Nokia: We have a backup if Windows Phone doesn't work out

Is Nokia planning ahead in case its upcoming Windows Phone 8 plans don't work out? That appears to be what the company's new chairman Risto Siilasmaa said earlier this week. The YLE.fi website reports that Siilasmaa made an appearance on a Finland-based TV talk show and said that the company in fact has a "contingency plan" in case their Windows Phone 8 products don't sell as anticipated.

While Siilasmaa, who became the company's chairman in May, added that he was sure that Windows Phone 8 would be a success for Nokia, one has to wonder why he would mention any sort of backup plan in public. Whatever that plan might be, it does not sound like it will involve Symbian, which is Nokia's in-house operating system and was its major OS until the Windows Phone deal was announced. Siilasmaa said, "Symbian’s market share has come down close to zero."

The story also points out what we have reported before: That Nokia's stock price has plummeted down to new lows. In June the company announced plans to cut 10,000 more workers as well as a shake up in its executive ranks. One of the changes put Chris Weber, formerly the head of Nokia's US operations, as its new executive vice president of sales and marketing.

Source. YLE.fi.com website

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Auzeras said,
I hope they make some decent WP and some droids, WP is so great.

Would be cool of they had the same hardware for WP8/Droid

like what samsung does? nothing is less cool.

Nokia only has 3 options right now.

1. Go with Android.
2. Go with Symbian
3. Wait for death just like RIM.

It's that simple and if *Lumia* is so called *popular* how come they can't even beat Samsung Galaxy S2 launch?

Chica Ami said,
Nokia only has 3 options right now.

1. Go with Android.
2. Go with Symbian
3. Wait for death just like RIM.

It's that simple and if *Lumia* is so called *popular* how come they can't even beat Samsung Galaxy S2 launch?

4) windows phone 8 and kick some android's ass.

neonspark said,

4) windows phone 8 and kick some android's ass.

Mango was supposed to shake things up.
Then it was Tango that was going to turn the tables.
Now it's WP8.

The target keeps moving.

ichi said,

Mango was supposed to shake things up.
Then it was Tango that was going to turn the tables.
Now it's WP8.

The target keeps moving.

Mango got people talking about Windows Phone. It got a lot of favorable press. It boosted the ecosystem considerably. I'm not sure what your definition of "shake things up" is, though.
Tango, a minor update, was never supposed to "turn the tables." Anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
Apollo (WP8) is the one that's supposed to do that. No target has been moved.

Enron said,
Mango got people talking about Windows Phone. It got a lot of favorable press. It boosted the ecosystem considerably. I'm not sure what your definition of "shake things up" is, though.

Something like getting enough people to buy the devices to get WP out of the single digit marketshare, or at the very least get out of the last place in the ranking.

Or sell more than a dead-on-arrival device like the N9.

Enron said,

Tango, a minor update, was never supposed to "turn the tables." Anyone telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
Apollo (WP8) is the one that's supposed to do that. No target has been moved.

Going by the comments of WP7 enthusiasts on this very forum (you know, the resident evangelists) Tango was supposed to skyrocket WP7's marketshare, an update that would fix all the things that made people not want those devices.

Here we are, one year later and there's no actively developed smartphone OS that sells less than WP.

Maybe WP8 will change that, but it could also be a Tango all over again.

Chica Ami said,
Nokia only has 3 options right now.

1. Go with Android die instantly.
2. Go with Symbian and eventually die like RIM
3. Wait for WP8, get out some killer phones and get to the top again.


Corrected that for you

Why does everyone keep saying Android or Tizen or some other ridiculous option when the answer is right there in front of everyone?

Meego. They did it on the N9, it was a joy to use and worked extremely well. All reviewers agreed that it was one of the most enjoyable mobile operating systems to work with, the only problem was that it was sort of abandoned since Nokia said they wouldn't be releasing any more phones with Meego.

But, it wasn't abandoned. Nokia is keeping it as a backup plan. The Nokia N9 has continued to receive updates adding functionality and features to Meego. Why in the world would Nokia do that to a handset that wasn't successful and an OS that's going nowhere? The simple answer is just that it is Nokia's backup plan. When things get really bad they're able to go Meego whenever they want to. If it's done right it could be a seriously successful OS. I've tried it too, and it really is amazing to use and the first OS with actual proper multitasking.

The Windows Phone plan came after the plans for Meego. Meego was Nokia's big smartphone plan until Microsoft paid them to go with Windows Phone. It's there right in front of your eyes. The Lumia 800 shares most of the internals and the complete design with the Nokia N9. It was made to run Meego and it was supposed to be Nokia's flagship. When Microsoft came in with their plans Nokia took the N9, changed some small things and released it with Windows Phone, while reducing the production of the N9 as much as possible and only releasing it in a limited group of countries.

Ambroos said,
Why does everyone keep saying Android or Tizen or some other ridiculous option when the answer is right there in front of everyone?

