Lenovo teases Windows 8 (or Windows RT?) Yoga reveal

In January, Neowin got a chance to see a new laptop-notebook hybrid product from Lenovo called the IdeaPad Yoga that was running on Windows 8. Since then, the PC maker has announced plans to launch the Windows 8-based tablet, the ThinkPad Tablet 2, sometime in late October.

Now it looks like Lenovo is about to offer up some more information on the IdeaPad Yoga. A post on the company's Twitter page included an updated image of the Yoga with the statement, "It won't be long now. #Yoga #GameChanger."

Rumors are already swirling online that the IdeaPad Yoga will also be Lenovo's Windows RT launch product. The version of the Yoga that Neowin got to see in January was actually running on Windows 8 and on an Intel processor; a Windows RT version of the Yoga would have to be running on an ARM-based processor.

Lenovo has already said that its hardware will be able to compete with other Windows 8 products, including Microsoft's Surface tablet. Lenovo's CEO Yang Yuanqing stated earlier this month, "We are still confident that we are providing much better hardware than our competitors including Microsoft."

Source: Lenovo Twitter page | Image via Lenovo

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Wat Lenovo should do is bring back the IdeaPad UI that had the detacable screen. When attached it ran Windows, when detached it ran Android. Just make it so when attached it runs Windows 8 Pro, when detached it runs Windows 8 RT. Problem solved. When I need real IWndows Ihve an option and when I dont I don't.

Teason other Windows tablets failed is because they all basically used the reversible scren design, making them heavy and not very portable, orno more portable than a laptop. Why? Becaus eit is a laptop.

Microsoft stepped up the idea as having a single form factor device. Microsoft Wins! Fatality on the IdeaPad.

Its ment to have an i5/i7 series in the Yoga so how can it be an RT?

Lenovo wont release an RT version which looks like a laptop (considering most RT versionos are aimed at the 100% tablet space)

While ill admit this form factor of the hybrid tablet is the same convertables that have been out and failed on a consumer level, it was because the OS's at the time ( winXP, yes these convertable designs are that old ) were not supported by a touch friendly/heavy OS. This time the convertables may work as IMO Win8 is centered around touch controls.

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
While ill admit this form factor of the hybrid tablet is the same convertables that have been out and failed on a consumer level, it was because the OS's at the time ( winXP, yes these convertable designs are that old ) were not supported by a touch friendly/heavy OS. This time the convertables may work as IMO Win8 is centered around touch controls.

Possible... but I still don't see any real advantage to this type of tablet when the surface tabs are thinner, lighter, and have a full keyboard integrated in the cover

superconductive said,

Possible... but I still don't see any real advantage to this type of tablet when the surface tabs are thinner, lighter, and have a full keyboard integrated in the cover

This design makes it perfect to have on the chest when lying in the bed or sofa, I dont have to hold it or get some weird stand for it, I just flip the keyboard and there it stands. Awesome.
Im not sure how good the integrated Surface-stand is though.

Riva said,
Sorry Lenovo but the frame is massive and I hate holding the tablet and feeling keys at the back

You've held a tablet with keys on the back before?

I mean, I'm just assuming you have. Otherwise you would've said "I hate the idea of".

Tyler R. said,
I'm not too fond of the keyboard being on the outside. I'd look stupid and be hard to hold...

It's either that, or have a rotating hinge for the screen.... or have a completely separate keyboard that you remove when not in use. But then you lose space for placement of components.

superconductive said,
Uhh.. Aren't these the tablet forms that pc makers had gotten wrong all these years?
Why are we taking a step backwards...

Because we like options. Not every tablet needs to have a slate form factor.

superconductive said,
Uhh.. Aren't these the tablet forms that pc makers had gotten wrong all these years?
Why are we taking a step backwards...

Your comment is a step backwards

superconductive said,

Oh really is it? I have the data to prove it:
http://tabtimes.com/news/ittec...rowing-10x-faster-notebooks
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/20...+%28FORTUNE%3A+Apple+2.0%29

Now why don't you show me some proof that swivel tablets have been successful. I'm dying to hear from you...
Yea that's what I thought chump


Couple things here.

1) Your 'data' doesn't address PmRd's comment at all. Mostly because PmRd didn't assert anything about the market for you to disprove. He just implied your comment was wrong.

2) It is. For the most part. Your 'data', if anything, shows demand for a product, not because it isn't a swivel or convertible design, but because it's lightweight (something convertibles may eventually be), unobtrusive (likewise), and comes with software optimized for the form factor. That last part is important, because it's the real reason analysts claim the tablet PC market has been a failure for the last 10+ years. The form factors are useless without the right software. That is what Windows RT is supposed to be trying to address.

3) Ending your comment with a personal attack means you give up the right to the high road. Regardless of what your 'data' may have shown, you come across as the aggressor and, by extension, the bad guy. As a result, you change no minds, and your post serves, essentially, no purpose but to fuel your critics.

superconductive said,

Oh really is it? I have the data to prove it:
http://tabtimes.com/news/ittec...rowing-10x-faster-notebooks
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/20...+%28FORTUNE%3A+Apple+2.0%29

Now why don't you show me some proof that swivel tablets have been successful. I'm dying to hear from you...
Yea that's what I thought chump


you could easily argue that the problem with the previous Windows tablets wasn't the hardware at all - it was just that the software wasn't touch-friendly.

Where did you get the idea that only good hardware sells, and that nobody gives a sh** about good software design, marketing, or app stores?

Joshie said,

Couple things here.

1) Your 'data' doesn't address PmRd's comment at all. Mostly because PmRd didn't assert anything about the market for you to disprove. He just implied your comment was wrong.

