows Mobile had every features the original iPhone had and a lot more, but it was more for the technical and business users and tried to be too much like Windows instead of a phone first. However WinMo users were doing voice dialing, touch screens, bluetooth, Apps, custom Apps, stylus support with pressure sensitivity and handwriting recognition, and even had both network and onboard voice recognition.

Yet you and world seem to think Apple created the smartphone or 'revolutionized' it, when all they did was con you into thinking they did.

Get it?

I agree about the fact that Windows WM gave, actually gives you, the ability to do so much that even today both IOS and WP7 cannot match it. I disagree about the fact that the iPhone did not " revolutionize" the way you interact with your device: multitouch, and the way Apple implemented it, was a game changer.
You might personally think it was not a great deal and I have no problems with that; a lot of people, and for a long time too, felt that using DOS was faster and more productive than using Windows OS in its early iterations, a lot of people prefer to use keystrokes instead of a mouse etc. etc.

Personal preferences are/should be what make each of us using what we use but when speaking in general terms it is undeniable that the mouse, Windows and, in its segment, the iPhone were " game changer.

Btw I do not use an iPhone: I tried it and I did not like it; I also tried a HTC HD7 and while I really like the UI there still too many things the new OS cannot do and therefore, for the time being, I reverted to my previous HD2 with Wm 6.5.3.

thenetavenger said,

You are forgetting Windows Mobile, and other smartphones that were available when the iPhone was released. You are a perfect example of what people are trying to explain happens. When Apple does something or adds features, they call it revolutionary, ahead of every, magical or some other nonesense, add in some neuro-marketing based cons and everyone forgets that Apple was NOT the first, nor revolutionary, nor ahead.

Even take the original iPhone, it lacked common features found on free non-smartphones, like voice dialing, bluetooth featuers, gps features, etc. A free Samsung non-smart phone in 2006 that you could get for free from Walmart on a little company like Alltel at the time had all these features, and yet the 'amazing, magical, years ahead' iPhone did not.

The only thing Apple did well besides using neuro-marketing cons is quickly establishing a developer base and centralized App market, making the phone easy for users that were less technical to easily buy and download applications designed for the smartphone concepts.

As for the ORIGINAL iPhone being innovative, the only thing it had on a PHONE that was not 'common' on other devices was the multi-touch interface. PERIOD.

Windows Mobile had every features the original iPhone had and a lot more, but it was more for the technical and business users and tried to be too much like Windows instead of a phone first. However WinMo users were doing voice dialing, touch screens, bluetooth, Apps, custom Apps, stylus support with pressure sensitivity and handwriting recognition, and even had both network and onboard voice recognition.

Yet you and world seem to think Apple created the smartphone or 'revolutionized' it, when all they did was con you into thinking they did.

Get it?


You forgot iPhone couldn't send pictures in messages. I think my second cellphone ever had that feature. Probably around 2002. Lmao lightyears ahead. All there ever had that won people over was their Playskool child-friendly interface. Features is what it lacked.

Invizibleyez said,

You forgot iPhone couldn't send pictures in messages. I think my second cellphone ever had that feature. Probably around 2002. Lmao lightyears ahead. All there ever had that won people over was their Playskool child-friendly interface. Features is what it lacked.

They build a new mobile OS from scratch so it was never going to be feature complete from the get go.

Did it revolutionize the mobile phone market? Yes. They introduced visual voicemail, full screen web browsing on a mobile (rememeber WAP sites?),lag free and accurate multitouch (as well as the interface elements to go with, such as swiping to unlock and all the other gestures. Would we have Android if it wasn't for the iPhone? Probably not. What about the App Store? It was inspired by jailbreakers but its also ended up changing the way people interact with their phones

Luis Mazza said,

The iPhone was launched (pretty lonely) in 2007. Android came in 2009. So... I think two years is a long time in technology. The iPhone set up a new category for smartphones. So that is not after all a lie.
Marketing is always catchy. And they do it pretty well.

Android was out in 2008 actually.

thenetavenger said,

You are forgetting Windows Mobile...

Get it?

Yes! How could I also forget the wheel, electricity and of course, DOS, Windows 3.1 and the gorgeous, revolutionary and easy to use Windows Mobile. They're truly revolutionary, not the iPhone... Because well... you and a bunch of idiot fanboys just want it to be like that. Grow up.