Meego. They did it on the N9, it was a joy to use and worked extremely well. All reviewers agreed that it was one of the most enjoyable mobile operating systems to work with, the only problem was that it was sort of abandoned since Nokia said they wouldn't be releasing any more phones with Meego.

But, it wasn't abandoned. Nokia is keeping it as a backup plan. The Nokia N9 has continued to receive updates adding functionality and features to Meego. Why in the world would Nokia do that to a handset that wasn't successful and an OS that's going nowhere? The simple answer is just that it is Nokia's backup plan. When things get really bad they're able to go Meego whenever they want to. If it's done right it could be a seriously successful OS. I've tried it too, and it really is amazing to use and the first OS with actual proper multitasking.

The Windows Phone plan came after the plans for Meego. Meego was Nokia's big smartphone plan until Microsoft paid them to go with Windows Phone. It's there right in front of your eyes. The Lumia 800 shares most of the internals and the complete design with the Nokia N9. It was made to run Meego and it was supposed to be Nokia's flagship. When Microsoft came in with their plans Nokia took the N9, changed some small things and released it with Windows Phone, while reducing the production of the N9 as much as possible and only releasing it in a limited group of countries.

Meego would be interesting. specially if they can lure samsung over who is not pleased with android and wants to control it's own destiny. getting rid of google and microsoft would be the best thing that these OEMs could do. Just offer app compatibility and let google and motorolla fend off windows phone 8 and iOS while they do their own gig.

Ambroos said,
Why does everyone keep saying Android or Tizen or some other ridiculous option when the answer is right there in front of everyone?

Meego. They did it on the N9, it was a joy to use and worked extremely well. All reviewers agreed that it was one of the most enjoyable mobile operating systems to work with, the only problem was that it was sort of abandoned since Nokia said they wouldn't be releasing any more phones with Meego.

But, it wasn't abandoned. Nokia is keeping it as a backup plan. The Nokia N9 has continued to receive updates adding functionality and features to Meego. Why in the world would Nokia do that to a handset that wasn't successful and an OS that's going nowhere? The simple answer is just that it is Nokia's backup plan. When things get really bad they're able to go Meego whenever they want to. If it's done right it could be a seriously successful OS. I've tried it too, and it really is amazing to use and the first OS with actual proper multitasking.

The Windows Phone plan came after the plans for Meego. Meego was Nokia's big smartphone plan until Microsoft paid them to go with Windows Phone. It's there right in front of your eyes. The Lumia 800 shares most of the internals and the complete design with the Nokia N9. It was made to run Meego and it was supposed to be Nokia's flagship. When Microsoft came in with their plans Nokia took the N9, changed some small things and released it with Windows Phone, while reducing the production of the N9 as much as possible and only releasing it in a limited group of countries.


I thought they partnered with/gave it to Intel, who then discontinued it to work on Tizen? If they go with another in-house OS it's either going to be a highly-customized version of Android, a new version of Symbian, or Tizen, AFAICT.

neonspark said,

Meego would be interesting. specially if they can lure samsung over who is not pleased with android

Cough, cough......... Bada marketshare is bigger than WP....... Nokia goes Meego, Samsung goes Bada and Apple goes IOS............ cough, cough

Matthew_Thepc said,

I thought they partnered with/gave it to Intel, who then discontinued it to work on Tizen? If they go with another in-house OS it's either going to be a highly-customized version of Android, a new version of Symbian, or Tizen, AFAICT.

Meego yes, but what Nokia released with the N9 was actually Maemo, which was their own in-house OS.

ichi said,

Meego yes, but what Nokia released with the N9 was actually Maemo, which was their own in-house OS.


Nope, the N9 was released with Meego Harmattan. The N900 (which is quite a bit older) ran Maemo.

Ambroos said,

Nope, the N9 was released with Meego Harmattan. The N900 (which is quite a bit older) ran Maemo.

Meego Harmattan is not the same as Intel's Meego, it's Maemo6 with sort of a Meego compatibility layer.

it's a loose-loose situation. judging by nokia's track records for the past couple of years. their best backup plan is unlikely to cut it. if they do have a brilliant backup plan, they wouldn't be fornicating with microsoft on top.

Is it not time to invoke the backup plan? I bet they are working on it behind the scenes right now. They must be.

If they have a backup plan I don't know what they hell they are waiting for before executing it.

Even if WP8 turned out to be a success they'll still be burning their cash reserves this whole year at the very least.

And then again if WP8 succeeds they can count on not being the only player. Every other OEM is releasing half assed WP7 devices out of lack of interest in the platform, but that would change if WP8 actually sells: Samsung could take the WP8 market by storm as they did with Android and Nokia would die anyway (and Microsoft wouldn't care).

WP DOES NOT work, it's a proven fact, judging by the market share it has almost two years after launch. WP8 will change little, as is more or less a tweaked WP 7.5. So my recommendation is start rolling the backup plan = Meego.

You had a winner in N9, but abandoned it right before the launch. Dumba$$es.

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