2) It is. For the most part. Your 'data', if anything, shows demand for a product, not because it isn't a swivel or convertible design, but because it's lightweight (something convertibles may eventually be), unobtrusive (likewise), and comes with software optimized for the form factor. That last part is important, because it's the real reason analysts claim the tablet PC market has been a failure for the last 10+ years. The form factors are useless without the right software. That is what Windows RT is supposed to be trying to address.

3) Ending your comment with a personal attack means you give up the right to the high road. Regardless of what your 'data' may have shown, you come across as the aggressor and, by extension, the bad guy. As a result, you change no minds, and your post serves, essentially, no purpose but to fuel your critics.

1) My post DOES address that exact issue. It's pretty simple. I made a statement suggesting that convertible tabs were not successful. As it turns out, they weren't-- they were never widely adopted. Tablets were only popularized when iPad came out, I don't think anyone can refute that. So to go back and create old tablet form factors that we know for a fact were not successful may not be the smartest thing to do in my opinion. But that's only my opinion- since the difference today is that Windows 8 may in fact change the gameplace.

2) My data shows existing tablet ownership / marketshare. This is well past the demand phase and speaks for itself, no matter what the reason you listed. I'm going to spare myself from showing you more information that proves slates are for the most part the winner, because both you know and I know it's true.

3) I can admit my comment was a little charged in response that relatively rude initial reply, but it doesn't make it any less credible. You, however, are coming off as preachy which I feel defeats your purpose to some extent.

There's nothing to win until there's a contest in the first place.

We can say laptops are the "winner" in desktop computing because they share the same OS and app experience as a full workstation and sell as the dominant form factor.

All that can be said of slates is that they're the ONLY tablet form factor. What won was the touch-centric OS. You simply cannot say whether the slate form factor 'won' until you see touch-centric OSes on other form factors. Indeed, the only way to be TRULY sure that the slate form factor is number one is if Apple themselves released an iPad in each of the competing styles. What would sell best? A swivel iPad? A yoga-style iPad? A transformer-style iPad? A slate iPad?

Put all of them, with access to the same ecosystem, and the same OS, on the market side-by-side, and see what sells best. Until that is done, you cannot logically declare slate the winner from a purely form factor perspective.

This is standard experimental methodology here. When two possible values for a variable exist, the only way to determine which value is better is to keep ALL OTHER VALUES CONSTANT and test.

superconductive said,

Oh really is it? I have the data to prove it:
http://tabtimes.com/news/ittec...rowing-10x-faster-notebooks
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/20...+%28FORTUNE%3A+Apple+2.0%29

Now why don't you show me some proof that swivel tablets have been successful. I'm dying to hear from you...
Yea that's what I thought chump


I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make? If it's that success and failure is dictated by form factor and nothing else then how do you explain a decade+ of failed slate style tablets prior to the iPad (including Apple's own attempt in the 90's)?

Obviously there was more to the failed attempts at creating a tablet industry than merely choosing the wrong form factor.

superconductive said,

Oh really is it? I have the data to prove it:
http://tabtimes.com/news/ittec...rowing-10x-faster-notebooks
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/20...+%28FORTUNE%3A+Apple+2.0%29

Now why don't you show me some proof that swivel tablets have been successful. I'm dying to hear from you...
Yea that's what I thought chump


posted the same comment before Isaw yours.
Of course you do have to consider the following. The Windows XP Tablet UI didn't force application devs to make apps to work with the concept, thus adding to the fail. Since Windows 8 is forcing touchbased apps, this time it could be different just a bit.

I think the single form factor is the winning concept, but many will still want the flip design. But Isee thewm as being that lower 25%. The Surface is going to kill this ideaPad.

HP is also working on asingle form factor options as is Sony, Asus, Samsung and others. Even within their own brands, they sFF will sell more vs the laptop like design. Just watch.

I am 100% on your side.

geoken said,


I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make? If it's that success and failure is dictated by form factor and nothing else then how do you explain a decade+ of failed slate style tablets prior to the iPad (including Apple's own attempt in the 90's)?

Obviously there was more to the failed attempts at creating a tablet industry than merely choosing the wrong form factor.


The fact that the SFF was chosen is a valid point. I also agree with you that you do have to consider that the Windows of then is not like the Windows designed for touchscreens today.

However even in desktop, you can see that the Dell SFF versions of its full case siblings, the SFF won where both computers run the exact same software.

Whenit comes to mobile deices liek laptops, smaller is better. The biggest issue with the older tablets is a lptop that weights 5lbs isn't better just because you can flip the screen around, it still weighted 5 lbs. Even if the laptops get lighter, lighter isn't exactly the point.

Since the device is touch centric, you dont need a physical keyboard. Microsoft actually has the betetr option. You can carry a keybaord only if you WANTto, not being forced to with the above design. You have the option to carry a keyboard if you think you need it, but you dont have to have one at all.

Single form factor no matter how then they make a full laptop, will NEVER ne lighter than a single form tab;et...EVER. The attached keyboard add weight and thickness.

The Asus Ep101 sold in big numbers dispite it isnt running a full touch U operating system. Why? Because the form factor is a betetr design...PERIOD. A fact si a fact even if you dont liek ho it is presented.

You argument is reasonable because you do have to consider the software certainly needs to bring out the best in hardware. However the biggest attraction to the iPad is its form factor frst and software last. When the iPad is turn off you dont have the software staring you in the face. What you see first is the slim form factor whih is very good eye candy even before you trun it on and use the software. The sofwtare then adds to the appeal.

He never claimed sofwtare didnt matter, he focused on the fact the single form factor makes the iPad a hot seller. It does!